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Has anyone used Rev. Proc. 96-10 for a partnership division? My understanding is it provides a safe harbor for certain types of partnership splits.

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NeonNebula

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Rev. Proc. 96-10 was actually superseded by later guidance. You're better off looking at Rev. Proc. 2018-3 which addresses the current IRS position on partnership divisions. The key factors they look at now include business purpose, continuity of partnership business, and whether partners maintain substantially the same interests.

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Ellie Simpson

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One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is the importance of timing your division carefully. The IRS looks at the entire series of transactions, not just individual steps, when evaluating disguised sales under Section 707(a)(2)(B). Since you mentioned the real estate has significant appreciation, you'll want to be particularly careful about how debt allocations are handled. If any partner receives a reduction in their share of partnership debt as part of the division, that could be treated as a deemed cash distribution and trigger disguised sale treatment. Also, make sure to document the business purpose for the split thoroughly. The IRS is more likely to respect the transaction if you can show legitimate business reasons (like different investment strategies, geographic focus, or management philosophies) rather than just tax avoidance motives. Given the $875K value involved, I'd strongly recommend getting a second opinion from a tax professional who specializes in partnership taxation before proceeding. The potential tax consequences of getting this wrong could be substantial.

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Ethan Moore

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This is really helpful - the debt allocation piece is something our CPA mentioned briefly but didn't elaborate on. Can you explain more about how a reduction in debt share triggers deemed distributions? In our case, the Old LLC has about $350K in mortgage debt on the real estate, and I'm not sure how that gets allocated when we split. Does it matter if the debt stays with the property that's being transferred, or do we need to maintain proportional debt shares across both entities?

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Something important that nobody has mentioned yet - make sure you're using the CURRENT W-7 form! The IRS updated the form in September 2021, and they will automatically reject applications using the old version. Also, when you're listing your reason for applying, check box "h" for "Other" and then write in "Exception 1(d) - Monetary Assets: Unclaimed Property" in the space provided. This makes it crystal clear from the start what you're applying for. In my case, I also included a cover letter explaining my situation in simple terms at the front of my application package. The cover letter referenced all the attached documents and how they supported my application under Exception 1(d). My approval came through in just 6 weeks.

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QuantumQuest

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Thanks for this important tip! I just checked and I think I was using an older version of the W-7 form. Where can I find the most current version? Is it available on the IRS website? The cover letter is a smart idea too. Did you include anything specific in yours that you think helped with the approval process?

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You can find the current W-7 form on the IRS website: https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw7.pdf - always download it directly from there to ensure you have the latest version. The current one says "Rev. September 2021" in the top right corner. For the cover letter, I kept it simple and professional - just one page that clearly stated: 1) I'm applying for an ITIN under Exception 1(d) for monetary assets, 2) I need the ITIN solely to claim property held by [state] treasurer's office, 3) A list of all documents enclosed, and 4) Contact information if they needed anything else. I think being super clear about the exception category and purpose helped prevent my application from going into the wrong processing queue. Good luck!

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Zoe Stavros

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with a similar situation where I have unclaimed property from an old Wells Fargo account that was closed due to inactivity. The state is requiring an ITIN before they'll release the funds. Based on all the advice here, I'm planning to: 1. Use Exception 1(d) for monetary assets 2. Download the current W-7 form (Rev. September 2021) from the IRS website 3. Request a specific letter from the state treasurer that explicitly states an ITIN is required for my claim 4. Include a cover letter clearly explaining my situation One question though - for those who were successful, how long did it typically take to get the proper documentation from your state's unclaimed property office? I'm worried they might give me the runaround like they seem to do with a lot of people. Also, should I mention in my request to the state that the letter needs to be worded specifically for IRS ITIN requirements, or is it better to just ask for confirmation that an ITIN is needed without getting too technical?

