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This happened to me and it turned out to be my student loan payment! The servicer had changed and it was listed as "DEPT ED/TAX" on my statement which I totally misread as a tax charge. Check if you have any student loans in repayment - the labels can be super confusing.
Yes! This happened to me too. My federal student loan payment showed up as "DEPT TREASURY" something on my bank statement and I panicked thinking it was the IRS. The banks use the weirdest abbreviations for these things.
Isabella, I feel for you - this exact situation happened to me two years ago and I was terrified! In my case, it turned out to be an offset for unpaid back taxes from 2019 that I had completely forgotten about. The IRS had applied my expected refund to that old debt and then withdrawn the difference from my account. What saved me was logging into my IRS online account immediately - you can create one at irs.gov with your Social Security number and some identity verification. Once you're in, look at your "Account Transcript" which will show ALL recent activity including any offsets, adjustments, or automatic withdrawals. The transcript will also show if there are any notices that were supposed to be mailed to you. Sometimes these get lost or sent to old addresses. If you see notices listed there that you never received, you can actually view and download them directly from your online account. Don't panic about the rent money just yet - if this was an IRS error, they do reverse transactions, though it can take a few weeks. But getting into that online account should give you answers within minutes rather than waiting hours on the phone. Good luck!
This is really helpful advice! I'm dealing with a similar mystery charge and hadn't thought about checking for old tax debts. Quick question - when you say "offset for unpaid back taxes," does that mean the IRS can just take money from your bank account even if you're expecting a refund? I thought they would at least send multiple notices before doing something like that. Also, how far back can they go to collect on old tax debts?
Great question! Yes, the IRS can definitely offset (meaning apply) your expected refund to old tax debts without taking money directly from your bank account first. What they do is intercept your refund before it gets to you and apply it to the old balance. If your refund doesn't cover the full amount owed, THEN they can initiate bank withdrawals - but only if you previously gave them authorization to do automatic payments. They're supposed to send notices before taking these actions, but sometimes people miss them or they go to old addresses. As for how far back they can go - there's generally a 10-year statute of limitations for collecting tax debts, but there are exceptions that can extend this period. The IRS online account transcript that @01e3f507fcd9 mentioned will show you exactly what happened - whether it was a refund offset, an authorized payment, or something else entirely. It's honestly the fastest way to get answers without sitting on hold for hours!
Whatever you do DONT AMEND until your first refund comes through! Made that mistake last year and ended up waiting 9 months for processing
idk if this helps but my bank literally sent my 1099-INT in february last year too. ended up just waiting for the refund then amended. paid like $150 extra in taxes but worth not dealing with the headache tbh
This is exactly what I needed to hear! $150 extra vs months of waiting seems like a no-brainer. Did you have any issues when you amended later or was it pretty straightforward?
I'm dealing with something very similar right now and this thread has been incredibly helpful! My tenant is 2 months behind on rent but just handed me some kind of "promissory note" from his "private trust" claiming it will cover all past and future rent payments. He also mentioned he's filing tax forms to "discharge the debt" which now makes perfect sense after reading about these redemption theory scams. What's really concerning me is that he's been asking for my business EIN number saying he needs it to "properly process the trust payment." After reading all these responses, I'm realizing this is probably part of the scheme to file fraudulent tax forms using my information. I'm going to follow the advice here - document everything, report to the IRS with Form 3949-A, and send certified mail notice that I'm aware of the fraudulent activity. It's scary how sophisticated these scams have become, but at least now I know I'm not alone in dealing with this and there are clear steps to take. Thank you especially to those who shared the resources like taxr.ai for understanding the tax implications and claimyr for actually getting through to the IRS. Having concrete tools to handle this situation makes it feel much less overwhelming. For any other landlords reading this - don't ignore weird paperwork or trust documents from tenants. These schemes rely on our confusion and inaction to succeed.
I just want to echo what Connor said - DO NOT give your tenant your EIN! I made that mistake early in my landlording career with a different scam and it took months to clean up the mess. Once they have your business tax ID, they can file all sorts of fraudulent forms claiming you owe them money or that they've "discharged debts" on your behalf. The promissory note from a "private trust" is textbook sovereign citizen nonsense. I've seen these exact documents before - they're designed to look official and confusing so landlords think there might be some legitimacy to them. There isn't. One thing I'd add to your action plan: consider consulting with a landlord-tenant attorney in your area. Many states have specific laws about tenant fraud, and an attorney can help you understand if this behavior gives you grounds for immediate eviction beyond just non-payment of rent. Some jurisdictions treat fraudulent document submission as a lease violation that allows for faster eviction proceedings. You're handling this exactly right by taking it seriously from the start. These scammers count on landlords being too busy or confused to fight back properly. The fact that you're documenting everything and reporting to the IRS shows you're not going to be an easy target.
