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my experience: ignored this for years then had my european bank threaten to close my accounts if i didn't provide US tax forms (due to FATCA). trust me, waiting makes it worse! the penalties for willful non-compliance are scary ($100k+), but if you genuinely didn't know (non-willful), the streamlined procedures exist exactly for people like us. the key is filing before they find you! oh and important tip: some european banks are now refusing service to US citizens because of the reporting hassle. might be worth not mentioning your US citizenship to any new banks if possible š¤«
That last bit is actually really bad advice that could cause major problems. Deliberately concealing US citizenship status from financial institutions is exactly what makes the IRS consider violations "willful" and can lead to the worst penalties. They specifically look for this kind of evasion.
I'm in a very similar situation - US citizen through my mother, born and raised in Canada, just found out about FBAR requirements last month. The panic is real! After doing a lot of research and speaking with a tax professional, here's what I learned that might help you: 1. Yes, you absolutely need to file FBAR - it's based on citizenship, not birthplace or residency. At ā¬45,000, you're well over the $10,000 threshold. 2. The Streamlined Foreign Offshore Procedures are your friend here. You can catch up on 3 years of tax returns and 6 years of FBARs without penalties if you can certify your non-compliance was non-willful (which sounds like your case). 3. You'll likely need to get a US Social Security Number first if you don't have one - you can apply at a US consulate in Amsterdam. 4. Don't wait! The longer you put it off, the harder it becomes to argue it was non-willful. Plus, with FATCA agreements, Dutch banks are likely already reporting US person accounts to the IRS. The good news is most people in our situation don't actually owe US taxes due to foreign tax credits and exclusions. It's mostly just paperwork to prove you don't owe anything. But that paperwork is unfortunately mandatory. Consider getting help from a tax professional who specializes in expat/dual citizen situations - it's complex enough that it's worth the investment for peace of mind.
Congratz on making it thru! Been stuck since February myself, might have to try that number u posted
Wow, 8 months from filing to refund - that's brutal but glad you finally got through it! Your transcript tells quite a story with all those adjustments. The fact they gave you interest (776 code) is at least something for all that waiting. I'm curious about that cycle code change from 20241305 to 18254-661-06944-4 - did you notice any pattern with when those updates happened? Also wondering if the amended return on June 4th was something they requested or you had to figure out on your own? Thanks for sharing all the details, this is super helpful for those of us still navigating the IRS maze! š
Pro tip: sign up for informed delivery with USPS so you know exactly when that check hits your mailbox
yo thats actually smart af! thanks!
Same thing happened to my friend - the IRS will automatically send a paper check to your last known address when the direct deposit gets rejected. Just make sure to keep checking your mail and maybe give it a few extra weeks. Also might want to call your old bank to see if they can tell you exactly when the account closed, that way you know if your refund got processed before or after the closure date.
Just a tip from someone who went through this last year - if you do get your account levied, immediately open an account at a different bank for any new incoming funds/deposits. The levy only applies to the money in the account at the time it's processed and the specific bank that received the levy notice.
This is really important advice. The levy is like a snapshot of what's in your account at that specific moment. New deposits to a different bank won't be touched by the existing levy. However, the IRS can issue multiple levies to different banks if they know about them, so it's not a permanent solution.
Just went through this exact situation two months ago. The timing is unpredictable - my bank received the levy on a Tuesday and froze my account that same day around noon. I only found out when my debit card was declined at lunch. One thing that really helped was calling my bank directly after I got the Final Notice. While they can't tell you exactly when they'll receive the levy, some banks will put a note on your account to call you immediately when it arrives, giving you a few hours to withdraw emergency cash before the freeze takes effect. Also, if you have direct deposit set up, contact your employer ASAP to see if they can issue you a paper check for your next paycheck. Once that account is frozen, any direct deposits will just sit there until the levy is resolved. I learned this the hard way when my paycheck got stuck in the frozen account for three weeks. The 21-day hold period that was mentioned is accurate, but don't count on it - use that time to aggressively pursue a payment plan with the IRS. I was able to get mine released on day 18, but it was touch and go.
That's such good advice about calling the bank directly! I never would have thought of that. Did they actually agree to put a note on your account, or were you just lucky with a helpful customer service rep? I'm wondering if this is something most banks will do or if it varies by institution. Also, the tip about switching to paper checks is brilliant. I have direct deposit and would have been completely screwed if my paycheck got frozen in there. How long did it take your employer to process the change from direct deposit to paper check?
Daniel Rogers
One important thing no one mentioned yet - if you're expecting a significant income increase like your husband had, make sure you're looking at the safe harbor rules correctly. If your AGI is over $150,000, you need to pay 110% of your previous year's tax liability (not just 100%) to avoid penalties. Also, filing status matters here. Since you were both single last year and married this year, you'd need to calculate 110% of your COMBINED previous year tax liability. This is exactly why I use a CPA even though it costs more. They handle all this headache and help me sleep at night!
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Katherine Harris
ā¢Thank you, that's really helpful info about the 110% rule! I didn't realize that applied to combined previous tax liability when newly married. Do you know if there's any flexibility with these rules given that I'm still waiting on W-2s? It seems unfair to penalize people when employers are slow sending documents.
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Daniel Rogers
ā¢There's unfortunately not much flexibility specifically for missing W-2s. The IRS expects you to know approximately what your income and withholding were even without the final documents. If your employers are being extremely late with W-2s (they're required to provide them by January 31st), you can actually contact the IRS after February 15th to report this and request their assistance in obtaining your W-2 information. They can sometimes get the information from the employer for you. In the meantime, your final paystub from December will have year-to-date information that should be close to what will appear on your W-2.
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Aaliyah Reed
Just want to add something I learned the hard way - if you do end up owing a penalty for underpayment, make sure to use Form 2210 to calculate it yourself rather than waiting for the IRS to do it. Especially if you had uneven income during the year. The standard calculation assumes you earned income evenly throughout the year, which can result in a higher penalty if you earned more toward the end of the year. Form 2210 lets you show when you actually earned the income so the penalty is calculated fairly.
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Ella Russell
ā¢Dumb question maybe but does turbotax handle form 2210 properly? I always just use that and assume it's calculating everything correctly.
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Kayla Morgan
ā¢TurboTax does handle Form 2210, but you have to specifically tell it to use the annualized income installment method if your income was uneven. By default, most tax software uses the standard method which assumes equal quarterly payments. Look for an option that says something like "calculate penalty based on when income was received" or "annualized income installment method." It's usually buried in the advanced options or penalty calculation section. Don't just assume it's doing it automatically - you have to actively select it!
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