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22 My sister told me that some states aren't following the federal extension and are still requiring taxes to be filed by April 15th. Can anyone confirm if this is true and which states are sticking with the original deadline? I live in Ohio if that helps.
10 I know for sure that Hawaii, Idaho, and Ohio aren't automatically following the federal extension - they're still requiring filings by April 15th unless they announce something different. Several other states are also sticking with their original deadlines. You should definitely check with the Ohio Department of Taxation directly. Their website should have the most current information, or you could call them to confirm. Don't assume your state deadline changed just because the federal one did!
This is such helpful information, thanks for sharing! I've been putting off filing because I wasn't sure about all the different deadlines. One thing I'm still confused about though - if I owe money on my 2020 taxes but can't pay the full amount by May 17th, what are my options? I know the extension covers penalties and interest until May 17th, but what happens if I still can't pay everything by then? Are there payment plan options available, or should I pay whatever I can by the deadline and then deal with penalties on the remainder?
Don't feel foolish - the tax system is complicated! One thing to consider: was this rental income ACTUALLY earned in 2024, or was it payment for the 2023 rental period that just happened to be paid in January? If it was payment for December 2023 rental that was just paid in January, some might argue it actually belongs on 2023 taxes depending on your accounting method (cash vs accrual). Might be worth clarifying this point.
This is a really good point. If you're using cash basis accounting (which most individual taxpayers do), then income is reported when received, regardless of when it was earned. But if using accrual basis, it's reported when earned, not when received. For most regular folks with rental properties, cash basis is the norm, which means OP is correct that January 2024 payment goes on 2024 taxes.
You're definitely not alone in making this mistake! I had a similar situation with some freelance income last year. One thing that really helped me was keeping detailed records of exactly when the income was received versus when it was for. In your case, since you received the rental payment on January 3rd, 2024, it should indeed go on your 2024 return regardless of what rental period it covered (assuming you use cash basis accounting like most individual taxpayers). The 1040-X process is pretty straightforward once you get started. Make sure to clearly explain in Part III that you're removing income that was mistakenly reported in the wrong tax year. I'd also recommend making copies of everything before you mail it in - the IRS has been pretty slow with processing amendments lately. One small tip: if this was a significant amount of income that affected your tax bracket or other deductions, double-check that removing it from 2023 doesn't create any other issues with things like the Earned Income Credit or other income-based calculations.
That's a really helpful point about checking how the income removal affects other tax calculations! I hadn't thought about how removing that $1950 from my 2023 return might impact things like deductions or credits. Do you know if there's an easy way to check this before filing the 1040-X? I'm wondering if I should run the numbers through tax software first to see what the overall impact would be on my 2023 taxes beyond just the income tax on that specific amount. Also, thanks for the tip about making copies - definitely going to do that given how long processing times have been lately!
I'm dealing with a similar situation right now as a federal employee taking graduate courses. One thing that helped me was requesting a detailed breakdown from HR showing exactly how they calculated the taxable portion. In my case, they had mistakenly included some fees that should have been excluded (like student activity fees and parking passes) which reduced my taxable benefit by about $800. Also, make sure they applied the $5,250 annual exclusion correctly - some payroll departments mess this up if you have courses spanning multiple calendar years. You might also want to keep detailed records of any out-of-pocket expenses you paid (books, supplies, etc.) since these could qualify for education credits even if the tuition itself was employer-paid. The IRS allows you to claim credits on qualified expenses even when the tuition was covered by your employer's taxable benefit. Don't panic too much - yes, you'll owe taxes on that amount, but it's not like you have to come up with $27k in cash. It just gets added to your regular income and taxed at your marginal rate.
This is really helpful advice! I'm new to understanding how employer education benefits work tax-wise. When you mention keeping records of out-of-pocket expenses like books and supplies - can those be used for education credits even if the courses themselves were paid by the employer? I'm a bit confused about how that works together with the taxable benefit situation. Also, do you know if there's a difference in how this gets handled if you're taking courses at the same institution where you work versus somewhere else? I imagine working at a state college might have some different rules?
Based on my experience working in tax preparation, here are a few key points that might help with your situation: First, double-check that your employer applied the $5,250 annual exclusion correctly. Sometimes HR departments make errors, especially if your courses spanned multiple tax years or if you had other educational benefits during the year. Second, the fact that you work at a state college might actually work in your favor. If any of your MBA coursework can be demonstrated as directly maintaining skills required for your current position (rather than preparing you for advancement), there may be grounds to argue for different tax treatment on those specific courses. Third, keep detailed records of ALL your out-of-pocket expenses - not just the 10% tuition you paid, but books, required software, lab fees, etc. These qualified education expenses can be used for the Lifetime Learning Credit even when the tuition itself was covered by a taxable employer benefit. Finally, consider consulting with a tax professional who specializes in education benefits. The rules around working condition fringe benefits versus educational assistance can be complex, and $27k in additional taxable income is significant enough to warrant professional guidance to ensure you're not overpaying. The good news is that this gets added to your regular income and taxed at your marginal rate - you're not facing a $27k tax bill, just the incremental tax on that amount.