I'm so glad you found this thread helpful! Your situation with the "promissory note" and requests for your EIN definitely fits the pattern everyone has described. It's honestly shocking how these scammers have basically created a playbook that they're all following. One thing I wanted to add that hasn't been mentioned yet - you might want to also check your credit reports to make sure the tenant hasn't already tried to use any of your business information to open accounts or file other fraudulent documents. These schemes sometimes involve multiple types of identity theft beyond just the tax forms. Also, when you send that certified mail notice, consider including language that any further fraudulent documents submitted will result in immediate legal action. Sometimes just letting them know you understand exactly what they're trying to do is enough to make them back off and look for easier targets. It's really encouraging to see so many landlords sharing their experiences and helping each other recognize these scams. The more we educate ourselves about these tactics, the harder it becomes for scammers to succeed with their schemes.
I'm a tax professional and I want to emphasize how serious this situation is. What your tenant is doing with the 1099-A form is absolutely fraudulent - this form is specifically for reporting acquisition or abandonment of secured property by lenders, not for tenants to create fictional lending relationships with their landlords. The fact that he's listing you as the "borrower" when you've never borrowed anything from him is a clear misuse of IRS forms. This appears to be part of what's known in tax circles as a "frivolous tax position" - using official forms incorrectly to support false claims about debts, trusts, or other financial arrangements that don't actually exist. From a professional standpoint, I strongly recommend: 1) Immediately file Form 3949-A with the IRS to report suspected abusive tax avoidance 2) Keep detailed records of all rent payments (or lack thereof) to demonstrate the actual landlord-tenant relationship 3) Contact the tax preparation service that filed this form - legitimate preparers should have controls to prevent obviously fraudulent filings 4) Consider consulting with a tax attorney if the tenant continues submitting fraudulent forms Don't underestimate how these schemes can escalate. I've seen cases where tenants file multiple fraudulent forms creating complex webs of false documentation that can take significant time and money to untangle. The sooner you report this and establish a clear record that you're not participating in any scheme, the better protected you'll be. The IRS takes these frivolous filing schemes very seriously and has specific procedures for handling them. You're not just protecting yourself - you're helping combat tax fraud that costs all taxpayers.
Thank you so much for weighing in as a tax professional - this really helps validate what everyone has been saying about how serious this situation is. The term "frivolous tax position" perfectly describes what my tenant is trying to do with this fake 1099-A form. Your point about these schemes escalating is particularly concerning. I definitely don't want to deal with multiple fraudulent forms creating a complex mess that takes months to resolve. I'm going to file that Form 3949-A immediately and contact the tax preparation service today. One question: when I contact the IRS about this, should I mention that I've seen other landlords dealing with similar schemes? It sounds like this might be part of a larger pattern of fraud that they should be aware of. Also, do you know if there are penalties for the tenant when they're caught filing these fraudulent forms, or do they usually just get away with it? Having a tax professional confirm that this is absolutely fraudulent gives me a lot more confidence in taking aggressive action to stop this before it gets worse.
I appreciate everyone sharing their experiences and expertise here. As someone new to business taxation, this thread has been incredibly educational. What strikes me most is how the seemingly "clever" tax strategies often end up being more expensive and risky than just paying taxes legitimately. Between audit risks, penalties, legal fees, and the stress of dealing with IRS scrutiny, it seems like the legitimate approaches mentioned here (retirement contributions, proper business deductions, Section 199A deduction) are not only safer but probably more effective in the long run. I'm curious - for those who have successfully implemented legitimate tax strategies, what would you say is the most important first step for a new business owner? Should I focus on finding a good CPA first, or start by learning the basics myself through resources like the ones mentioned in this thread? The horror stories about audits and penalties are definitely making me want to be extra cautious from the start.
