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@Nina Fitzgerald I actually went through this exact same situation a few months ago! The phone number everyone's mentioning (1-800-830-5084) is definitely your best bet. I'd recommend calling right when they open at 7 AM - I got through in about 15 minutes that way. One thing I learned: make sure you actually NEED to cancel vs. just reschedule. If you still need identity verification but just can't make that specific time, rescheduling might be easier than starting the whole process over. The agent will ask you why you're canceling, so be ready to explain. Also, don't stress too much about it - the IRS agents are usually pretty understanding about appointment changes. Just have your SSN and the appointment confirmation info ready when you call. You got this! π
Thanks for sharing your experience! That's really helpful advice about calling right at 7 AM. I never would have thought about the difference between canceling vs rescheduling - that's a great point to consider before making the call. Did you end up rescheduling or actually canceling your appointment?
I've been through this process recently and it's definitely frustrating! The phone route is really your only option since there's no online cancellation system (which is honestly ridiculous in 2024). A few things that helped me: - Call 1-800-830-5084 as others mentioned - Have your appointment confirmation number ready along with your SSN - If you get disconnected or can't get through, don't give up - it took me 3 tries over 2 days - Ask for a cancellation confirmation number or email if possible One important thing to consider: Are you canceling because you no longer need identity verification, or just because of scheduling conflicts? If it's the latter, rescheduling might be easier than starting over if you still need to complete the verification process eventually. The whole system is outdated but the agents are generally helpful once you get through. Hang in there! πͺ
Has anyone used their betting app's year-end summary as documentation for losses? My FanDuel account has a tax document that shows my total deposit, withdrawals, winnings and losses. Wondering if that's enough for the IRS?
I used my DraftKings annual statement last year and it was fine. Just make sure you save a PDF of it rather than just viewing it online since some apps only make those statements available for a limited time. Also good to have bank statements that match up with the deposits/withdrawals as backup.
I went through this exact same situation last year with my Venmo 1099-K from sports betting. The stress was real! Here's what I learned after consulting with a tax professional: 1. Yes, you do have to report the full $7300 as gambling income on your tax return, even though it includes your original deposits. 2. You can deduct your gambling losses (the $4700 you put in) but ONLY if you itemize deductions on Schedule A. This means you can't take the standard deduction. 3. The key decision is whether itemizing saves you more money overall than taking the standard deduction. For 2024, the standard deduction is $14,600 for single filers. If your gambling losses plus other itemizable deductions (mortgage interest, state taxes, charitable donations, etc.) exceed that amount, then itemizing makes sense. 4. Keep ALL your records - bank statements showing transfers, screenshots of betting account activity, and any year-end statements from your betting apps. The unfortunate reality is that if itemizing doesn't benefit you, you could end up paying taxes on the full $7300 rather than just your $2600 profit. This is a common frustration for casual gamblers. Consider talking to a tax pro if the numbers are significant - sometimes the consultation fee is worth it for peace of mind and making sure you're handling everything correctly.
This is super helpful, thank you! I'm in a similar boat but wondering about one thing - do you know if there's any way to avoid this whole mess in the future? Like, should I stop using Venmo for transferring money to/from betting accounts? I've heard some people say to use direct bank transfers instead to avoid getting hit with these 1099-K forms, but I'm not sure if that actually works or if it's even legal to try to avoid them that way.
One thing to consider with mortgage payoffs before a 1031 exchange that nobody's mentioned yet - if your existing mortgage has a prepayment penalty, that penalty is NOT considered part of your exchange basis. I found this out the hard way and ended up with a $3,800 penalty that I couldn't roll into the 1031. Check your mortgage terms carefully!
I didn't even think about prepayment penalties! I'll definitely check my mortgage docs tonight. So if there is a penalty, you're saying I can't consider that as part of my investment in the property for 1031 purposes? That could change my calculations.
Exactly right. The IRS considers a prepayment penalty to be a financing cost, not part of your investment in the real estate itself. So if you pay a $5,000 penalty for example, that amount cannot be added to your basis or treated as part of the exchange. It's just an expense you have to absorb separately. I found this out during an audit where they specifically flagged this item. The auditor explained that since the penalty wasn't for the property itself but rather for the financing arrangement, it couldn't be considered part of the real estate investment. Just one of those technical distinctions that can catch you by surprise if you're not working with someone who specializes in 1031 exchanges.
