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Would you mind sharing what specific columns/categories you included in your LLC chart? I'm trying to create something similar for a presentation to small business owners and want to make sure I'm covering all the important differences between the various LLC tax classifications.
Happy to share! My chart includes: 1. Tax form(s) required for each classification 2. Self-employment/payroll tax implications 3. Deductibility of health insurance premiums 4. Retirement plan options 5. Pass-through taxation vs. entity-level taxation 6. Ownership restrictions 7. Tax year requirements 8. Reasonable compensation requirements (for S-Corps) 9. Fringe benefits availability 10. Loss limitation rules I also added a column for state-specific considerations since some states have additional taxes or requirements for certain LLC classifications.
Did you include anything about QBI (Qualified Business Income) deduction differences? That's a huge factor for choosing between classifications now with the 20% deduction for pass-through entities!
Has anyone tried using the IRS's online resources for understanding LLC tax classifications? I've been looking at their website and it seems completely unhelpful compared to user-created charts and tools.
The IRS website is practically useless for this! I spent hours digging through their publications and still couldn't figure out if I should elect S-Corp status. Publication 3402 is supposedly about LLCs but barely scratches the surface of what business owners actually need to know. User-created resources like the OP's chart are way more practical.
I've found the IRS Tax Information For Partnerships publication (#541) and Tax Information For Corporations (#542) to be somewhat helpful, but you have to read them together to get the full picture for LLCs. They're not designed for comparing options side-by-side like a chart would be. The problem is they're written for tax professionals, not regular business owners.
I'm gonna offer a different perspective - I've used both FreeTaxUSA and Credit Karma Tax (now called Cash App Taxes) and found Cash App Taxes slightly easier for beginners. BOTH are free for federal AND state, but FreeTaxUSA charges for state while Cash App is totally free for both. The interfaces are similar but Cash App felt a bit more modern and easier to navigate.
Do you know if Cash App Taxes handles education credits well? My 1098-T has some scholarship money listed on it too and I'm not sure how that affects things.
Cash App Taxes definitely handles education credits well! It walks you through determining which education credit (American Opportunity or Lifetime Learning) is best for you based on your situation. For scholarships on your 1098-T, it will guide you through which portions might be taxable vs. non-taxable depending on what the money was used for (tuition vs. room and board, etc.). The interface asks clear questions to help sort this out - much more straightforward than you'd expect. Their help articles explain things in simple terms too if you get confused at any point.
Just throwing this out there - if your income is under $73,000 you can use the IRS Free File program to access premium tax software for FREE. It's actually the full versions of TurboTax, H&R Block etc. but through a special portal. Search "IRS Free File" and it'll take you to the official page where you can choose which software you want. Might save you some $$.
This! I used this last year and got TurboTax completely free. They hide this option when you go directly to their websites.
Exactly! These companies deliberately hide their free offerings that they're required to provide through the IRS Free File program. It's called "dark patterns" in website design - they make the truly free versions hard to find if you go directly to their sites, then trick you into their paid versions. Always start at the official IRS Free File page (irs.gov/freefile) and click through from there. That way you're guaranteed to get the truly free version if you qualify based on income. Saved me $80 last year for essentially the same exact service.
Just a quick tip - if you filed with TurboTax, H&R Block, TaxAct or any of the major tax software companies in 2020, try logging into your account on their website. Most of them keep your returns on file for at least 3-7 years, and you can just download your old return to find your AGI. Saved me from having to deal with the IRS directly!
Do you know if this works if you used the free version? I always use different free services each year depending on which one will let me file for free, so I'm not sure if they save returns for the free users.
Yes, it generally works even with the free versions! I've used the free version of TurboTax for years, and they still save all my returns. The only difference is how long they store them - some free versions might only keep them for 3 years while paid versions might store them for 7+ years. Even if you used different services, it's worth checking all of them. Just make sure you're logging in with the same email you used when you filed in 2020. Sometimes people forget which email they used for tax services.
Another option - try entering $0 as your AGI if you're filing electronically for the first time or if you didn't file last year. The IRS sometimes accepts this as a workaround for people who can't access their previous returns.
This worked for me! My return kept getting rejected and I was panicking. Tried the $0 AGI trick and it went through immediately. Thanks for the tip!
Just a quick heads up - even if you don't legally NEED to file, sometimes it's beneficial anyway. Not only to get withholding back like others mentioned, but also because some tax credits are refundable, meaning you could get money even if you don't owe taxes. The Earned Income Credit might apply depending on your situation.
Are there any downsides to filing when you don't have to? Like does it trigger any extra scrutiny or anything?
There are really no downsides to filing when not required. It doesn't trigger extra scrutiny or increase your audit risk. The IRS actually appreciates voluntary compliance. Filing an unnecessary return might be a slight inconvenience, but many tax software options are free for simple returns with low income. Plus, getting in the habit of filing annually helps you understand the process better for when you do have more complex tax situations in the future.
Quick q - I'm in a similar boat but I also had like $200 in crypto gains. Does that change anything about needing to file?
GalacticGuardian
If you want something that will really engage people, do a presentation on tax subsidies for stadiums and sports venues. I did this for my tax policy class and it was a hit. You can cover: - How the tax-exempt municipal bond financing works - The economic studies showing these are usually bad investments for cities - The politics behind these deals (always juicy) - Case studies of successful vs. failed projects - Recent changes from the 2017 TCJA that limited some of these subsidies Tons of research available, and everybody has opinions about their local teams and whether taxpayers should subsidize billionaire owners. Great for generating discussion!
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Dmitry Smirnov
ā¢Did you find good quantitative sources for this? I'm interested in the topic but worried it might be too anecdotal without solid numbers to support the analysis.
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GalacticGuardian
ā¢Yes, there's excellent quantitative research available! The Brookings Institution has published several data-driven studies on stadium financing and economic impacts. There's also a comprehensive paper from the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis that analyzes dozens of stadium projects with detailed financial metrics. For your presentation, I'd recommend using the Congressional Research Service report that breaks down the tax subsidy costs at the federal level - it has great charts showing the effective taxpayer contribution to various stadiums built in the last 20 years. These sources provide plenty of hard numbers to support the policy analysis.
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Ava Rodriguez
For a law school presentation, I'd strongly recommend focusing on recent Treasury regulations implementing a major tax provision - like the TCJA's Global Intangible Low-Taxed Income (GILTI) provisions or the Qualified Business Income deduction.
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Miguel Diaz
ā¢GILTI is interesting but might be too complex for a student presentation unless you're already familiar with international tax. QBI might be more accessible if you're not a tax specialist.
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