Great question! As someone who's been through the learning curve, I'd recommend starting with the basics yourself first, then finding a good CPA. Here's why: if you understand the fundamentals, you'll be able to have much more productive conversations with tax professionals and won't be completely dependent on their advice. The IRS has excellent free resources on their website, particularly Publication 535 (Business Expenses) and Publication 334 (Tax Guide for Small Business). Understanding these basics will help you recognize legitimate deductions and avoid red flags. Once you have that foundation, find a CPA who specializes in small businesses in your industry. Ask potential CPAs about their experience with businesses similar to yours and their approach to tax planning versus just compliance. A good CPA should be proactive about identifying legitimate tax strategies, not just filing your returns. The key is building that knowledge gradually rather than trying to get clever with complex schemes. The legitimate strategies mentioned in this thread - proper expense tracking, retirement contributions, and business structure optimization - can provide significant tax savings without the audit risk that comes with aggressive positions. Starting conservative and building your tax knowledge over time is definitely the smartest approach for long-term success.
This is exactly the kind of comprehensive discussion that new business owners need to see. The progression from "creative" tax schemes to legitimate strategies really illustrates why proper planning is so important. I've been running my small consulting business for about two years now, and I made some of the classic mistakes early on - not tracking expenses properly, missing legitimate deductions, and almost falling for some questionable advice I found online. What saved me was finding a CPA who specialized in service businesses and taking the time to understand the basics myself. One thing I'd add to the excellent advice already given: start keeping meticulous records from day one. I use QuickBooks now, but even a simple spreadsheet tracking income, expenses, and mileage makes tax time so much easier and ensures you don't miss legitimate deductions. The Section 199A qualified business income deduction alone saved me thousands last year - that's a legitimate 20% deduction on business income that many small business owners don't even know exists. Combined with maximizing my SEP-IRA contributions, I was able to significantly reduce my tax burden without any of the risks associated with aggressive schemes. To the original poster - the fact that you're asking these questions and doing research shows you're on the right track. Just channel that planning energy into legitimate strategies and you'll be much better off in the long run.
This entire thread has been a masterclass in why doing your homework upfront is so crucial. As someone who just started their first LLC this year, I was initially drawn to some of the more "creative" approaches I'd seen discussed online, but reading through everyone's real experiences here has been sobering. The contrast between the audit nightmares and penalty stories versus the success stories with legitimate strategies like the Section 199A deduction and proper retirement planning really drives home the point. It seems like the biggest mistake new business owners make is trying to be too clever instead of just learning the legitimate tools that are already available. @Elijah Brown - your point about meticulous record keeping really resonates. I ve'been lazy about tracking some of my smaller expenses, but after reading about the audit experiences mentioned here, I m'definitely going to tighten that up. Better to be over-prepared than caught off guard if questions ever arise. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - both the cautionary tales and the success stories. This is exactly the kind of practical guidance you can t'get from generic tax advice articles.
NeonNebula
Has anyone else noticed that Morgan Stanley seems to mess this up a lot? I had the same issue when I became a resident, and it took them forever to update their systems. Their customer service was useless when I tried to get help too. Anyone have any luck getting them to fix this?
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Anastasia Kozlov
ā¢I recommend sending a secure message through their portal specifically asking for the "Tax Reporting Department." Regular customer service reps don't know how to handle these tax document issues, but if you get to the right department, they can issue corrected forms. Took about 3 weeks for me, but they eventually fixed it.
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Daniel Price
I'm dealing with a very similar situation right now! I received both forms from E*Trade for the same reason - they had me classified as a non-resident for the first part of 2024 even though I've been a US resident the whole year. What really helped me was calling the IRS directly to confirm the reporting approach. The agent I spoke with explained that this is actually pretty common when brokerage firms don't update residency status quickly enough in their systems. She confirmed that as a US resident, I should report the dividend income from both forms as regular dividend income, but enter them separately to ensure all withholding is properly credited. The key thing she emphasized was making sure I claim ALL the federal tax withholding from both forms - don't miss any of it because that's money you've already paid to the IRS. In my case, the 1042-S withholding was actually higher than normal dividend withholding rates, so I ended up getting a bigger refund than expected. For FreeTaxUSA specifically, I found the 1042-S entry under "Federal" ā "Income" ā "Less Common Income" ā "Other Income Not Reported on Form 1099" and then there's a specific dropdown option for 1042-S. Make sure to enter the withholding amount in the federal tax withheld section when prompted.
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Carmen Ruiz
ā¢This is super helpful! I'm actually in the exact same boat with E*Trade - got both forms for what seems like the same dividends but with different amounts. Quick question: when you called the IRS, did they mention anything about whether you need to file Form 8833 or any other additional forms when you're reporting 1042-S income as a US resident? I keep seeing conflicting information online about whether there are any extra reporting requirements when you receive a 1042-S but are actually a resident for tax purposes.
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