This is a really thorough discussion! Just wanted to add one more consideration that might be relevant - the timing of when you actually pay off the mortgage versus when you start the 1031 exchange process. I'm dealing with a similar situation right now and my qualified intermediary advised me to coordinate the mortgage payoff timing carefully with the exchange timeline. If you pay off the mortgage too far in advance of listing the property, it could raise questions about your intent to do a 1031 exchange from the beginning. The IRS likes to see that your 1031 exchange was planned as part of an investment strategy, not something you decided to do after the fact. So while paying off the mortgage before the exchange is totally fine from a tax perspective (as others have confirmed), just make sure you can document that the 1031 was always part of your plan. My QI suggested keeping records showing I was researching replacement properties and consulting with them before paying off the mortgage, just to establish the timeline clearly. Probably overkill, but better safe than sorry with the IRS!
That's a really smart point about documenting the intent timeline! I hadn't considered that the IRS might question whether the 1031 was planned from the start versus an afterthought. It makes sense that they'd want to see evidence of investment strategy rather than just tax avoidance after the fact. Do you happen to know what specific types of documentation your QI recommended keeping? I'm thinking things like emails with real estate agents about potential replacement properties, or maybe notes from meetings about the exchange strategy? I want to make sure I'm creating the right paper trail before I move forward with paying off my mortgage. Also curious - did your QI mention anything about how far in advance is "too far" for the mortgage payoff? I'm probably 2-3 months out from listing my property, so wondering if that timing would look suspicious or if it's still reasonable.
When I had a similar W2c issue, TurboTax had a specific section for entering W2c information. Is anyone using a particular tax software that handles this well? My accountant charged me extra last year because of all the corrected forms and I'm trying to DIY this year.
I went through this exact same situation two years ago! The key thing to remember is that the W2c completely replaces the information on your original W2. You should only use the corrected information when filing - so yes, use code W with the $13,340 amount. The reason for the code change makes total sense too. Code D is for your own 401(k) deferrals (money taken out of your paycheck), while code W is for employer HSA contributions (money your company puts into your HSA account). Your payroll department probably miscoded it initially. One thing that helped me was calling my HR department to confirm what actually happened. In my case, they had incorrectly categorized the employer's HSA contribution as a 401(k) deferral on the original W2. The good news is that employer HSA contributions (code W) are generally more favorable tax-wise since they don't count as taxable income at all. Make sure whatever tax software you're using has an option for entering W2c information specifically - don't just manually change the numbers from your original W2 entry.
Kai Rivera
I might be the minority here but I actually prefer doing my backdoor Roth in December and January of the same tax year to avoid this exact reporting confusion. Contribute to Traditional in early December, then convert to Roth before December 31st. That way everything happens in the same tax year and you get the 1099-R in time for filing season.
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Anna Stewart
β’This is actually really smart. I'm going to do this next year to avoid the headache. Do you have to wait any specific amount of time between the contribution and the conversion?
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Zoey Bianchi
β’There's no required waiting period between the contribution and conversion - you can literally do them on the same day if you want. Some people worry about the "step transaction doctrine" but the IRS has never challenged backdoor Roth conversions done quickly. The key is just making sure you don't take a deduction for the Traditional IRA contribution since you're converting it right away. Your approach of doing everything in December is definitely the cleanest way to handle the paperwork timing.
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Natalie Khan
Just want to add one more thing that might help others in this situation - when you do file your 2024 taxes with Form 8606 to report the non-deductible contribution, make sure to keep a copy of that return AND the 8606 form in your tax records. You'll need to reference it next year when filing your 2025 taxes to show the IRS your basis calculation for the conversion. I learned this the hard way when I couldn't find my old 8606 and had to reconstruct the numbers. The IRS can get confused about basis if you don't have clean documentation showing the progression from contribution to conversion across tax years.
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Kirsuktow DarkBlade
β’This is such an important point that I wish more people knew about! I made the mistake of not keeping proper records of my Form 8606 from a few years back and when I got audited, it turned into a nightmare trying to prove my basis. The IRS initially wanted to tax the entire conversion amount because they couldn't see that I had already reported the non-deductible contribution. Had to dig through old tax software files and bank statements to reconstruct everything. Now I keep both digital and physical copies of all my backdoor Roth paperwork in a dedicated folder. For anyone reading this - treat that 8606 like it's made of gold, because proving your basis later without it is incredibly difficult and stressful.
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