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This might be an unpopular view, but unless the loan amount is huge (like over $100k), I wouldn't worry too much about documentation. My dad loaned me $35k for grad school, and I've been paying him back $500/month for years with zero documentation. No issues whatsoever. As long as you're not trying to deduct loan interest on your taxes and the amounts aren't suspicious enough to trigger an audit, the IRS generally has bigger fish to fry. Just label your transfers as "loan repayment" if possible and keep basic records of what you've paid.
Terrible advice. The IRS can look back several years if they decide to audit you. Better to do things right the first time than risk problems later. I learned this the hard way.
You're right that documentation is ideal, but I'm just sharing my real-world experience. The IRS audits less than 1% of tax returns for people making under $200k annually. I agree it's better to do things properly, especially for larger amounts or if you're concerned about potential audit flags in your situation. My point was simply that many family loans happen informally without issues. That said, if someone has the option to document things properly from the beginning, they absolutely should.
Has anyone considered using a promissory note? I printed a template online when my sister loaned me money for car repairs. Super simple, we both signed it, and it clearly states the total amount, when it was loaned, and that no interest is being charged. Cost nothing but provides basic documentation.
Promissory notes are definitely the way to go! I'm an accountant (not giving professional advice) and this is what I recommend to friends and family. It doesn't need to be complicated - just the amount, dates, payment terms, signatures. Keep it with your tax records.
One thing no one mentioned - check if you're eligible for any of the exceptions to the 10% penalty. If your withdrawal was for: - Medical expenses exceeding 7.5% of your AGI - Higher education expenses - First-time home purchase (up to $10k) - Birth or adoption expenses - You became permanently disabled - COVID-related distributions (though this ended) Doesn't help with the regular income tax part, but could save you $2300 on the penalty.
Thank you for this list! The withdrawal was indeed for medical expenses for my mom, but I'm not sure if it would qualify since it wasn't for me or my husband directly. Do you know if medical expenses for parents would count toward this exception?
For the medical expense exception, it generally needs to be for you, your spouse, or your dependents. If your mother qualifies as your dependent for tax purposes (which has specific requirements about support provided and living situation), then her medical expenses could potentially qualify. If she's not your dependent, unfortunately those expenses likely wouldn't qualify for the exception. But it's worth checking with a tax professional to see if there are any other options based on your specific situation.
Whatever u do dont ignore this tax bill! Made that mistake with a 401k withdrawal and ended up owing wayyyy more with penalties and interest. IRS payment plans are actually pretty reasonable. Just call them (or use that callback service someone mentioned) and explain ur situation.
100% agree. The IRS is actually pretty decent to work with if you're proactive. I set up a payment plan for a similar situation and it was surprisingly easy. The interest rate is way better than credit cards too.
I did exactly what you're considering for my consulting business last year. I had about $25k in income and didn't claim about $3k in legitimate expenses so I could put more into my Solo 401k. BIG MISTAKE! My accountant later pointed out that I paid an extra $459 in self-employment taxes by doing this (15.3% of that $3k). The better approach would have been to claim all legitimate expenses, lower my SE taxes, and then just contribute more from my personal funds into the Solo 401k if I wanted to reach a certain retirement savings goal. You don't have to only contribute business income.
But doesn't that defeat the purpose? If you're using personal funds anyway, then you're still out the same amount of money, just in a different form. Or am I missing something about how the math works out?
The key difference is the self-employment tax. When you don't claim legitimate business expenses, you pay an additional 15.3% in SE taxes on that amount. So in my example, by not claiming $3,000 in expenses, I paid an extra $459 in taxes. If I had claimed those expenses, I would have saved that $459 in taxes, and could have then contributed the full $3,000 from my personal funds to the Solo 401k if I wanted to. In effect, I would have had $459 more dollars total (either to contribute or keep). So mathematically, you're always better off claiming legitimate expenses and then making contributions from your after-tax personal funds if needed.
Has anyone actually checked if not claiming legit business expenses could trigger an audit? I've always been told that the IRS algorithms flag returns that don't match expected patterns for your industry. Like if most bookkeepers claim around 20-30% expenses but you claim zero, wouldn't that look weird?
Tax preparer here (not a CPA). The IRS does use a system called the Discriminant Information Function (DIF) that scores returns based on averages for your industry. Extremely low expenses can potentially raise your DIF score, but it's just one of many factors. Generally, understating deductions is less likely to trigger an audit than overstating them, but significant deviations from industry norms in either direction can increase scrutiny.
HR Block software sometimes gets stuck in these loops when dealing with business asset disposal. Try this workaround: start a new Schedule C for the business with $0 income, then go to the assets/depreciation section. You should be able to select the truck and mark it as "disposed" or "converted to personal use" with a disposition date from last year. The key is telling the software explicitly that the asset has changed status rather than just not entering any business activity. This usually triggers the right forms and calculations to properly close out the depreciation tracking.
This is really helpful! So I should create a Schedule C even with zero income just to properly handle the truck depreciation? Will this trigger any red flags with the IRS?
Yes, create the Schedule C with zero income. This won't trigger any red flags - it's actually the proper way to handle it and prevents problems. The IRS already knows about your truck from previous years' depreciation, so they're expecting to see what happened to it. When you mark it as converted to personal use, the software will calculate if there's any "recapture" of depreciation that might be taxable. Sometimes when you convert a business asset to personal use, a portion of the previous depreciation deductions might need to be recaptured as income, depending on the fair market value versus the depreciated value on your books.
Had the same issue with a business vehicle but in TaxAct. Here's what fixed it for me: enter the Schedule C with zero income, then go to the asset/depreciation section. Enter the truck with 0% business use for the year. This tells the software the asset is still there but wasn't used for business at all. Then next year, you can properly dispose of it if the business is permanently closed. This approach avoided me having to deal with recapture calculations since technically I didn't dispose of the asset yet, just didn't use it for business in that tax year.
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16 You should check out the IRS Direct File pilot program that's expanding for the 2025 filing season! It lets you file directly with the IRS for free, completely cutting out the middleman. The catch is that it's currently limited to fairly simple tax situations, but they're expanding it to include more forms. Website is just directfile.irs.gov - worth checking if you qualify before paying anything to TurboTax or others.
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ā¢14 Does Direct File work if you have multiple W-2s and some 1099 interest? I've got 3 jobs and a savings account.
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ā¢16 Direct File should work just fine with multiple W-2s and 1099-INT forms for interest income. The 2025 version has been expanded to handle most common simple to moderate tax situations. What it still doesn't support well are things like self-employment income, rental properties, or extensive investment transactions. But for your situation with 3 jobs and a savings account, you should qualify without issues.
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4 Anyone had good experience with H&R Block's free version? They claim to be better than TurboTax for free filing but I'm suspicious after getting burned by TT's "free" claims.
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ā¢11 H&R Block's free version is slightly better than TurboTax's but they still upsell HARD once you have anything beyond basic W-2 income. I tried them last year thinking I'd save money but ended up paying almost the same as TurboTax would've charged when they forced me to upgrade for my stock sales. FreeTaxUSA or Cash App Taxes are genuinely free alternatives that don't pull the bait-and-switch.
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