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Oliver Alexander

Does W-2 Third Party Sick Pay qualify as earned income for ABLE Account additional contributions?

I've been collecting taxable W-2 third party sick pay for about 8 months now, and I know it counts as earned income for my Roth IRA and for the Earned Income Credit. But I'm trying to figure out if it also counts as earned income for making additional contributions to my nephew's ABLE account beyond the standard $18k annual gift tax limit. I found some information in IRS publications that says: "Earned income. If you are retired on disability, benefits you receive under your employer's disability retirement plan are considered earned income until you reach minimum retirement age." It also mentions that certain employed ABLE account beneficiaries can make additional contributions up to either their compensation for the tax year or the poverty line amount ($13,590 in continental US, $15,630 in Hawaii, $16,990 in Alaska). The instructions for 1099-QA and 5498-QA forms say the additional contribution can be up to the lesser of: - The designated beneficiary's compensation (IRC section 219(f)(1)) - The poverty line amount for a one-person household Looking at California's ABLE contribution form, it states you can only make an ABLE to Work contribution if: - The Beneficiary is earning wages - The contribution is less than or equal to the Beneficiary's gross income - The Beneficiary hasn't contributed to a 401K, 403(b), or 457(b) plan this calendar year My nephew isn't currently working but does receive about $22,500 in W-2 third party sick pay annually. Would this qualify him to make additional contributions beyond the $18k limit? Would it be worth paying $12k for a private letter ruling in this situation? It seems expensive but could potentially open up more tax-advantaged investment space, since he's otherwise limited to just $7k in Roth IRA plus the standard $18k ABLE contribution.

Lara Woods

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This is a great question about ABLE accounts and earned income! According to IRS rules, W-2 third party sick pay generally does count as earned income until you reach minimum retirement age. However, the ABLE account rules have a slightly different interpretation. The key issue here is in the California form language you cited where it specifically mentions "earning wages." W-2 third party sick pay is considered compensation replacement rather than wages in the strictest sense. While it counts as earned income for IRA contributions and EIC purposes, the ABLE account additional contribution provision was specifically designed for currently working beneficiaries. The IRC section 219(f)(1) that's referenced defines compensation broadly, but the ABLE regulations and state implementations typically narrow this with the "earning wages" requirement. This suggests your nephew might not qualify for the additional contribution beyond the standard $18k annual gift limit. As for getting a private letter ruling - that's a significant expense at $12k. I'd recommend first contacting the administrator of your state's ABLE program directly to get their interpretation, as they may have guidance that isn't publicly documented.

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Adrian Hughes

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But doesn't the original IRS definition override the state form? If the IRS says disability payments count as earned income before minimum retirement age, shouldn't that apply regardless of what California's form says about "earning wages"?

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Lara Woods

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The IRS definition of earned income does apply broadly, but ABLE accounts have specific provisions. The federal ABLE legislation uses "earned income" in a more restricted context for the additional contribution provision, emphasizing current employment. While disability payments count as earned income for many tax purposes, the ABLE additional contribution was specifically designed to encourage employment among disabled individuals. The state forms reflect this narrower federal intent, which is why they specifically mention "earning wages" rather than just having "earned income.

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Eli Butler

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I'm skeptical of any service claiming to know this for sure. ABLE accounts are still relatively new and the IRS hasn't published clear guidance on every scenario. Did they actually cite specific IRS rulings or just give you their best guess?

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Eli Butler

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Sofia Price

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Here's another angle to consider: even if the W-2 third party sick pay doesn't qualify for the additional ABLE contribution, you're still allowed to contribute the full $18k annual gift tax exclusion amount. That's significantly more than the $7k Roth IRA limit. Many people don't realize that ABLE accounts have huge advantages over other savings vehicles for disabled individuals. The funds grow tax-free, and withdrawals for qualified disability expenses are also tax-free. Plus, ABLE accounts up to $100k don't count against resource limits for SSI eligibility.

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Thanks for that perspective! I'm already planning to contribute the full $18k to my nephew's ABLE account. I was just hoping to get that extra contribution space (roughly another $13k) to maximize the tax advantages. Do you know if ABLE accounts have the same investment options as 529 college savings plans? The state-run 529 plans we've looked at have pretty limited investment choices.

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Sofia Price

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ABLE accounts typically offer investment options similar to 529 plans since they're actually a special type of 529 (technically "529A" accounts). The options vary by state, but most offer a range of mutual funds or pre-made portfolios based on risk tolerance or time horizons. Some states have more diverse options than others. For example, Ohio's ABLE program offers multiple investment options including growth, moderate growth, and conservative portfolios. A few states even offer self-directed brokerage options with more flexibility, though these often come with higher fees.

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Alice Coleman

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I work with special needs financial planning, and I think everyones missing a detail - check whether your nephew has other income sources that might qualify. Even part-time or gig work counts! If he could earn even a small amount from actual employment (like $2-3k annually), that would enable additional ABLE contributions up to that earned amount. Many of my clients do minimal part-time work specifically for this purpose.

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Owen Jenkins

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This is really good advice. My brother does like 5 hours of work per week at a local store and it qualifies for the extra ABLE contribution. Doesn't have to be much!

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Omar Farouk

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This is such a helpful discussion! I'm dealing with a similar situation with my sister's ABLE account. Based on everything shared here, it sounds like the consensus is that W-2 third party sick pay doesn't qualify for the additional ABLE contribution beyond the $18k limit. The key distinction seems to be that while sick pay counts as "earned income" for many tax purposes, the ABLE additional contribution provision specifically targets current employment as a work incentive. The "earning wages" language in state forms appears to reflect this narrower federal intent. @Alice Coleman - that's a great point about exploring minimal employment options! Even small amounts of actual wages could unlock that additional contribution space. For someone receiving $22.5k in sick pay, adding even $5k in actual earned income could provide significant additional tax-advantaged savings opportunities. Has anyone here actually tried making the additional contribution with only sick pay income and had issues, or is this all based on guidance and interpretations? I'm curious if there are any real-world examples of problems arising.

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