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Haley Stokes

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I think a lot of people overlook the fact that Form 5471 has different categories of filers. For a 50% ownership in a foreign corp, you're most likely a Category 5 filer. The important thing is disclosure - the penalties for not filing can be steep ($10k+ per form per year). If the business truly has no operations, minimal expenses and no bank accounts, your Form 5471 would be pretty basic but still required. The cost shouldn't be that high for a simple filing with minimal info - you might find a US expat tax specialist who would do just this form for a reasonable fee rather than a full tax return.

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Lourdes Fox

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Thanks, this is super helpful. So even though we never really operated, just the fact that we registered the business means I need to file? Is there any threshold for "minimal expenses" - we spent maybe ยฃ200 total on samples before abandoning the project.

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Haley Stokes

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Yes, the registration itself created a legal entity that you partially own, which triggers the Form 5471 filing requirement regardless of the minimal activity. The IRS is primarily concerned with disclosure of foreign entities, even dormant ones. There's no specific threshold for "minimal expenses" that exempts you from filing. However, the ยฃ200 you spent would simply be reported as expenses on the form. The good news is that with such minimal activity, your form would be quite straightforward - many sections would be zeros or not applicable. This is exactly the type of situation where the simplified reporting under Revenue Procedure 92-70 might be applicable, as others have mentioned.

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Asher Levin

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I had a similar situation with a business i registered in australia that never really did anything. one important thing to consider: the statute of limitations doesn't start running on your tax returns until you've filed all required international forms. so if you don't file the 5471, theoretically the irs could audit your returns from that year forever!!!

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Serene Snow

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I heard the penalties for not filing these international forms can be absolutely insane too. Like $10k PER FORM PER YEAR not filed. Did you end up having to pay any penalties when you finally filed yours?

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Keisha Johnson

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@Asher Levin That s'a scary thought about the statute of limitations never starting! Did you end up using one of those penalty relief programs when you finally filed? I ve'heard the IRS has some options for people who didn t'know about these international filing requirements, but I m'not sure how they work in practice.

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GalacticGuru

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Did anyone else notice their W-2 sometimes says TIN instead of SSN in the box label? My employer switched payroll systems and the new W-2 format confused me at first.

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Freya Pedersen

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Yeah, my company does this too! Box "a" says "Employee's TIN" instead of "Employee's SSN" like my old job's W-2. Just different formatting but same number goes in there either way.

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Kaitlyn Otto

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This is such a common source of confusion! I went through the exact same panic when I first noticed this on my tax documents. It's completely normal and actually reassuring that you're paying attention to the details on your transcript. One thing that might help for future reference - when you're looking at IRS forms or documents, they'll often use "TIN" in the instructions or field labels because the form needs to work for everyone (citizens using SSN, foreign workers using ITIN, businesses using EIN, etc.). But for most individual taxpayers like yourself, wherever you see "Enter your TIN," you just enter your SSN. The IRS transcript showing matching numbers is actually a good sign that everything is consistent in their system. No red flags there at all!

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Reina Salazar

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Remember that you also need to think about state taxes! Federal rules are one thing, but states often have different treatment. I'm in California and they don't have an AMT system that matches federal exactly, so my calculations were all different. Make sure you're considering both.

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Luca Russo

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Great question! As someone who's been through a similar situation, I can confirm what others have said about the complexity of ISO taxation. One thing I'd add is to consider the timing of your exercise in relation to your company's lock-up period ending (if applicable). Many people exercise right after IPO without realizing they can't sell during the lock-up, which can create cash flow issues if AMT kicks in. Also, since you mentioned your husband has significant short-term capital losses to carry forward, you might want to explore a mixed strategy: exercise some options now and hold (to start the long-term capital gains clock), and plan to exercise additional tranches in future years when you can immediately sell to utilize those losses. One more tip - if you're planning to exercise and hold, make sure you have enough cash set aside for the potential AMT hit. I've seen too many people get caught off guard by the tax bill on "paper gains" they haven't actually realized yet. The AMT can be substantial even when you haven't sold anything. Good luck with your decision!

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Jamal Harris

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Make sure to save copies of your transcript! Screenshot everything incase you need proof later that the refund was processed before they filed the offset

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Mateo Sanchez

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good idea! doing that rn

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Henry Delgado

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Also worth checking if DeVry actually has the right to collect from you - some of these for-profit schools have been known to pursue debts that were already discharged or forgiven. If you never received proper notices before, that could be a violation of debt collection laws. Document everything and consider reaching out to your state's attorney general office if something seems fishy about their collection practices.

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When I filed my 9465 last year they also made me fill out a 433-F financial statement even though I owed less than $25k. They said it was because I had a history of not filing on time. So just be ready that they might ask for more documentation depending on your specific tax history.

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AstroAdventurer

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The same thing happened to my sister! I think they're requiring those financial statements more often now. Did they eventually approve your payment plan or did they come back with a different required monthly amount?

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Ellie Kim

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I went through this exact situation last year and totally understand the stress! Here are the key things that helped me get my 9465 approved on the first try: **Most Important Sections:** - Lines 1-8: Your basic info (must match your tax return exactly) - Line 9: Monthly payment amount (be realistic - propose what you can actually afford) - Line 11a: I highly recommend direct debit - shows you're committed - Line 12: Make sure to sign and date it! **Pro Tips:** 1. Calculate a payment amount that pays off your debt in 72 months or less if possible 2. If you can swing a larger first payment, include that - it shows good faith 3. Double-check that your SSN matches your return exactly 4. Keep copies of everything you submit The IRS is actually pretty reasonable with payment plans if you're honest about what you can afford. Don't lowball the monthly amount thinking you're gaming the system - they'll just reject it and you'll have to start over. Better to be realistic upfront. You've got this! The form looks scarier than it actually is once you break it down section by section.

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