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Has anyone addressed the potential need for a Form 8832 (Entity Classification Election) in this situation? When my father-in-law passed and left his S-corp to my husband, we had to file this to maintain the S election through the estate transfer process.
Actually, Form 8832 is for entities that want to change their classification. For maintaining an S-corp status during estate transfer, you probably filed Form 8553 (Election by a Small Business Corporation) or possibly a statement under Revenue Ruling 2008-18. The bigger issue is that estates are only allowed to hold S-corp stock for 2 years (3 years in some cases) before it terminates the S election.
I went through a very similar situation when my mother passed last year and left me her S-corp. One critical thing I learned that hasn't been mentioned yet is the importance of getting the business properly valued as of the date of death for estate tax purposes and for establishing your stepped-up basis. The IRS requires a formal business valuation if the estate is large enough to require an estate tax return (Form 706), but even if you're below that threshold, having a professional valuation done can save you significant capital gains taxes if you ever sell the business later. The stepped-up basis rule means you inherit the business at its fair market value on the date of death, not what your father originally paid for it. Also, make sure you understand the quarterly estimated tax requirements. Since S-corp income passes through, the estate (and potentially you as beneficiary) may need to make quarterly payments to avoid underpayment penalties. The timing can get tricky when ownership transfers mid-year. I'd strongly recommend getting both a CPA experienced with estates and a business attorney involved sooner rather than later. The two-year limit on estates holding S-corp stock that Juan mentioned is real and has serious consequences if you miss it.
This is incredibly helpful, Andre. I'm realizing I may have already made some mistakes by not getting a proper business valuation done yet. My dad passed in September and I've been so focused on keeping the business running that I didn't think about the stepped-up basis implications until now. Do you know if it's too late to get a retroactive valuation done as of his date of death? And when you mention quarterly estimated payments - does that mean I personally might owe taxes on the S-corp income even if I haven't taken any distributions from the estate yet? I've been reinvesting everything back into the business to keep it stable during this transition period. Also, the two-year limit is concerning - does that timer start from the date of death or from when the estate was officially opened? I'm not sure I'll be ready to either distribute the business or make any major decisions about it within two years given how complex everything has been.
mine cleared after 4 months without me doing anything lol just gotta wait it out sometimes š¤·āāļø
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I've been dealing with tax issues for years and the 810 freeze code is actually pretty common - it doesn't necessarily mean anything is wrong with your return. The "Return Not Present" status combined with the freeze usually just means your return is stuck in a verification queue somewhere in the system. Since your transcript shows Single filing status and 00 exemptions correctly, the IRS did receive your return, it's just not fully processed yet. The blank fields for AGI and taxable income are normal when a return is in this limbo state. Try calling the practitioner priority line if you have a tax pro, otherwise the regular taxpayer advocate service might be able to help expedite things if it's been over 21 days since you filed.
This is really helpful info! I'm new to dealing with the IRS and all these codes are so confusing. How long does the verification queue usually take? And is there anything specific I should say when I call the taxpayer advocate service to get them to help?
3 Just to add my two cents - if you use accounting software like QuickBooks Self-Employed, they have specific features for handling PayPal transactions correctly. It automatically imports your PayPal activity and separates the fees from your income, but still accounts for everything properly on your tax forms.
1 Thanks for mentioning this! I was wondering if there was an easier solution than manual tracking. Does it work well with TurboTax Self-Employed since they're both Intuit products?
Yes, QuickBooks Self-Employed integrates seamlessly with TurboTax Self-Employed since they're both Intuit products! When tax time comes, you can import all your organized data directly from QuickBooks into TurboTax with just a few clicks. It automatically carries over your income, expenses (including those PayPal fees), and business deductions in the correct categories. I've been using this combo for two years now and it makes filing so much smoother - no manual data entry needed at tax time.
As someone who's been dealing with self-employment taxes for several years, I can confirm the advice about reporting gross income and deducting fees separately is absolutely correct. One additional tip I'd suggest - make sure to save your PayPal monthly statements as PDFs throughout the year. These statements clearly show the breakdown of gross payments vs. fees, which can be invaluable if you ever need to provide documentation to the IRS. Also, don't forget that other PayPal-related expenses might be deductible too, like currency conversion fees if you receive international payments, or chargeback fees if you unfortunately deal with those. The key is keeping everything well-documented and categorized consistently. Good luck with your first year of self-employment taxes - it gets easier once you establish a good system!
This is really helpful advice! I hadn't thought about saving the monthly statements as PDFs. Do you know if PayPal keeps those statements available indefinitely, or should I be downloading them regularly? Also, regarding international payments - I've received a few payments from Canadian clients through PayPal. Should I be reporting those in USD at the exchange rate PayPal used, or do I need to use some official exchange rate?
I was scared to take the home office deduction for years because I heard it was an "audit flag" but my accountant finally convinced me it was leaving money on the table. As long as you have a legit office that's exclusively used for business, you should absolutely take it. And document everything - take pics of your office, keep receipts for all office equipment, etc.
Based on your situation, you definitely should be able to take the home office deduction for both businesses. With $130k profit from your LLC and $8k from your online store, plus a dedicated 25% office space, you have a solid case. One thing to consider - since you have two separate businesses using the same space, you might want to allocate the deduction between them based on actual usage. For example, if you spend 80% of your office time on the LLC and 20% on the online store, you could split the deduction accordingly. This can actually be beneficial for tax planning since they're different business structures. Also, don't forget about other home office expenses beyond rent/utilities - office supplies, equipment depreciation, repairs to the office area, etc. With your income levels, these deductions will really add up. Just make sure you have good documentation for everything since the IRS does pay attention to home office deductions on higher-income returns. Your plan to get a good CPA is smart - they can help you optimize the deduction and make sure you're doing everything by the book.
Debra Bai
Have we collectively considered how inefficient this system really is? In 2024, we're still waiting for paper letters that may or may not arrive, with codes that may or may not tell us what's happening with our money? The community wisdom here is clear: don't panic about 971 codes, but do be proactive. Check for companion codes on your transcript. Sign up for Informed Delivery. Make sure your address is current with the IRS. And perhaps most importantly, document everything. When did the code appear? What other codes appeared with it? This documentation becomes valuable if you need to prove timelines later.
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Grace Thomas
Just want to add my experience to help ease some anxiety here. I had a 971 code appear on my transcript last February with a notice date of 2/15, and the letter didn't arrive until 3/2. It was a CP12 notice about a small math error that actually increased my refund by $89. The key thing I learned is that the IRS notice generation system is completely separate from their mailing system. So when you see that 971 code with today's date, it means they've queued up a notice to be printed and mailed, but it hasn't necessarily left their facility yet. I'd give it at least 7-10 business days before getting worried. In the meantime, definitely check if you have any other codes on your transcript that appear with the 971 - those will give you much better clues about what type of notice is coming your way.
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