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IRA withdrawal strategy: Is maximizing current tax bracket always smart?

I'm approaching retirement and trying to figure out the best tax strategy for IRA withdrawals or Roth conversions. I've always heard financial advisors recommend "max out your current tax bracket if it's low," but I'm wondering if this advice has serious flaws in certain situations. Let me share my current numbers (rounded for simplicity): I'm earning about $135,000 in regular taxable income (wages, interest, etc.) and have around $188,000 in qualified dividends and long-term capital gains. I'm married filing jointly, and my marginal rate for regular income is 12%, though some LT investment gains are taxed at 15%, with about $12,500 subject to the Net Investment Income Tax (NIIT) at 3.8%. Looking at this, I initially thought: "Great! My marginal rate for regular income (which is how an IRA withdrawal would be taxed) is only 12%. I can withdraw $22,000 to fill up that 12% bracket without hitting the 22% bracket." But here's where it gets complicated: If I take that $22,000 withdrawal, it not only gets taxed at 12%, but it also pushes another $22,000 of my investment income from the 0% to the 15% capital gains rate, plus pushes more income into the NIIT territory. When I run the numbers, that $22,000 withdrawal actually costs me about $6,750 in taxes – roughly a 30.8% effective rate on that withdrawal, despite being in the "12% bracket." Am I missing something? Is the "max out your bracket" rule only smart in certain income ranges – not too low where investments are taxed at 0% (so nothing gets pushed to 15%) and not high enough to trigger NIIT? For example, if my regular income were $160,000 and qualified dividends were $125,000, I'd already be in the 22% bracket, so an IRA withdrawal would be taxed at 22% without any ripple effects on my other income. Should I just be grateful some investments are taxed at 0% and avoid IRA withdrawals in this situation? The traditional advice doesn't seem to make sense for my circumstances.

Libby Hassan

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Thanks everyone for the incredibly helpful advice! I'm going to look into both taxr.ai and potentially using Claimyr to confirm my specific situation with the IRS. I hadn't considered the expiring tax provisions after 2025 either, so that's another factor to weigh. I think I'll scale back my planned conversion amount this year to avoid the worst of these tax interactions, but still do a small conversion to chip away at future RMDs. The suggestions about timing conversions with charitable giving or higher deduction years make a lot of sense too. This has been eye-opening - clearly the standard advice to "fill up your bracket" is way too simplistic for many situations like mine. I'll definitely be running more detailed projections before making any moves.

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Great analysis! You've perfectly illustrated why cookie-cutter tax advice can be so dangerous. I'm a tax preparer and I see this all the time - clients come in having followed generic "fill your bracket" advice without understanding these cascading effects. One additional consideration for your situation: if you're still working and have access to a 401(k), you might want to maximize pre-tax contributions there first before doing any Roth conversions. This could lower your AGI enough to keep more of your qualified dividends in the 0% bracket, making future conversions more tax-efficient. Also, don't forget about the Medicare premium implications (IRMAA) if your modified AGI gets too high. Those can add another layer of "stealth taxes" that make conversions even more expensive than they appear on paper. The tax code has so many interconnections that proper planning really requires modeling your entire tax picture, not just looking at marginal brackets in isolation.

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Steven Adams

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This is exactly what I needed to hear! I'm still working and do have access to a 401(k), but I've been prioritizing the Roth conversions thinking they were more important. Your point about maximizing pre-tax contributions first to lower my AGI makes perfect sense - that could keep more of my dividends in the 0% bracket and make any future conversions much more efficient. I hadn't even thought about the Medicare IRMAA implications either. Do you know at what income levels those kick in? It sounds like I really need to model my entire tax situation rather than just focusing on one piece at a time.

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Aisha Khan

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For 2024, the Medicare IRMAA thresholds start at $103,000 for single filers and $206,000 for married filing jointly (based on your 2022 modified AGI). The surcharges can range from about $70 to over $400 per month per person, so they really add up quickly. What's tricky is that IRMAA uses your AGI from two years prior, so any large conversion you do this year won't affect your Medicare premiums until 2027. But it's definitely something to factor into your long-term planning, especially if you're close to those thresholds. Your strategy of maxing pre-tax 401(k) contributions first is spot on. Every dollar you put into your 401(k) reduces your current AGI, which could keep more of your qualified dividends at 0% and delay hitting IRMAA thresholds. Then you can do smaller, more strategic Roth conversions in future years when your earned income drops but before RMDs kick in. It's a complex puzzle, but getting it right can save tens of thousands over your retirement years.

