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Another thing to consider is that you'll need to file Schedule SE for the self-employment tax on your 1099 income. That's an additional 15.3% on top of your regular income tax (though you do get to deduct half of that). Make sure your extra withholding is covering both the income tax AND self-employment tax!
Thanks for the reminder about Schedule SE! I actually did factor that in when I increased my withholding. I calculated roughly what I'd owe for both income tax and self-employment tax on the $18,500 and that's how I came up with the $320 per paycheck increase. Do you know if there's an easy way to check if I'm on track to meet the safe harbor requirement? I'm still a bit nervous about whether I've withheld enough.
You can use the IRS Withholding Estimator on their website. It will let you input both your W2 income/withholding and your 1099 income, then tell you if you're on track. Another simple approach is to look at your last paystub from 2024 and add up the federal withholding. Then add what you expect to have withheld for the rest of 2025 based on your current withholding rate. If that total is at least $16,300 (your tax from last year), you'll meet the safe harbor requirement.
This whole quarterly estimated payment system is such a pain. I've been doing contract work for years and I just massively overwithhold from my W2 job so I don't have to deal with quarterly payments. My accountant says it's like giving the government an interest-free loan but honestly the peace of mind is worth it lol. Better than stressing about penalties.
I attended Magnify Your Wealth last year and deducted the whole thing without issues. One piece of advice - make sure to keep the conference agenda/program that shows the business nature of the sessions. Also, if you're traveling out of town, remember you can deduct transportation, lodging, and 50% of meals while away from home. The other thing I did was take detailed notes about how each session applied to my business. This created a paper trail showing the business purpose. I even took photos of myself at the different business sessions as additional proof I was actually attending the conference for business purposes.
Do you know if there's a limit to how many conferences you can attend and deduct each year? I've gone to like 4 already this year and wondering if that looks suspicious.
There's no specific limit on the number of conferences you can attend and deduct. The key test is whether they're "ordinary and necessary" for your business. If you can justify why each conference provides value to your specific business operations, then multiple conferences can be legitimate. However, if the conferences all cover very similar content, or if some seem only tangentially related to your business, that might raise questions. The IRS might look more closely if the pattern suggests the conferences are primarily for personal enjoyment rather than business development. Quality documentation of the business purpose for each one becomes even more important when you attend multiple events.
Quick question guys - if I bring my spouse along to the conference (they're not involved in my business), obviously their expenses aren't deductible, right? But do I need to somehow split shared expenses like the hotel room?
Yes, you'd need to allocate. If you would have gotten a single hotel room anyway, you can deduct the full room cost. But their flight, their meals, and any increase in room cost for double occupancy wouldn't be deductible.
Something nobody mentioned yet - even if you don't HAVE to file because your income is below the threshold, you might WANT to file if you had any taxes withheld from your paychecks. Check your W-2 form box 2 to see if you had any federal income tax withheld. If you did, filing would get that money refunded to you! Also if you're eligible for refundable credits like the Earned Income Credit, you could actually get more money back than was withheld.
What's the difference between refundable and non-refundable credits? And can you really get more money back than you paid in taxes??
A refundable credit means you can receive the full amount of the credit even if it's more than what you owe in taxes. So yes, you can absolutely get back more money than you paid in! For example, the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) is refundable, so even if you owe zero taxes, you could still get money back if you qualify. Non-refundable credits can only reduce your tax liability to zero, but not below zero. So if you have $500 in tax liability and a $1,000 non-refundable credit, your tax bill goes to $0, but you don't get the extra $500 back.
this whole thread has me confused even more lol. so if i make $5,000 i dont pay taxes but if i make $20,000 i only pay taxes on the amount over the standard deduction???? the government makes this way too complicated on purpose i swear
Yes, that's exactly right! If you make $5,000, you'd take the standard deduction (about $14,600 for 2025) and your taxable income would be $0. If you make $20,000, you'd take the same standard deduction and only pay taxes on $5,400 ($20,000 - $14,600). It definitely can seem complicated, but the standard deduction actually simplifies things by ensuring people with lower incomes don't have to pay income tax. Think of it as the government saying "everyone gets their first $14,600 tax-free.
Don't forget about business licenses and permits! Depending on your state/city, you might need a business license even as a minor. My kid got hit with a fine because we didn't realize he needed a business license for his online store. Also, some cities have "teen business" programs with special permits for underage entrepreneurs.
That's interesting! What state are you in? We're in Texas and my daughter sells art online too, but we never got any kind of business license. Now I'm worried we're breaking some rule...
One more thing to consider - if you're earning that much at 14, you might want to look into opening a Roth IRA! You can contribute earned income (like your Patreon money) up to the annual limit or the total amount you earned, whichever is less. Starting retirement savings at your age would be AMAZING for long-term growth. Your parents would need to help set this up as a custodial account, but it's a fantastic way to start building wealth while getting tax advantages. Plus, you can actually withdraw your contributions (not the earnings) penalty-free if you need them for something like college.
Wow, I didn't know you could open retirement accounts as a teenager! That's actually really cool to think about. I'll definitely talk to my parents about this too. Thanks for the suggestion!
CaptainAwesome
Has anyone used the IRS Direct File system for filing extensions? I heard they launched something new this year but not sure if it works for business extensions or just personal ones.
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Yuki Tanaka
โขDirect File is only for simple personal returns right now, not for business returns or extensions. For your 7004, you'll need to either use commercial tax software, have your accountant e-file it, or mail in a paper form. I've been using FreeTaxUSA for my S Corp returns for years - they handle the 7004 extension filing too and it's pretty straightforward.
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CaptainAwesome
โขThanks for clarifying! I'll stick with my regular tax software then. Wish the IRS would expand these services to small businesses too.
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Esmeralda Gรณmez
Is anyone else confused about COVID tax rules for S Corps? I feel like they keep changing and I don't know if any of the special provisions still apply for 2025 filing season.
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Fatima Al-Rashid
โขMost COVID-related tax provisions have expired now. For the 2025 filing season (2024 tax year), things have largely returned to pre-pandemic rules. Employee Retention Credits ended, PPP loan forgiveness is old news, and the special sick leave credits are gone. The only lingering effects might be if you're still carrying losses forward from the pandemic years, but the special expanded rules for those have mostly reverted to normal too.
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