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Anyone know if you can get in trouble for deliberately overpaying? Like could the IRS see it as some kind of weird fraud attempt? I did it last year and my refund has been "under review" for 9 months!!!
I used to think the same way - just overpay and avoid the stress! But after learning more about taxes, I realize this approach actually costs you money in multiple ways. The biggest issue is opportunity cost. When you overpay by thousands of dollars, you're essentially giving the government a free loan for months while waiting for your refund. That money could be earning interest in a high-yield savings account, paying down credit card debt, or invested in your retirement account. Also, contrary to what many people think, the IRS doesn't actually know your complete tax picture. They receive your W-2s and 1099s, but they don't know about: - Charitable donations you made - Medical expenses that might be deductible - Education credits you qualify for - Child tax credits or dependent care expenses - Business expenses if you're self-employed - State and local tax deductions By just overpaying without filing properly, you could be missing out on legitimate deductions and credits worth hundreds or thousands of dollars. The tax code is complex, but that complexity often includes benefits designed to help taxpayers - you just have to claim them properly. A better approach is to adjust your withholdings throughout the year to get as close to your actual tax liability as possible, then file accurately to claim all the deductions and credits you're entitled to.
This is such a helpful breakdown! I never really thought about the opportunity cost aspect before. Quick question though - how do you figure out the right withholding amount to get close to zero? I feel like my financial situation changes throughout the year with bonuses, side income, etc. Is there a way to adjust withholdings mid-year without it getting complicated?
One quick warning based on personal experience - make sure your LLC partnership is correctly reporting your status as a foreign partner on the K-1! There's a specific box they need to check, and they should be completing the foreign partner information in Box 20. Many U.S. accountants don't deal with foreign partners often and mess this up. If your K-1 doesn't properly identify you as a foreign partner, you might face issues with the IRS later when they try to reconcile your 1040-NR with partnership reporting.
Is there a specific form or tax treatment the partnership needs to handle for foreign partners? Our partnership accountant seems clueless about having non-US partners and I want to make sure they're doing everything correctly on their end.
Yes, the partnership needs to handle several specific requirements for foreign partners. They should be filing Form 8805 to report withholding on effectively connected income allocated to foreign partners, and they need to issue you Form 8813 showing any tax withheld on your behalf. On your K-1, they should check the "Foreign partner" box and complete Box 20 with foreign partner-specific allocations and any treaty benefits. The partnership also needs to withhold tax under Section 1446 on your share of effectively connected income (even if it's a loss in your case, they need to track this properly for future years). I'd recommend giving your partnership accountant IRS Publication 541 (Partnerships) and specifically pointing them to the sections on foreign partners. If they're still confused, they might need to consult with a tax professional who has experience with international partnership taxation.
Great question! I went through this exact situation last year as a non-US person with partnership losses. You absolutely need to file Form 1040-NR even with no income - the key is that you were "engaged in a trade or business in the US" through your LLC partnership. A few important points from my experience: 1. File even with losses - you can carry these forward to offset future partnership income 2. Make sure your LLC properly marked you as a foreign partner on the K-1 (Box 20 should have foreign partner allocations) 3. You'll report the K-1 losses on Schedule E, which attaches to your 1040-NR 4. If you don't have an ITIN yet, you can apply for one when you file using Form W-7 The filing requirement isn't about having income - it's about being engaged in US business activity. Since you received a K-1 as an active partner, you meet this threshold. Don't skip filing or you could lose the ability to use these losses against future profits!
This is really helpful, thank you! I'm in a similar situation as the original poster. One question - you mentioned that losses can be carried forward to offset future partnership income. Do you know if there are any limitations on how long these losses can be carried forward, or any special rules that apply specifically to foreign partners? Also, when you filed your 1040-NR with the partnership losses, did you need to include any additional documentation beyond the K-1 and Schedule E?
Great question about loss carryforwards! For foreign partners, the same general rules apply - partnership losses can be carried forward indefinitely until used, but there are some nuances. The losses are subject to basis limitations (you can only deduct losses up to your basis in the partnership), and as a foreign partner, you need to track your basis carefully since it affects future effectively connected income calculations. Regarding additional documentation, beyond the K-1 and Schedule E, I also included a statement explaining my foreign partner status and any applicable tax treaty benefits (since I'm from a country with a US tax treaty). Some tax professionals recommend including a brief explanation of your non-US person status to help the IRS process your return correctly. One thing to watch out for - if your partnership generates income in future years, you'll want to make sure you're tracking these loss carryforwards properly since they can significantly reduce your US tax liability. Keep good records of your basis adjustments from year to year!
Has anyone used TurboSelf-Employed for tracking these kinds of expenses? My accountant charges me a fortune and I'm wondering if I could DIY with the right software.