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Max Knight

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Welcome to the community! Based on what you've shared, you're on the right track with understanding the gift tax implications. Since your car is worth $22,000 and the annual exclusion is $18,000, you would need to file Form 709 to report the $4,000 excess, but as others have mentioned, you won't actually owe any taxes unless you've already used up your lifetime exemption. One thing I'd add that might be helpful - make sure you get a proper appraisal or use a reliable source like KBB for the car's fair market value when you document the gift. The IRS expects you to use the fair market value on the date of the gift, not what you originally paid for it. For the New York to Texas transfer, you'll want to make sure the title is properly signed over with "gift" clearly indicated, and your daughter should check Texas DMV requirements for family vehicle gifts. Most states have exemptions from sales tax for legitimate family gifts, but she'll still need the right paperwork. The cross-state aspect actually works in your favor since you won't have to deal with New York's vehicle transfer requirements - Texas will handle everything on their end once your daughter registers it there. Good luck with the transfer! It's really nice that you're helping your daughter get reliable transportation for her new job.

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NeonNinja

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Thanks for the warm welcome and great advice! You make an excellent point about getting a proper appraisal for the fair market value. I was just going off the KBB estimate I found online, but I should probably get something more official for my records when I file Form 709. I really appreciate everyone's input on this thread - it's made what seemed like a complicated tax situation much more manageable. The reassurance that I won't actually owe taxes (just need to report) takes a huge weight off my shoulders. And knowing that the cross-state transfer will be handled entirely by Texas DMV simplifies things considerably. My daughter will definitely appreciate all the specific Texas DMV guidance that others have shared. I'll make sure she has all the proper documentation ready when she goes to register the car. It sounds like as long as we clearly mark it as a gift and have the family relationship documented, she should be able to avoid the sales tax. This community has been incredibly helpful - thank you all for sharing your experiences and knowledge!

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Ellie Kim

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Just want to add a reminder about documentation timing - make sure you keep detailed records of the car's condition and mileage at the time of transfer, not just the fair market value. I learned this the hard way when the IRS questioned a vehicle gift I made a few years ago. Take photos of the car, note the exact mileage, and keep records of any recent repairs or maintenance that might affect the value. If you're using KBB for valuation, print out the specific report with the date and all the vehicle details you entered (mileage, condition, etc.). Also, since you mentioned your daughter just moved to Texas for a new job, she should be aware that Texas requires new residents to register their vehicles within 30 days of establishing residency. The good news is that gifted vehicles from family members are exempt from sales tax in Texas with the proper Form 14-317, but she'll still need proof of insurance, inspection, and to pay registration fees. One last tip - if she's registering in a major Texas city like Houston or Dallas, I'd recommend making an appointment at the DMV rather than just showing up. The wait times can be brutal, especially for out-of-state transfers.

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Connor Byrne

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Thank you all so much! Sounds like MFJ is definitely the way to go. I'll look into adjusting our withholdings too since we'll both be working. Might check out that Claimyr service closer to filing time if I have more questions - getting straight answers from the IRS seems impossible sometimes!

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Tami Morgan

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Great advice from everyone here! Just wanted to add that you should also look into the Additional Child Tax Credit if your tax liability is low. With 5 kids, even if your combined income reduces your regular tax to near zero, the ACTC can still give you up to $1,500 per child as a refund. This is especially helpful if a significant portion of your income is from sources with lower withholding. Also, make sure you understand the age requirements - kids must be under 17 at the end of the tax year to qualify for the full $2,000 CTC. Any over 17 might still qualify for the $500 Other Dependent Credit instead.

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Debra Bai

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This is really helpful info about the Additional Child Tax Credit! I didn't know about the $1,500 refundable portion per child. With 5 kids that could be a significant refund even if we don't owe much in taxes. Quick question - does the ACTC have the same income phase-out limits as the regular Child Tax Credit, or are they different? Also, do all 5 kids need to be under 17 for the full benefit, or can we still get partial credits for any that might age out?

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Mia Roberts

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Has anyone here actually been audited for their IRA conversions? I've been doing backdoor Roth for years but always worry I'm doing something wrong with the Form 8606.

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The Boss

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I was audited in 2022 specifically about my IRA conversions. The issue wasn't the backdoor strategy itself but that I had failed to file Form 8606 for one year, which messed up my basis tracking. Make sure you file that form EVERY year you make non-deductible contributions, even if you don't do a conversion that year!

