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Let me share what I've learned from handling dozens of these cases. The 45-day timeframe is their standard line, but in my experience, most refunds come much sooner after the review is completed. I had a client last year in your exact situation - return under review, worried about bills, first-time joint filer. Once their review was completed, the refund was issued in just 8 days. The key is that March 15th date - that's when you should see your transcript update with either a refund approved code (846) or a notice issued code (971). If you see code 846, you'll typically receive your refund within 5-7 days of that date. Keep checking your transcript daily after March 15th!

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I'm going through something very similar right now! Filed my joint return in early February and got the same "under review" status. The waiting is absolutely torture when you're counting on that refund for bills. One thing that helped me was setting up account transcripts online at irs.gov so I could check for updates myself instead of calling constantly. The hold times are insane right now. Also, I read somewhere that filing jointly for the first time can sometimes trigger additional verification because they're matching up two tax histories that weren't previously linked. Hang in there - from what I've seen in this community, most people get their refunds way before that 45-day worst-case timeline they give you. Sending you positive vibes that yours comes through quickly after March 15th! šŸ’™

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CP05 Notice + IRS Letter About Phantom Amended Return - $5,000 Frivolous Filing Penalty Waived for Return I Never Filed - No Refund Movement Since February

Just got a CP05 letter saying I need to wait 120 days for my refund while they verify my wages. Has anyone gotten this? My transcripts show no movement since February and I'm really getting worried about my refund. Starting to feel hopeless about this whole thing. Today I received another letter from the IRS dated May 03, 2024, in response to something I supposedly submitted on May 02, 2024. The letter states word for word: "Dear Taxpayer: Thank you for your response of May 02, 2024. We're sending your response, dated May 02, 2024, to the office at the address at the end of this letter because: Your amended return corrected your frivolous position; therefore, will not be assessed the $6,000.00 frivolous filing penalty. However, your amended return included other changes which require further examination. You will be contacted if additional information is needed to process your case. Find tax forms or publications by visiting IRS.gov/forms or calling 800-TAX-FORM (800-829-3676). If you have questions, you can call 866-883-0235. If you prefer, you can write to the address at the top of the first page of this letter. When you write, include a copy of this letter, and write your telephone number and the hours we can reach you. Keep a copy of this letter for your records. Thank you for your cooperation." I'm completely confused because I never filed an amended return or had any "frivolous position" that needed correcting. I just filed my regular taxes and was expecting my refund. Now I have both the CP05 saying to wait 120 days AND this new letter talking about amended returns and penalties that I don't understand. The letter mentions a $6,000.00 frivolous filing penalty that they're not assessing me, but I never filed anything frivolous! It also says my "amended return included other changes which require further examination" but I never submitted an amended return at all. Has anyone dealt with this combination of issues before? I'm completely lost and feeling even more hopeless about ever seeing my refund. My transcripts still show absolutely no movement since February. Should I call the number they provided (866-883-0235)? Or should I write to them as suggested in the letter? I'm worried if I contact them it might delay things further, but I also want to clear up whatever confusion is happening here.

Ravi Patel

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Pro tip: upload your stuff to taxr.ai - saved me so much stress with my CP05. It actually predicted when my refund would hit within 2 days! Better than playing guessing games tbh

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for real? might have to check this out

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That letter about the amended return and frivolous filing penalty is really concerning - especially since you never filed an amended return! This sounds like identity theft or the IRS mixed up your case with someone else's. I'd definitely call that number (866-883-0235) ASAP to get this sorted out. Don't worry about it delaying your refund - if someone filed fraudulent documents under your SSN, that needs to be addressed immediately. Document everything and ask for a case number when you call. The CP05 might actually be related to this mix-up rather than normal verification.

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Taylor Chen

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This is really good advice! @Amina Bah you should definitely call that number - the combination of CP05 + a letter about an amended return you never filed is a huge red flag. Could be identity theft or they mixed up your case with someone else. Better to get it sorted now than wait and have bigger problems later. When you call, ask them to verify what documents they have on file for your SSN and get everything in writing!

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If ur worried about criminal charges dont be. The IRS almost never pursues criminal tax evasion unless ur hiding millions or deliberately committing fraud. What ur describing is just failure to file which is bad but not criminal bad. Just get those returns filed ASAP and be honest about everything. If u cant pay what u owe right away, the IRS is actually pretty reasonable about payment plans. The interest and penalties suck but its better than continuing to hide from them.

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Can confirm. I work in accounting (not a CPA tho) and see this situation fairly often. Regular people who just messed up and didn't file for years almost never face criminal charges. The IRS wants their money, not to put you in jail.

