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Former bank employee here. In my experience, what often happens is that banks "write off" debts internally but keep them on secondary collection systems or sell them to debt buyers. Then years later when they finally give up completely or hit some internal deadline, they issue the 1099-C. Document everything! Request your credit reports from 2008-2009 which might show when the account was charged off. Also, pull your IRS wage and income transcripts for those years to make sure they didn't already issue a 1099-C back then that maybe you missed. If you were truly insolvent in 2008 (which means your total debts exceeded your total assets), you probably wouldn't have owed tax even if they had properly issued the 1099-C then. Form 982 is your friend!
Thanks for this insight! I actually did pull my credit reports and they show the account was charged off in August 2008. Would bank statements showing they stopped attempting withdrawals in July 2008 also help my case? And how exactly do I file Form 982 for a tax year that's so far in the past?
Those bank statements from 2008 showing when they stopped attempting withdrawals would be EXCELLENT evidence! Keep those safe. And you don't need to file Form 982 for 2008 now - that's long past the statute of limitations. What you want to do is file Form 8082 with your current return explaining the inconsistency - that this debt was actually discharged in 2008 based on your documentation, not 2025. Then if you were insolvent at the time (in 2008), you can include Form 982 with your CURRENT return to show that even if the income was recognizable now (which it isn't), you would have qualified for the insolvency exclusion anyway. It's like a double layer of protection.
Chrysler Financial doesn't even exist anymore! They went bankrupt in 2009 and their assets were acquired by TD Auto Finance. So whoever sent you that 1099-C is probably some debt buyer who got your old account in a portfolio purchase. I'd definitely dispute this. I work in collections (yeah I know, everyone's favorite person) and we are required to issue 1099-Cs for the year in which we make the decision to stop collection activity, not years later when some database gets updated.
So who would he even contact at this point? TD Auto Finance for a debt that's 17 years old? Seems like a nightmare to track down.
this happened to my brother last year and he ended up getting a notice from the irs about 2 weeks later saying the payment didnt go thru. they gave him like 10 days to fix it before penalties kicked in. make sure ur checking ur mail everyday!!
Do you know if he got the notice by email or regular mail? I'm moving soon and worried I might miss something important from the IRS.
definitely regular mail. the irs almost never emails people (usually its a scam if you get an email claiming to be irs). my brother said the letter was pretty clear and gave him options for how to pay. just keep an eye on your mailbox! if ur moving make sure u fill out a change of address form with the irs - they have a specific form for it called 8822 i think. regular post office forwarding doesnt always work for irs stuff.
Make a payment through DirectPay NOW!!! I had this exact thing happen to me in 2021 and thought I'd just wait for the rejection notice. Big mistake. The incorrect bank account happened to be a valid account (just not mine) and the payment "went through" but then was returned a week later. By then I was past the deadline and got hit with penalties.
Don't overlook state-level implications too. I'm a personal trainer who competes in fitness competitions, and while I worked out the federal side of deducting competition expenses as business marketing, my state had different rules. Make sure you're considering both!
Good point! Did you find that you needed different documentation for state vs federal? My state seems even pickier than the IRS about business/hobby distinctions.
Yes, I definitely needed more specific documentation for my state return. My state required me to show a more direct connection between competition participation and actual business revenue. I had to keep a log of new clients who mentioned seeing me compete or found me through competition networking. The state auditor also wanted to see that I was treating the activity consistently as a business on all fronts - separate business accounts for these expenses, formal marketing plans including competitions, and proof that I approached competitions differently than a hobbyist would. It was much more detailed than what the federal documentation required.
My friend is a professional disc golfer with small business sponsors and the way his sponsorships work is the businesses pay the tournament fees directly rather than giving him money. He gets the benefit without taxable income and they get the write-off as marketing expense. Maybe set up something similar with your business?
That's a really good idea, I hadn't thought about structuring it that way. So basically my business would directly pay the tournament fees and expenses rather than "giving me money" that I then use for tournaments. That seems cleaner from a documentation standpoint. Is your friend's face/name/image used in the business's marketing materials? I'm trying to figure out if I need to create more separation between "me the artist" and "me the player" for this to work properly.
One important thing that hasn't been mentioned yet - if you claimed depreciation during the rental period (which you should have), you'll have to pay depreciation recapture tax on that amount at 25% regardless of how you file. This is often overlooked when converting properties from personal to rental. Also, since you only rented it for about 6 months, you might not qualify for Section 1031 exchange which could have deferred your gains. Something to consider for future investment properties if you plan to stay in real estate investing.
Does depreciation recapture apply even if you didn't actually claim depreciation on your tax returns during the rental period? I have a similar situation but didn't know I was supposed to depreciate the property during the rental phase.
Yes, depreciation recapture applies whether you actually claimed it or not. The IRS considers it "allowed or allowable" depreciation. So even if you didn't claim depreciation deductions during the rental period, you're still required to recapture what you could have claimed when you sell. This is one of the most common mistakes with rental properties. If you didn't claim the depreciation you were entitled to, you essentially lost those deductions but still have to pay the recapture tax. This is why it's always important to properly depreciate rental properties, even if they were previously personal residences.
Has anyone used a 1031 exchange for a property that was converted from personal to rental? I'm in a similar situation but with about $200k in expected gains and wondering if I can defer by purchasing another investment property.
You can do a 1031 exchange, but ONLY for the business portion of your property. Since your property was a personal residence first and only a rental for a short time, most of your gain would be allocated to personal use and wouldn't qualify for 1031 exchange.
Anastasia Kuznetsov
One thing nobody has mentioned is the difference between trading in a regular brokerage account vs. a tax-advantaged account like a Roth IRA. In a Roth, your gains are completely tax-free (assuming you follow withdrawal rules). Might be worth putting some of your trading capital there if you qualify.
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Sean Fitzgerald
ā¢I thought you can't day trade in an IRA because of the limited deposits each year and trading restrictions?
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Anastasia Kuznetsov
ā¢You're right that there are limitations. IRAs have annual contribution limits ($7,000 for 2025 if you're under 50), and you can't use margin or do certain types of options trading. But you absolutely can do active trading within those limitations. Just no pattern day trading using margin, which requires $25,000 minimum equity in regular accounts. Some brokerages also have additional restrictions on IRAs, but the tax benefits can be huge for the trading you can do in there.
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Zara Khan
Quick tip for the original poster: start keeping a detailed log of all your trades with profits/losses clearly marked. Makes tax time WAY easier. I use a spreadsheet that automatically calculates my running net gain/loss for the year so I know roughly what I'll owe.
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Eduardo Silva
ā¢Thanks for the suggestion. I actually started doing this after I got confused about the tax implications. Do you happen to have a template you could share? I'm tracking basic info like buy/sell prices and dates, but wonder if I'm missing anything important for tax purposes.
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