I switched from TurboSelf to QuickBooks Self-Employed last year and it's way better for expense tracking. It connects to your bank accounts and credit cards, and you can categorize expenses on your phone as they happen. It also calculates quarterly estimated tax payments which was a huge help. More expensive but worth it for me.
Great question! I've been self-employed for about 5 years now and have dealt with this exact situation multiple times. The key thing to remember is that you can't deduct the value of your time, but you absolutely can deduct legitimate business expenses incurred during client acquisition. Since you mentioned spending 80 hours over two weeks, I'd suggest going back through that period and documenting every actual expense you had. This might include gas/mileage if you drove to meetings, any materials you purchased for the proposal, software subscriptions you used, coffee/meals during client meetings (50% deductible), and even a portion of your home office expenses if you qualify. One thing that helped me was creating a simple spreadsheet to track all expenses by potential client, even when deals don't close. That way I have documentation ready at tax time. The IRS allows these client acquisition costs as ordinary and necessary business expenses on Schedule C, but good record-keeping is essential. Also, since this client did sign the contract, all those expenses are clearly legitimate business costs that led to actual revenue. Make sure to keep copies of your SOW, meeting notes, and any receipts from that period.
This is really helpful advice! I'm new to self-employment and honestly had no idea I could deduct things like mileage and home office expenses for client acquisition work. I've been doing freelance graphic design for about 6 months now and spend a lot of time creating custom portfolio pieces and proposals for potential clients. Your spreadsheet idea is brilliant - I've been terrible about tracking expenses because I wasn't sure what counted. Do you have any recommendations for what categories to include? I'm thinking mileage, software subscriptions, printing costs... what else should I be tracking that I might be missing? Also, when you mention "portion of home office expenses" - how do you calculate that if you're working on multiple projects from the same space? Do you allocate based on time spent on each client or is there a different method?
Did you check your loan agreement? Should tell you exactly where that other 1500 went
tbh i ain't even read it just signed where they told me to š
This is exactly why I always tell people to be super careful with these advance loan places. They make it sound like easy money but the fees and interest can eat up a huge chunk of what you're expecting. For future reference, you can actually check the status of your real IRS refund for free on the IRS website using "Where's My Refund" - no need to pay these companies hundreds in fees just to get your own money a few weeks early.
Giovanni Rossi
This is exactly what happened to me in 2018! The sequence of codes 613 followed by 612 is frustrating but actually gives you valuable information - it proves the IRS received and initially processed your payment before something went wrong. In my case, I had written the wrong tax year on my payment voucher (wrote 2017 instead of 2018), so they applied it to the wrong year initially, then reversed it when they couldn't match it to a return. The money sat in a suspense account for months while I was getting notices about unpaid taxes. When I finally got through to the IRS, they found my payment within 10 minutes using the check number and amount. They transferred it to the correct year and refunded the penalties they had charged me. The whole thing was resolved in one phone call once I reached the right person. Don't panic - your money is definitely in their system somewhere. Bring your bank statement, the check number, and those transaction codes when you call. Ask specifically for a payment trace and mention you can see codes 613/612 on your transcript. This will help the agent understand exactly what happened.
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Rachel Clark
ā¢This is really reassuring to hear from someone who went through the exact same thing! The wrong tax year on the payment voucher makes total sense - I'm now wondering if I might have made a similar mistake when I sent mine in. Did you have to fill out any additional forms when you called, or were they able to transfer the payment just based on your phone conversation? I'm hoping to get this resolved quickly since they've already taken my 2020 refund to cover what they think I owe. Also, do you remember roughly how long the whole process took from when they found the payment to when you received confirmation that it was properly applied?
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Sebastian Scott
ā¢They were able to transfer the payment during the phone call - no additional forms needed! The agent just needed to verify my identity and confirm the check details I provided matched what they saw in their system. The actual transfer happened immediately while I was on the phone, but it took about 2-3 weeks for my account transcript to reflect the change and for them to mail me an updated notice showing the corrected balance. They also automatically refunded the penalties and interest within that same timeframe. Since they've already offset your 2020 refund, once they locate and properly apply your 2019 payment, they should issue a refund check for the amount they incorrectly took. In my case, that refund came about 4-6 weeks after the phone call, but that was because I had to wait for the next refund processing cycle.
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CosmicCaptain
This is incredibly helpful information from everyone! As someone dealing with a similar transcript issue right now, I'm seeing the same 613/612 code sequence on my 2020 return. Reading through all these responses, it sounds like the key takeaways are: 1) The money isn't lost, just misallocated somewhere in the IRS system, 2) Having the bank statement with the cleared check and exact codes ready when calling is crucial, and 3) Asking specifically for a "payment tracer" or "IDRS check payment trace" will get you to the right department faster. I'm definitely going to try the landline tip when I call - I had no idea that could make a difference with their phone system disconnecting people. Has anyone had success calling early in the morning versus later in the day? I'm wondering if there are better times to get through to an actual person.
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