This question causes so much confusion! At our office we made a simple calendar we give clients that shows: • 2023: Year income was earned • Jan-Apr 2024: 2023 tax filing season • Apr 15, 2024: Deadline for 2023 tax returns • Apr 16-Dec 31, 2024: Late filing period for 2023 returns • 2024: Year income is currently being earned • Jan-Apr 2025: When you'll file taxes for 2024 income Having something visual really helps clients understand the offset between earning years and filing seasons!

Great question! I've been doing taxes for about 8 years now and still see this confusion all the time. Here's how I explain it to clients: "We're currently in the 2023 tax filing season" - this is usually what they want to know. We're filing returns for income earned in 2023, with a deadline of April 15, 2024. But I always follow up with: "Is there something specific you're trying to figure out?" Because sometimes they're asking about: - Whether they missed a deadline (2023 returns) - What year to put on forms they're filling out now (2024) - When their next tax return will be due (2024 taxes due April 2025) The key is not assuming what they mean by "tax year." I've found that about half the time, they're really asking "Am I late filing something?" rather than wanting a technical explanation of tax years vs. filing seasons. One phrase that works well: "Right now we're filing 2023 tax returns, but if you're earning money today, that goes on next year's return." Keeps it simple but covers both scenarios!

Has anyone actually calculated the annual costs of maintaining an LLC vs S-Corp for rentals? My CPA charges: - $800 for LLC tax return - $1,200 for S-Corp tax return plus - $600 for payroll if S-Corp Plus NY has that stupid LLC publication requirement that costs around $1,000 depending on which county your property is in! I'm wondering if the liability protection is even worth all these extra costs for a single duplex?

The cost analysis is really important and often overlooked! For NY specifically, you're also dealing with the LLC publication requirement which can be brutal - I paid almost $1,200 for mine in Nassau County. But here's the thing - you don't need an LLC to cost $800+ annually. If you keep it as a single-member disregarded entity, there's no separate tax return at all. The rental income just flows through to your Schedule E on your personal return. Your CPA is probably quoting you the price for a multi-member LLC taxed as a partnership, which does require Form 1065. For liability protection on a single duplex, consider whether adequate landlord insurance plus an umbrella policy might give you similar protection at a fraction of the cost. Many investors find that $1-2M in umbrella coverage costs under $300/year and covers most realistic liability scenarios. That said, if you're planning to grow your portfolio, the LLC makes more sense as a long-term strategy. Just make sure you're not paying for unnecessary tax filings!

Has anyone used Rev. Proc. 96-10 for a partnership division? My understanding is it provides a safe harbor for certain types of partnership splits.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is the importance of timing your division carefully. The IRS looks at the entire series of transactions, not just individual steps, when evaluating disguised sales under Section 707(a)(2)(B). Since you mentioned the real estate has significant appreciation, you'll want to be particularly careful about how debt allocations are handled. If any partner receives a reduction in their share of partnership debt as part of the division, that could be treated as a deemed cash distribution and trigger disguised sale treatment. Also, make sure to document the business purpose for the split thoroughly. The IRS is more likely to respect the transaction if you can show legitimate business reasons (like different investment strategies, geographic focus, or management philosophies) rather than just tax avoidance motives. Given the $875K value involved, I'd strongly recommend getting a second opinion from a tax professional who specializes in partnership taxation before proceeding. The potential tax consequences of getting this wrong could be substantial.

Something important that nobody has mentioned yet - make sure you're using the CURRENT W-7 form! The IRS updated the form in September 2021, and they will automatically reject applications using the old version. Also, when you're listing your reason for applying, check box "h" for "Other" and then write in "Exception 1(d) - Monetary Assets: Unclaimed Property" in the space provided. This makes it crystal clear from the start what you're applying for. In my case, I also included a cover letter explaining my situation in simple terms at the front of my application package. The cover letter referenced all the attached documents and how they supported my application under Exception 1(d). My approval came through in just 6 weeks.

This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with a similar situation where I have unclaimed property from an old Wells Fargo account that was closed due to inactivity. The state is requiring an ITIN before they'll release the funds. Based on all the advice here, I'm planning to: 1. Use Exception 1(d) for monetary assets 2. Download the current W-7 form (Rev. September 2021) from the IRS website 3. Request a specific letter from the state treasurer that explicitly states an ITIN is required for my claim 4. Include a cover letter clearly explaining my situation One question though - for those who were successful, how long did it typically take to get the proper documentation from your state's unclaimed property office? I'm worried they might give me the runaround like they seem to do with a lot of people. Also, should I mention in my request to the state that the letter needs to be worded specifically for IRS ITIN requirements, or is it better to just ask for confirmation that an ITIN is needed without getting too technical?

This exact thing happened to me with E*TRADE last year! It was an absolute nightmare. They applied backup withholding to my entire trade amount for THREE MONTHS before it got sorted out. What fixed it: Called and specifically asked to speak to their "Tax Operations" department (not regular customer service). Had to explicitly tell them they were applying backup withholding to principal amounts incorrectly. Regular reps kept insisting it was correct until I got to someone who actually understood tax regulations. Good luck!

This is a really helpful thread! I'm a foreign investor who just opened a US brokerage account and I want to make sure I don't run into the same issues. From reading all the responses, it sounds like the key points are: 1. As a non-US person, I should file W-8BEN, not W-9 2. Backup withholding should NEVER apply to principal investment amounts - only to gains/dividends 3. If incorrectly applied, I need to specifically request a refund from the broker's Tax Operations department One question I still have: How can I verify upfront that my broker has my forms processed correctly before I start trading? Is there a way to confirm my account status to avoid this whole mess in the first place? I'd rather be proactive than deal with getting money back later. Also, does anyone know if different brokers handle this differently, or are the IRS rules pretty standard across all platforms?