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Hey Butch, I totally get the panic - I was in almost the exact same situation about 3 years ago. Hadn't filed for 8 years due to a mix of 1099 work confusion and then just pure avoidance. The good news is it's way more fixable than your anxiety is telling you right now. A few things that might help ease your mind: First, the fact that you've been claiming zero deductions on your W-4 for 6 years is actually huge in your favor. You've likely been overpaying taxes this whole time, which means some of those years you might not even owe anything (or could have been due refunds). Second, the reason you haven't heard from the IRS isn't necessarily weird - their systems are incredibly backlogged and if your current job withholding has been covering your tax liability, you might not have triggered their automated collection notices. My advice: Start with getting your wage and income transcripts from the IRS website (it's free and won't trigger anything). This will show you exactly what income was reported under your SSN for all those years. Then you'll have a much clearer picture of what you're actually dealing with instead of just imagining worst-case scenarios. You've got this - it's scary but totally manageable once you start taking action.

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Help Needed: Gambling Losses & PayPal 1099-K Issues with IRS Reporting

Hey everyone, I'm at my wit's end dealing with an IRS nightmare that's been going on for 5 years now. Back in 2020, I went through a phase where I did way too much sports betting online (thankfully with some help I've gotten that under control). My issue is with PayPal and how they reported my gambling activities to the IRS. I used PayPal for depositing and withdrawing from various betting sites. In total, I deposited about $337k and withdrew around $285k, so I ended up with a net loss of roughly $52k. Here's where it gets crazy - PayPal never sent me a 1099-K, but apparently reported to the IRS that I had "earnings" of $170k. I didn't even know this was happening until the IRS rejected my return in 2022. What PayPal seems to be doing is counting some of my withdrawals from gambling sites as if people were paying me for goods and services like I'm running a business! The problems are: 1) The $170k PayPal reported doesn't match my $285k in withdrawals, so I have no idea what they're counting and what they aren't 2) This number should be ZERO since I'm not a business and never conducted any business through PayPal I've worked with a tax pro from Jackson Hewitt who has refiled multiple times. We've provided win/loss statements, full transaction logs, and even added the $170k as Gambling Income on Schedule C with corresponding losses, but the IRS keeps rejecting the return. Has anyone dealt with PayPal misreporting gambling transactions? Any advice would be so appreciated!

Has anyone tried getting PayPal to issue a corrected 1099-K? I'm having the exact same issue where they're counting my DraftKings withdrawals as business income.

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Dylan Evans

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Good luck with that. I tried for months to get PayPal to correct mine. Called multiple times, sent emails, even had my accountant contact them. They just kept telling me "we report based on our system categories" and wouldn't budge.

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Olivia Clark

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This is such a frustrating situation that unfortunately many people are dealing with. PayPal and other payment processors often categorize gambling transactions incorrectly because their systems aren't designed to distinguish between different types of money transfers. A few additional points that might help: 1) When working with your tax professional, make sure they're familiar with gambling tax issues specifically. Not all tax preparers understand the nuances of how payment processors report gambling transactions. 2) Consider requesting your complete PayPal transaction history going back to 2020 and cross-reference it with your gambling site records. Sometimes the discrepancy between what PayPal reported ($170k) and your actual withdrawals ($285k) is because they're only counting certain types of transactions or excluding some transfers. 3) If you haven't already, document EVERYTHING - screenshots of your betting account histories, bank statements showing transfers to/from PayPal, and any correspondence with PayPal about the issue. 4) You might also want to consider filing a complaint with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) against PayPal for incorrect reporting. While it won't immediately fix your tax situation, it creates an official record of the issue. The fact that you have win/loss statements and transaction logs is great - that documentation will be crucial in proving your case to the IRS. Don't give up!

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Yara Sayegh

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This is really helpful advice! I'm dealing with a similar issue where Venmo is reporting my poker winnings incorrectly. The CFPB complaint idea is interesting - I hadn't thought about creating an official record of the payment processor's error. One question though - when you mention getting complete PayPal transaction history, is there a specific way to request this? I've been trying to get more detailed records from Venmo but they only seem to provide basic transaction summaries. Having the full history like you described would definitely help me cross-reference with my gambling site records. Also, @764e0abb033b do you know if there's a statute of limitations on how far back the IRS can go with these kinds of discrepancies? I'm worried they might start questioning my returns from previous years too.

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Adrian Connor

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Tax professional here: This is standard procedure for Louisiana's verification program. They randomly select returns to verify income reporting accuracy. Best practices: 1) Send copies not originals 2) Use certified mail 3) Keep proof of mailing 4) Include letter reference number on all docs 5) Make copies of everything you send. Average processing time after docs received is 30-45 days. Pro tip: Use taxr.ai to analyze your federal transcripts first - it can help identify any discrepancies that might trigger state reviews. Worth the $1 cost to avoid headaches later.

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Aisha Jackson

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How much does the certified mail usually cost?

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Adrian Connor

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Around $4-5 with tracking. Worth every penny for peace of mind!

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Same thing happened to me last year! I was freaking out at first but it really is just routine. Louisiana does these verification checks pretty regularly. I sent in copies of everything they requested and got my refund about 5 weeks later. Just make sure you respond within their deadline - I think they give you like 30 days to send the docs. Don't stress too much about it!

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