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Can someone clarify the consequences if you're past the statute of limitations but you OWED money to the IRS? I'm in a similar situation where I made mistakes on older returns, but in my case I underreported some income. Getting nervous about what happens now.
If you're past the statute of limitations (generally 3 years) and you owed money to the IRS, technically they cannot assess additional tax or initiate collection actions against you. However, there are important exceptions: There's a 6-year statute of limitations if you omitted more than 25% of your gross income. And there's no statute of limitations for fraudulent returns or if you never filed a return at all. That said, voluntarily coming forward to correct errors shows good faith, which can help if there are any questions about whether the errors were intentional. The IRS generally views deliberate tax evasion much more seriously than honest mistakes.
I've been following this thread closely since I'm dealing with a similar situation with my 2019 and 2020 returns. One thing I want to add that hasn't been mentioned yet is the importance of checking if you qualify for any penalty relief programs. Even if you're within the statute of limitations and need to pay additional tax, the IRS has first-time penalty abatement and reasonable cause relief options that can waive penalties for honest mistakes. I discovered this when I had to amend my 2020 return - while I did owe additional tax, they waived all the penalties because I had a clean compliance history and could demonstrate reasonable cause for the error. Also, if anyone is still unsure about their specific situation, I'd recommend getting your tax transcripts from the IRS website first. They show exactly when your returns were filed and processed, which helps you calculate the exact statute of limitations dates for your amendments. It's free and gives you all the key dates you need to know.
Anyone know if you can get in trouble for deliberately overpaying? Like could the IRS see it as some kind of weird fraud attempt? I did it last year and my refund has been "under review" for 9 months!!!
I used to think the same way - just overpay and avoid the stress! But after learning more about taxes, I realize this approach actually costs you money in multiple ways. The biggest issue is opportunity cost. When you overpay by thousands of dollars, you're essentially giving the government a free loan for months while waiting for your refund. That money could be earning interest in a high-yield savings account, paying down credit card debt, or invested in your retirement account. Also, contrary to what many people think, the IRS doesn't actually know your complete tax picture. They receive your W-2s and 1099s, but they don't know about: - Charitable donations you made - Medical expenses that might be deductible - Education credits you qualify for - Child tax credits or dependent care expenses - Business expenses if you're self-employed - State and local tax deductions By just overpaying without filing properly, you could be missing out on legitimate deductions and credits worth hundreds or thousands of dollars. The tax code is complex, but that complexity often includes benefits designed to help taxpayers - you just have to claim them properly. A better approach is to adjust your withholdings throughout the year to get as close to your actual tax liability as possible, then file accurately to claim all the deductions and credits you're entitled to.
This is such a helpful breakdown! I never really thought about the opportunity cost aspect before. Quick question though - how do you figure out the right withholding amount to get close to zero? I feel like my financial situation changes throughout the year with bonuses, side income, etc. Is there a way to adjust withholdings mid-year without it getting complicated?
This is exactly what happened to me in 2018! The sequence of codes 613 followed by 612 is frustrating but actually gives you valuable information - it proves the IRS received and initially processed your payment before something went wrong. In my case, I had written the wrong tax year on my payment voucher (wrote 2017 instead of 2018), so they applied it to the wrong year initially, then reversed it when they couldn't match it to a return. The money sat in a suspense account for months while I was getting notices about unpaid taxes. When I finally got through to the IRS, they found my payment within 10 minutes using the check number and amount. They transferred it to the correct year and refunded the penalties they had charged me. The whole thing was resolved in one phone call once I reached the right person. Don't panic - your money is definitely in their system somewhere. Bring your bank statement, the check number, and those transaction codes when you call. Ask specifically for a payment trace and mention you can see codes 613/612 on your transcript. This will help the agent understand exactly what happened.
This is really reassuring to hear from someone who went through the exact same thing! The wrong tax year on the payment voucher makes total sense - I'm now wondering if I might have made a similar mistake when I sent mine in. Did you have to fill out any additional forms when you called, or were they able to transfer the payment just based on your phone conversation? I'm hoping to get this resolved quickly since they've already taken my 2020 refund to cover what they think I owe. Also, do you remember roughly how long the whole process took from when they found the payment to when you received confirmation that it was properly applied?
They were able to transfer the payment during the phone call - no additional forms needed! The agent just needed to verify my identity and confirm the check details I provided matched what they saw in their system. The actual transfer happened immediately while I was on the phone, but it took about 2-3 weeks for my account transcript to reflect the change and for them to mail me an updated notice showing the corrected balance. They also automatically refunded the penalties and interest within that same timeframe. Since they've already offset your 2020 refund, once they locate and properly apply your 2019 payment, they should issue a refund check for the amount they incorrectly took. In my case, that refund came about 4-6 weeks after the phone call, but that was because I had to wait for the next refund processing cycle.
