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Another thing to consider when looking at CPA prices - ask exactly what's included in both packages. For $1,600 filing only vs $3,000 advisory, make sure you know: - Does the filing package include all state returns for those 4-6 states? - Does advisory include tax planning meetings? How many per year? - Will they represent you in case of audit? (This is HUGE) - Do they help with quarterly estimates calculations? - Will they file extensions if needed at no extra cost? - Do they have expertise in your specific business type? I was quoted similar prices last year and went with the cheaper option, but ended up paying more in add-on fees when things got complicated. The comprehensive package usually ends up being better value if you have a complex situation like yours.
These are great questions I hadn't thought to ask! Do CPAs typically provide some kind of service agreement that spells all this out, or is it more informal? I definitely want to make sure we know exactly what we're getting.
Yes, reputable CPAs will provide an engagement letter that outlines exactly what services are included, their fees, and any potential additional charges. This is a formal document that protects both you and them by setting clear expectations. It's completely normal and professional to ask for this in writing before proceeding. The engagement letter should detail everything - filing which forms, for which states, what happens if you need amendments, audit support terms, and for advisory services, how many consultations you get and what specific planning areas they'll address. If they're reluctant to provide this in writing, that's actually a red flag.
Has anyone considered that $60,000 tax bill might be wrong? Turbotax is good but it can mess up with complex situations like this. My wife and I got hit with a huge bill using turbotax last year but when a CPA looked at it, they found turbotax had double-counted some income and missed several deductions. Our actual bill was less than half what turbotax calculated!
This is a really good point. I've seen TurboTax struggle with multi-state income and self-employment situations. One specific issue to check: TurboTax sometimes doesn't properly allocate income between states when you've moved mid-year, which can lead to double taxation. It also sometimes misses home office deductions for self-employed people.
One thing nobody's mentioned is that when you file separately, you BOTH have to take the standard deduction or BOTH itemize. You can't mix and match. This can make a huge difference if one of you has enough deductions to itemize but the other doesn't. Also, if you file separately, you lose: - Student loan interest deduction - Tuition and fees deduction - EIC - Child and dependent care credit - Education credits That's why filing jointly is usually better even if the initial calculations seem to suggest otherwise.
Thanks for mentioning those specific deductions/credits we'd lose. We do have some student loan interest, so that's definitely a factor. Do you know roughly how much the student loan interest deduction is worth in tax savings? I'm wondering if that alone would make up the difference.
The student loan interest deduction allows you to deduct up to $2,500 of interest paid on qualified student loans. The actual tax savings depends on your tax bracket. At your combined income level, you're probably in the 24% or 32% federal tax bracket, so that deduction could save you between $600-$800 in federal taxes if you're able to deduct the full $2,500. That alone might not make up the entire difference you're seeing, but it's substantial. Plus when you add in the other benefits of joint filing and the proper comparison of tax brackets, the difference starts to make more sense.
Random tip that might help explain why the refund/owed amount changed so dramatically: when you entered your husband's W2 first, the software was calculating his taxes as if his $45k was your ENTIRE household income for the year. It was applying the standard deduction against just his income. When you added your income, suddenly your combined income jumped to $265k, putting you in a much higher tax bracket AND the standard deduction became a much smaller percentage of your total income. Its not that filing separately is better - its that your tax situation completely changed when you added your much larger income to the calculation!
This is exactly right. The software doesn't know your full situation until you enter all info. It's like if you only put in half your income at first, the software might show a refund, then when you add the rest it shows you owe. Doesn't mean you should only report half your income lol.
One thing no one has mentioned yet - the IRS has extraordinary collection powers that other creditors don't have. If you don't file and don't pay, they can eventually: - Place tax liens against your property - Levy your bank accounts (take money directly) - Garnish your wages without going to court first - Seize and sell your property - Take your tax refunds in future years - Sometimes even suspend passports for large tax debts I learned all this the hard way after ignoring my taxes for 2 years. It took me 5+ years to clean up the mess. The interest and penalties more than doubled my original tax debt. Just file your return, pay what you can, and get on a payment plan. The weight off your shoulders will be worth it.
