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Relocating Home Office: How to Handle Form 8829 Carryover Between Two Properties?

I've been struggling to find a clear answer about handling home office carryover expenses when moving houses, so hoping someone here can help me out. I've maintained a home office for several years in a rental property and accumulated some unallowed operating expenses as carryover. This March, I purchased a new home and moved in on the 1st of April. Interestingly, my business income increased significantly after relocating. Now I'm trying to figure out the proper way to allocate the carryover expenses across the two Form 8829s I'll need to file. I see three possible approaches: 1. Allocate all carryover expenses to the old rental home (seems like this would result in higher taxes for me) 2. Split the carryover 25/75 between old and new homes based on the months spent in each location (3 months old, 9 months new) 3. Split the carryover 10/90 between properties based on where I actually earned the income during the year The third option would maximize my tax return, but I'm unsure what's actually permitted under IRS rules. Has anyone dealt with this situation before? Any guidance would be tremendously appreciated!

The carryover of unallowed home office expenses should follow your business, not necessarily the specific property. Since it's the same business continuing in a new location, you can generally allocate the carryover based on where you earned the income. Your third option (10/90 split) is actually reasonable if it accurately reflects where your business income was generated. The IRS doesn't specifically state you must allocate based solely on time spent in each location. Form 8829 instructions indicate that carryover amounts relate to the business activity itself. When completing your forms, you'll need two separate Form 8829s - one for each property. On the first form (January-March rental), you'd allocate 10% of your carryover. Then on the second form (April-December owned home), you'd allocate the remaining 90%. Just make sure you keep detailed records showing how your business income was distributed throughout the year to support this allocation method.

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Thanks for this info. I'm in a similar situation but my income was more evenly split. Would it be better to just do a 50/50 split in my case, or should I try to calculate the exact percentage based on invoices from each location?

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For a more evenly split income situation, I'd recommend calculating the actual percentage based on your invoices or income statements from each location. This gives you the most accurate and defensible position if questions ever arise. If tracking the exact amounts is challenging, a reasonable estimate like 50/50 could work, but be prepared to explain your methodology. The key is being able to show that your allocation reasonably reflects where the business activity occurred.

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Just wanted to add something that hasn't been mentioned yet - if your business income "picked up markedly" after the move as you mentioned, make sure you're accounting for potential increases in your quarterly estimated tax payments. With significantly higher income, you might need to adjust your estimates to avoid underpayment penalties. Also, if your new home has a larger or more dedicated office space, don't forget to recalculate your business percentage appropriately. This could further help optimize your home office deduction.

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That's a really good point about the estimated tax payments! I didn't even think about that. How often can you change your quarterly estimates? Do I need to notify the IRS specifically if I'm increasing them?

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You can adjust your quarterly estimated payments with each payment without any special notification to the IRS. Each quarter stands alone, so if your income increases, you can simply pay more on your next estimated payment. If you've underpaid earlier quarters but make up for it in later quarters, you might still face some underpayment penalties for the earlier periods, but they'll be minimized. The IRS Form 2210 has an "annualized income" option that can help if your income varies significantly throughout the year, which sounds like your situation.

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I encountered almost the exact scenario last year! I spoke with 2 different CPAs who gave me conflicting advice, but ultimately followed the percentage-of-income approach (your option 3). The key is documenting everything clearly. I created a spreadsheet showing: 1) Total annual business income 2) Income earned at each location 3) Calculation showing the percentage split (mine was about 15/85) I also wrote a brief explanation note to include with my return explaining the methodology. Had no issues with the IRS. I think as long as you can reasonably justify your approach and show it accurately reflects your business reality, you're on solid ground.

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Did you have to file your taxes on paper to include that explanation note or were you able to add it electronically?

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm dealing with a similar situation but with a twist - I moved from owning my home to renting a new place mid-year. My carryover expenses are from the owned property, and now I'm wondering if there are any special considerations when the property types change. From what I'm reading here, it sounds like the income-based allocation approach (option 3) is still valid regardless of whether you're moving between owned/rented properties. The business continuity principle seems to be the key factor. Has anyone else dealt with the owned-to-rental transition specifically? I want to make sure I'm not missing any nuances before I file my two Form 8829s.

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