This is incredibly helpful information from everyone! As someone dealing with a similar transcript issue right now, I'm seeing the same 613/612 code sequence on my 2020 return. Reading through all these responses, it sounds like the key takeaways are: 1) The money isn't lost, just misallocated somewhere in the IRS system, 2) Having the bank statement with the cleared check and exact codes ready when calling is crucial, and 3) Asking specifically for a "payment tracer" or "IDRS check payment trace" will get you to the right department faster. I'm definitely going to try the landline tip when I call - I had no idea that could make a difference with their phone system disconnecting people. Has anyone had success calling early in the morning versus later in the day? I'm wondering if there are better times to get through to an actual person.
Has anyone used TurboSelf-Employed for tracking these kinds of expenses? My accountant charges me a fortune and I'm wondering if I could DIY with the right software.
I switched from TurboSelf to QuickBooks Self-Employed last year and it's way better for expense tracking. It connects to your bank accounts and credit cards, and you can categorize expenses on your phone as they happen. It also calculates quarterly estimated tax payments which was a huge help. More expensive but worth it for me.
Great question! I've been self-employed for about 5 years now and have dealt with this exact situation multiple times. The key thing to remember is that you can't deduct the value of your time, but you absolutely can deduct legitimate business expenses incurred during client acquisition. Since you mentioned spending 80 hours over two weeks, I'd suggest going back through that period and documenting every actual expense you had. This might include gas/mileage if you drove to meetings, any materials you purchased for the proposal, software subscriptions you used, coffee/meals during client meetings (50% deductible), and even a portion of your home office expenses if you qualify. One thing that helped me was creating a simple spreadsheet to track all expenses by potential client, even when deals don't close. That way I have documentation ready at tax time. The IRS allows these client acquisition costs as ordinary and necessary business expenses on Schedule C, but good record-keeping is essential. Also, since this client did sign the contract, all those expenses are clearly legitimate business costs that led to actual revenue. Make sure to keep copies of your SOW, meeting notes, and any receipts from that period.
This is really helpful advice! I'm new to self-employment and honestly had no idea I could deduct things like mileage and home office expenses for client acquisition work. I've been doing freelance graphic design for about 6 months now and spend a lot of time creating custom portfolio pieces and proposals for potential clients. Your spreadsheet idea is brilliant - I've been terrible about tracking expenses because I wasn't sure what counted. Do you have any recommendations for what categories to include? I'm thinking mileage, software subscriptions, printing costs... what else should I be tracking that I might be missing? Also, when you mention "portion of home office expenses" - how do you calculate that if you're working on multiple projects from the same space? Do you allocate based on time spent on each client or is there a different method?
Zara Ahmed
Someone told me you could get in big trouble for having the wrong filing status on your W-4. Is this true or just another tax myth??
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Luca Conti
ā¢Total myth. The W-4 is just for withholding - it doesn't determine your actual tax liability. As long as you file your tax return with your correct status, you're fine. The IRS doesn't penalize people for overwithholding!
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Sayid Hassan
This is actually a really common mistake, and you're definitely not alone in dealing with this! I went through something similar when I switched jobs a few years ago. The good news is that everyone here is right - you won't get in trouble with the IRS, and you'll likely get a nice refund since they've been overwithholding from your paychecks. One thing I'd suggest is to document all your attempts to get HR to fix this. Keep emails, notes from phone calls, etc. While it shouldn't be necessary, having a paper trail can be helpful if there are any delays or complications down the road. Also, once they do fix your W-4, you might want to use the IRS withholding calculator (on their official website) to double-check that your new withholding amount looks reasonable for the rest of the year. Since you've already had extra taxes taken out for several months, you might want to adjust your withholding to account for that so you don't end up with an enormous refund (some people prefer getting their money throughout the year rather than waiting for tax season). Hang in there - this will get sorted out and you'll get that money back!
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Landon Flounder
ā¢This is really helpful advice about documenting everything! I've been dealing with a similar situation at my company and didn't think about keeping records of all my attempts to get it fixed. Quick question - when you used the IRS withholding calculator, did you find it pretty straightforward to use? I've heard mixed things about how user-friendly it is, and I want to make sure I get the adjustments right once my HR finally fixes my W-4. Also, do you remember roughly how long it took your company to actually process the W-4 change once they agreed to fix it? I'm hoping it won't take several more pay periods for the correction to show up on my paystubs.
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