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Mia Roberts

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That's really good to know! I'm going to double check all my past 8606 forms now. Did they make you pay penalties for the missed form or just correct the basis calculation?

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Your tax reporting breakdown looks correct! Just to reinforce what others have said - the key is maintaining accurate Form 8606 documentation for all your non-deductible contributions. One thing to double-check: make sure your brokerage statements clearly show the dates and amounts for each transaction. For your 2025 taxes, you'll want to verify that your 1099-R reflects the full $13,000 conversion amount. Sometimes brokerages split these into separate 1099-Rs if the conversions happened on different dates. Also, since you're doing this strategy regularly, consider setting up a simple spreadsheet to track your non-deductible basis year over year. It makes the Form 8606 preparation much easier and gives you a clear audit trail. The IRS wants to see consistent reporting, so having your own records beyond what the forms show can be really helpful if questions ever come up. Good luck with your tax filing!

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This is really helpful advice about tracking everything in a spreadsheet! I'm new to IRA conversions and feeling overwhelmed by all the documentation requirements. Quick question - when you mention that brokerages might split conversions into separate 1099-Rs, does that create any issues for tax reporting? Do you just add them together on Form 8606, or do they need to be reported separately somehow? Also, for someone just starting with this strategy, are there any common mistakes I should watch out for beyond the Form 8606 filing that everyone's mentioned?

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Jean Claude

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This is a great question that really highlights how our tax system evolved piecemeal over time rather than being designed holistically. From what I understand, the graduated individual tax system is based on the principle of marginal utility - the idea that each additional dollar means less to someone who already has a lot of money. So higher earners can afford to pay higher rates without affecting their basic needs. Corporate taxation follows a different philosophy because corporations are viewed as economic entities that should be taxed efficiently rather than based on ability to pay. The flat rate is meant to minimize economic distortions and keep investment decisions focused on actual business merit rather than tax bracket management. But honestly, it does seem inconsistent when you think about it. A mom-and-pop shop making $50k profit paying the same rate as a Fortune 500 company making billions feels inherently unfair, even if there are technical reasons for it. What's interesting is that some economists actually argue we should flip it - have a flat tax for individuals (for simplicity) and graduated rates for corporations (since they have more resources to handle complex tax planning). But that's pretty much the opposite of what we have now!

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Simon White

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That's a really interesting point about flipping the system! I never thought about having flat individual taxes and graduated corporate rates. It does seem like corporations would be better equipped to handle the complexity of bracket management than individual taxpayers. The marginal utility explanation makes perfect sense for individuals - that extra $1000 means way more to someone making $30k than someone making $300k. But you're right that it feels weird applying a flat rate to a small business barely scraping by versus a mega-corporation. I wonder if the real issue is that we're trying to use the same tax structure for vastly different types of "corporations" - from single-person LLCs to multinational conglomerates. Maybe we need more nuanced categories rather than just individual vs. corporate?

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Lily Young

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This conversation has been really eye-opening! I came in thinking the system was just illogical, but now I see there are actual historical and practical reasons behind it. What strikes me most is learning that we DID have graduated corporate rates from 1936-1978. It makes me wonder if the "simplification" was really worth it, especially now that we have better technology to track and manage more complex tax structures. The point about marginal utility for individuals versus economic efficiency for corporations makes sense theoretically, but in practice it does feel like we're missing something. A small family business struggling to stay afloat shouldn't be taxed at the same rate as a corporation with billions in retained earnings. Maybe the real solution isn't choosing between graduated vs flat, but redesigning the whole system to account for different types of entities - sole proprietors, small businesses, large corporations, etc. Though I imagine that would create its own complications! Thanks everyone for the education. At least now when I complain about taxes I'll have a better understanding of why things are the way they are, even if I don't necessarily agree with all of it.

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I'm glad this conversation helped clarify things! As someone new to understanding tax policy, I found it fascinating that we actually experimented with graduated corporate rates for over 40 years. It really does make you wonder if we gave up too quickly on that approach. Your point about different categories for different business types resonates with me. It seems like there's a huge gap between taxing a single-person consulting business the same way we tax Amazon or Apple. Maybe technology could help us implement a more nuanced system without the administrative nightmare that killed graduated corporate rates in the past. I'm curious - do other countries handle this differently? It would be interesting to see if any modern tax systems have found a middle ground that addresses both the simplicity concerns and the fairness issues we've been discussing.

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