Thank you all for the advice. I'm definitely going to file now after reading everything. I had no idea the failure-to-file penalties were so much worse than failure-to-pay. I'm going to look into both the installment plan and that Offer in Compromise program. One last question - if I get on a payment plan, will they still put liens on my property or anything like that? I'm renting right now but hoping to buy a house in the next couple years.
Generally, if you're on a payment plan and staying current with your payments, the IRS won't file a tax lien. However, this depends partly on how much you owe. For smaller debts (under $25,000) with an installment agreement, they typically don't file liens if you're compliant with the terms. For larger amounts, they might still file a lien as protection, even with a payment plan in place. The good news is that once you've made enough payments to get below a certain threshold, or if you've been in compliance with your plan for a specified period, you can request for them to withdraw the lien. This is something that changed with their Fresh Start program to help taxpayers.
Don't forget about state taxes too! Depending on where you live, state tax authorities can be even more aggressive than the IRS in some ways. I ignored both federal and state taxes one year and my state started collection proceedings way faster than the IRS did. In my case, the state department of revenue put a lien on my bank account just 6 months after I missed the filing deadline. Had NO warning except for letters I was too scared to open. Woke up one day and couldn't access my money!
I'm a tax preparer and just want to clarify that while the home office deduction isn't available for W-2 employees currently, if you do ANY self-employed work (even small side gigs), you might be able to allocate a portion of your home office expenses to that business. You'd need to track time spent on self-employment vs. employee work carefully. Also worth noting - some states have their own provisions for home office deductions that don't match federal rules. California, for example, still allows employee business expenses in some cases.
That's interesting about the state provisions. Do you know which states besides California allow home office deductions for employees? I'm in New York if that helps.
New York does allow itemized deductions for unreimbursed employee expenses, including home office expenses in some cases. You'd need to file IT-196 to claim these deductions on your state return. Other states that may allow employee business expense deductions include Alabama, Arkansas, Hawaii, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, and several others. Each has different rules and thresholds though, so you'll need to check your specific state's guidelines or consult with a tax professional familiar with your state's tax code.
Has anyone tried asking their employer to set up an accountable plan for home office expenses? My company just started doing this - they reimburse my internet and some utility costs for my home office, and it's not taxable income to me but is deductible for them. Seems like a win-win.
Sophia Russo
Don't forget to check with your state and local utility companies too! I claimed the federal tax credit for my heat pump ($2,500), but then also got a $1,000 rebate from my state's clean energy program AND a $500 incentive from my electric company. Triple-dipping made my system way more affordable. The paperwork was different for each one though - federal was Form 5695 with my taxes, state was a separate application, and the utility rebate came through my contractor.
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Sarah Jones
ā¢That's a great point! Do you know if these state/utility rebates affect the federal tax credit amount? Can I still claim the full federal amount if I also got local incentives?
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Sophia Russo
ā¢You can generally claim the full federal tax credit even if you receive state or utility rebates. The IRS treats these as separate incentives. However, you may need to adjust the cost basis you use when calculating your federal credit. For example, if your system cost $10,000 and you received a $1,000 utility rebate that was applied at purchase, you would calculate your federal tax credit based on the $9,000 you actually paid. This is an area where good documentation is essential, so keep all your paperwork!
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Evelyn Xu
Beware of contractors who promise tax credits without knowing the details! My HVAC company told me I'd get a $2,000 credit, but when tax time came, I found out my system only qualified for $1,200 because it didn't meet all the efficiency requirements. Make sure you get the manufacturer's certification IN WRITING before counting on that money. Also, keep all your receipts digitally - I learned this the hard way when my paper receipt faded after a few months and my accountant couldn't read all the details!
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Dominic Green
ā¢This happened to my parents too! Their contractor said "energy efficient" but the actual ratings were just below the qualifying threshold. What software did you use to file? Did it catch the issue or did you figure it out yourself?
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