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StarSeeker

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Great summary of the steps! For your questions about timing and wording with the state office: I found it took about 2-3 weeks to get the proper letter from my state's unclaimed property division, but I had to be very specific about what I needed. Don't just ask for "confirmation that an ITIN is needed" - that's too vague and you'll likely get generic language that won't satisfy the IRS. Instead, tell them exactly what you need: "I require a formal letter stating that an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) is mandatory for the release of unclaimed property claim #[your claim number]. Please include my full name as it appears on my identification documents, the specific claim amount, and explicitly state that the ITIN is required before funds can be released." If the first person you speak with doesn't understand, ask to be transferred to a supervisor. Some states have dealt with this situation before and have template language they can use. Others might need you to explain why the specific wording matters for federal tax identification purposes. One tip: when you call, mention that this is for IRS documentation requirements. That usually gets their attention and makes them take the request more seriously. Good luck!

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This exact thing happened to me with E*TRADE last year! It was an absolute nightmare. They applied backup withholding to my entire trade amount for THREE MONTHS before it got sorted out. What fixed it: Called and specifically asked to speak to their "Tax Operations" department (not regular customer service). Had to explicitly tell them they were applying backup withholding to principal amounts incorrectly. Regular reps kept insisting it was correct until I got to someone who actually understood tax regulations. Good luck!

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Did they refund all the incorrectly withheld amounts after getting it fixed? How long did that process take? I'm in a similar situation with TD Ameritrade right now.

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Joy Olmedo

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This is a really helpful thread! I'm a foreign investor who just opened a US brokerage account and I want to make sure I don't run into the same issues. From reading all the responses, it sounds like the key points are: 1. As a non-US person, I should file W-8BEN, not W-9 2. Backup withholding should NEVER apply to principal investment amounts - only to gains/dividends 3. If incorrectly applied, I need to specifically request a refund from the broker's Tax Operations department One question I still have: How can I verify upfront that my broker has my forms processed correctly before I start trading? Is there a way to confirm my account status to avoid this whole mess in the first place? I'd rather be proactive than deal with getting money back later. Also, does anyone know if different brokers handle this differently, or are the IRS rules pretty standard across all platforms?

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Check if your housing might qualify as excludable under Section 119 of the tax code! If the housing was provided for the "convenience of the employer" and on the employer's premises, and you were required to accept the housing as a condition of employment, it might not be taxable. Worth looking into before you amend!

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Emma Morales

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This is incorrect advice for an internship situation. Section 119 almost never applies to urban internship housing. The "on the employer's premises" requirement is very strict and a Manhattan apartment wouldn't qualify. Source: I'm a CPA who deals with this exact issue regularly.

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I went through something very similar last year with a tech company that forgot to report my relocation bonus. The whole process was honestly less scary than I expected once I got started. A few practical tips from my experience: First, gather all your documents from that tax year (original W2, W2C, your filed return, any records of the housing arrangement). The IRS will want to see everything matches up. Second, if you used tax software originally, most programs like TurboTax or H&R Block have tools specifically for amended returns that walk you through the W2C situation step by step. One thing that surprised me - I actually ended up getting a small state refund because the additional federal tax I owed put me in a higher bracket that qualified for a bigger state deduction. So it's not always doom and gloom! The interest on what you owe will probably be manageable since it's only been 3 years, not like 10. Definitely don't wait though. The company already sent the corrected info to the IRS, so their computers will eventually flag the mismatch anyway. Better to handle it on your terms.

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This is really helpful to hear from someone who actually went through it! I'm definitely feeling less panicked now. Quick question - when you say you got a state refund, does that mean you had to file amended state returns too? I'm in New York and worked in Manhattan, so I'm wondering if I need to deal with both state and city taxes on this housing benefit. The whole multi-jurisdiction thing is making my head spin.

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Revocable Trust owns LLC that runs Amazon FBA business - Should income go on 1040 Schedule C or 1065?