This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! I'm curious about the working condition fringe benefit angle you mentioned. How exactly would someone go about demonstrating that MBA coursework maintains rather than advances skills? I'm asking because I'm in a similar boat - working at a community college and taking business courses that could arguably help with budget management and strategic planning aspects of my current role. But I'm not sure how to document or present that argument to HR or the IRS if needed. Also, when you mention consulting with a tax professional who specializes in education benefits - any tips on finding someone with that specific expertise? Most CPAs I've talked to seem to just default to "if it's over $5,250 it's taxable" without digging into the nuances.
Has anyone actually had the IRS question their handling of 402G excess contributions? I'm wondering if this is something they typically flag for review or if it's pretty routine for them.
I had this exact situation with a $490 excess contribution in 2022, and I received a notice from the IRS about a year later asking for clarification. I sent them a copy of my 1099-R showing code E and a letter explaining the situation, and they accepted it without any issues. I think what happened is their automated system initially flagged it as potentially unreported income.
I went through this exact same situation two years ago and can confirm everything that's been said here is correct. The key thing to remember is that the IRS treats 402G excess contributions returned before April 15th very differently from those returned after the deadline. Since you got your excess contribution back by mid-March, you're in the clear for the better treatment. The $364 excess amount won't be taxed again since it was already included in your 2023 W-2 income. Only any earnings on that amount during the time it was in your account will be taxable on your 2024 return. One tip for TurboTax - when you get to the section about the 1099-R, make sure you answer "Yes" when it asks if this was a return of excess contributions or similar language. The software is pretty good at handling this once you give it the right context. Also keep good records of the whole situation including any correspondence with your plan administrators, just in case you ever need to explain it later. The fact that you caught this and corrected it relatively quickly shows you're being responsible about your retirement contributions. Don't stress too much about it - this happens to a lot of people when they change jobs!
Thank you so much for the detailed explanation! This whole thread has been incredibly helpful. I was really worried I had messed something up badly with my retirement savings, but it sounds like this is more common than I thought. I'm definitely going to be more careful about tracking my contributions when I change jobs in the future. It's easy to lose track when you have multiple 401k accounts running simultaneously during a job transition. Do you happen to know if there are any good tools or spreadsheets for tracking total annual contributions across multiple plans to avoid this in the future?
Hugh Intensity
Does anyone know if the component-based depreciation approach (separating appliances, etc.) creates more audit risk? I've heard mixed things and don't want to push my luck with the IRS.
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Sophia Gabriel
ā¢Component-based depreciation is actually a well-established practice when done correctly. The key is proper documentation and consistency with your approach. If you do a professional cost segregation study, that provides strong support for your position in case of audit. The IRS has specific guidelines (look up IRS Cost Segregation Audit Techniques Guide) that they follow, so as long as your approach aligns with those, your audit risk isn't significantly increased. Just make sure everything is well-documented and you have a rational basis for the classifications you use. It's the aggressive or poorly supported segregations that tend to trigger problems.
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Hugh Intensity
ā¢Thanks for the clarification! I'll look up that audit guide you mentioned. Good to know that having proper documentation is the key factor rather than the approach itself being risky.
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Dmitry Volkov
One thing I'd add to this discussion is that you should also consider the Section 199A deduction (QBI deduction) when planning your depreciation strategy. If you're taking large depreciation deductions that reduce your rental income to zero or negative, you might be limiting your ability to claim the 20% QBI deduction on your rental profits. For some investors, it makes sense to take a more moderate approach with bonus depreciation to preserve some rental income that qualifies for the QBI deduction. This is especially relevant if you're planning to hold the property long-term and your rental income would otherwise qualify for the full 20% deduction. It's worth running the numbers both ways - maximum depreciation versus optimizing for QBI - to see which approach gives you the better overall tax benefit. Your tax situation and other income sources will determine the best strategy.
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Micah Franklin
ā¢This is such an important point that often gets overlooked! I'm dealing with this exact situation right now. I was planning to maximize my bonus depreciation to minimize taxes this year, but my CPA pointed out that zeroing out my rental income would eliminate my QBI deduction entirely. For my situation, keeping about $15k in rental income to claim the QBI deduction actually saves me more in taxes than taking the full bonus depreciation. It's definitely worth modeling both scenarios before making the decision. The interplay between these different tax provisions can be pretty complex for real estate investors. @Dmitry Volkov - do you know if there are any good calculators or tools that can help model the QBI vs. depreciation trade-off? I ended up building a spreadsheet but it would be nice to have something more sophisticated.
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