I'm wondering if the situation might be even worse than what's apparent. If your boss is reporting 495 hours but only paying you for 412, that's 83 hours of labor they're claiming for tax purposes without actually paying you. Some shady businesses do this to inflate their business expenses (your labor cost) to reduce their taxable business income, while simultaneously not actually paying out those wages. It's a form of tax fraud that unfortunately happens in cash-heavy businesses. The big question is: is your employer paying taxes on the full $8,925 they reported to the IRS, or only on the $7,416 they actually paid you? Either way, something's not right, and you deserve to have this straightened out.

This situation is definitely not normal or acceptable. As someone who's dealt with payroll issues before, I want to emphasize that your employer is legally required to provide you with pay stubs showing gross wages, all deductions (including taxes), and net pay - regardless of whether you're paid in cash, check, or direct deposit. The fact that your boss "guessed" at your hours and over-reported by 83 hours is a major red flag. This means you're potentially paying income tax on $1,494 you never actually received (83 hours × $18/hour). That's money coming out of your pocket because of his sloppy record-keeping. You should immediately request: 1. Detailed pay stubs for all pay periods going forward 2. Written documentation showing exactly how much was withheld for federal, state, and FICA taxes 3. Proof that these tax payments were actually made to the appropriate agencies Don't let the "flexible time off" arrangement cloud your judgment here. A legitimate employer can be flexible AND follow proper payroll procedures. The two aren't mutually exclusive. You've been patient for 9 years, but this issue could affect your tax liability and credit if not resolved properly.

My tax guy explained this to me last year when I was confused. Here's a super simple way to think about it: Schedule F = You're the farmer Form 4835 = You're the landlord getting paid in crops And yes, you definitely still need Form 4562 for depreciation with either form if you have buildings, machinery, fences, etc. that you're depreciating.

One thing that might help clarify your situation is to think about the IRS "material participation" test. There are seven different tests, but the most relevant ones for farming are: 1. You participate in the farm activity for more than 500 hours during the year 2. Your participation constitutes substantially all of the participation by all individuals (including non-owners) in the activity 3. You participate more than 100 hours during the year, and your participation is not less than any other person's participation Since you mentioned you're making planting and harvesting decisions and overseeing workers, you're likely meeting the material participation test, which would make Schedule F the correct choice for your situation. The income-sharing arrangement with your parents doesn't automatically make it a rental situation - many family farming operations have informal profit-sharing agreements. However, you might want to consider formalizing this arrangement (maybe as a partnership or through a written agreement) to avoid any confusion if you're ever audited. Also, don't forget that if you use Schedule F, you can take advantage of farm-specific tax benefits like income averaging under Section 1301 if you have a large income spike in any given year!

I just went through this process myself a few months ago after having my EIC disallowed in 2022. The advice here is spot on - Form 8862 definitely needs to be attached to your Form 1040 and mailed together to your state's processing center address (you can find this in the Form 1040 instructions). I was really anxious about the whole thing, but it worked out fine in the end. A few tips from my experience: make sure you answer every question on Form 8862 completely, even the ones that seem obvious, and double-check that all your supporting documents match what you're claiming on the form. I also recommend making copies of absolutely everything before you mail it. The processing time was longer than usual - took about 10 weeks total for me - but I did eventually get my full refund. One thing that helped ease my anxiety was tracking the certified mail delivery, so I knew for sure the IRS received my package. Good luck with your recertification!

I'm new to this whole EIC recertification process and feeling pretty overwhelmed, but reading through everyone's experiences here has been incredibly helpful! It sounds like the consensus is crystal clear: Form 8862 must be attached to Form 1040 and mailed together to your state's regular processing address. I'm definitely planning to send mine certified mail for tracking purposes. One thing I'm curious about - has anyone had issues with specific sections of Form 8862 that tend to trip people up? I want to make sure I don't make any mistakes that could delay processing even further. Also, for those who have been through this successfully, did you include a cover letter explaining the situation, or just let the forms speak for themselves? Thanks to everyone sharing their real-world experiences - it's so much more helpful than trying to decipher the IRS instructions alone!

Looking at your transcript codes, this is actually really promising! The 811 "Removed refund freeze" on 01-09 means your return was indeed held up (probably for routine verification) but that hold has been lifted. The 846 code with date 01-30-2025 for $4,258.37 is the big one - that's your actual refund issued date. The $292.37 interest (code 776) is because of the delay since you filed in February. You should see the money in your account within 1-5 business days after 01-30, so likely by early February. The processing is basically done at this point!

Wow, that's an amazing breakdown of your transcript! Seeing those specific codes with dates is such a good sign. The 811 "Removed refund freeze" explains why you've been waiting so long - your return was probably flagged for routine verification but now it's cleared. That 846 code for 01-30-2025 is basically the IRS saying "we're sending your money" so you're almost there! The interest payment is actually pretty decent too for the wait you've had to endure. Fingers crossed you see that deposit hit your account in early February! 🤞

Call the Tax Advocate Service. With that amount of money and this long of a wait, they might be able to help.

That TC810 refund freeze from February is definitely the issue here. The fact that you got TC571 (resolved) in June but still no refund means there might be additional holds or manual reviews happening behind the scenes. With a refund that large compared to your income, the IRS computer systems probably flagged it for human review to verify everything is legitimate. The TC977 from 2023 could be complicating things - even though you don't remember filing an amendment, the IRS might have processed one automatically or there could be a discrepancy they're still sorting out from that year. At this point, you really need to call the IRS directly at 1-800-829-1040. Have your transcript ready and ask specifically about the TC810 hold and when it will be released. If you can't get through, definitely contact the Taxpayer Advocate Service like Romeo mentioned - they handle cases exactly like this where refunds are unreasonably delayed.