I need some guidance from people who've dealt with this particular tax structure before. My wife and I are the grantors and co-trustees of a Revocable Trust that we set up last year. The Trust completely owns an LLC which runs our Amazon FBA business selling handmade jewelry. We live in Georgia (not a community property state) and we haven't made any special tax elections for the LLC. I'm trying to figure out how to properly report the business income from this arrangement. The way I see it, the LLC is a Single-Member LLC owned by the Trust, which makes it a disregarded entity for tax purposes. And since our Revocable Trust is a grantor trust (also disregarded), it seems like my wife and I should report the income on our personal tax return. But here's where I'm confused: 1. Should we report the business income on our 1040 using Schedule C, or do we need to file a Form 1065 partnership return? 2. If we use Schedule C, should we file two separate ones (one for each of us) or just one? I've researched this and understand that: - The LLC is a SMLLC owned by the Trust (disregarded entity) - Our Revocable Trust is a grantor trust (also disregarded) - An LLC owned by spouses in a non-community property state typically files Form 1065 - But since the LLC is owned by the Trust and not directly by us, maybe it's still just a SMLLC disregarded entity Anyone have experience with this specific setup? Appreciate any insights from knowledgeable folks.

One thing nobody's mentioned yet - what's the actual benefit you're trying to achieve with this structure? If it's just liability protection, there might be simpler ways to structure this. I had a Revocable Trust -> LLC structure for my business initially, and it was a huge headache for taxes. I ended up restructuring to simplify things. If it's for estate planning, have you considered whether a SMLLC owned by one spouse (with appropriate estate planning) might achieve your goals with less complexity? Or potentially an irrevocable trust structure if you're looking for asset protection?

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Evelyn Kim

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The main reason we set it up this way was for probate avoidance and simplified transfer if something happens to either of us. We have young kids and wanted to make sure the business could continue operating smoothly if either of us passed away unexpectedly. We did consider having just one of us own the LLC, but since we both actively work in the business, we wanted the structure to reflect our actual roles. The revocable trust seemed like a good solution for keeping everything under one umbrella, but I'm definitely open to simplifying if this creates unnecessary tax complexity.

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That makes sense for probate avoidance, but you might be overcomplicating things. A revocable trust can own business interests directly without needing the LLC layer in between if you're mainly concerned about probate. If you want liability protection AND probate avoidance, you might consider having the LLC owned directly by you and your wife (as joint tenants with right of survivorship or as tenants by the entirety if Georgia allows it), then creating transfer on death provisions in your operating agreement that specify how ownership transfers. This would still provide liability protection while simplifying the tax structure. For business continuity with minor children, you could include specific succession planning provisions in your operating agreement and potentially use life insurance held in an irrevocable trust to provide liquidity. I'd recommend consulting with an estate planning attorney who specializes in business succession planning - they might be able to suggest a cleaner structure that accomplishes your goals without creating tax filing complexity.

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Levi Parker

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Based on everything discussed here, it seems pretty clear that you'll need to file Form 1065 for your LLC. The consensus from multiple experienced folks is that the IRS will look through both disregarded entities (your revocable trust and the SMLLC) and see two ultimate beneficial owners in a non-community property state. I'd suggest getting this confirmed officially before filing, especially since you mentioned this is your first year with this structure. The penalty risks for filing incorrectly on partnership returns can be significant. Also, for next year's planning, you might want to evaluate whether this structure is still serving your needs. From what you've described about wanting probate avoidance and business continuity, there might be simpler ways to achieve those goals without the Form 1065 complexity. An estate planning attorney who works with business owners could probably show you some alternatives that accomplish the same objectives with cleaner tax reporting. Good luck with your filing - and congratulations on the successful Amazon FBA business!

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Nia Jackson

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This is really helpful - thank you for summarizing everything so clearly! As someone who's been lurking on tax forums trying to figure out similar issues, it's great to see such a thorough discussion with practical advice. One quick follow-up question for the group: if they do end up filing Form 1065, are there any specific things to watch out for in terms of how to allocate the income between the spouses on the K-1s? Since they're both actively working in the business, I assume it would be 50/50, but I'm wondering if there are any nuances with the trust ownership structure that might affect this. Also, @4d3a8e299772, have you considered whether you need to make quarterly estimated payments differently now that you're potentially moving from Schedule C to partnership taxation? The timing and calculation might be slightly different.

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