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Mei Lin

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Something no one has mentioned yet - when you say your bonus "bumped you up into the next tax bracket," remember that our tax system is marginal. Only the portion of your income that falls into that higher bracket gets taxed at the higher rate, not all your income. This is a super common misunderstanding. A bonus can never cause you to lose money by pushing you into a higher bracket. The higher tax rate only applies to the amount of income above the threshold for that bracket.

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This is so important to understand! I thought I was better off turning down a bonus once because of the "tax bracket" issue. What a mistake that was!

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Isabel Vega

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Great question about bonus taxation! I went through something similar a few years back when I got my first large bonus. Here's what I learned: Your employer likely used the flat 22% federal withholding rate on your bonus (called the "supplemental rate"), but if your actual marginal tax rate is higher than 22% - which it sounds like it is given the size of your bonus - then not enough was withheld. For example, if you're in the 24% or 32% tax bracket, that 22% withholding leaves you short. The bonus is taxed as ordinary income at your marginal rate, but the withholding was done at the lower flat rate. A few things you can do going forward: 1. Update your W-4 to have additional withholding throughout the year to cover expected bonuses 2. Make an estimated tax payment in the quarter you receive your bonus 3. Ask your employer if they can withhold extra from your bonus (some will do this if you request it in advance) The good news is this is totally fixable for next year with some planning. And remember - you're not being "penalized" for the bonus, you just didn't have enough tax withheld upfront to cover the actual liability.

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Dmitry Popov

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This is really helpful, thank you! I'm definitely in that situation where my actual tax rate is higher than the 22% they withheld. One follow-up question - when you say "make an estimated tax payment in the quarter you receive your bonus," how do I calculate how much to send? Is it just the difference between what was withheld and what I actually owe on that bonus amount? Also, does timing matter? Like if I get my bonus in Q1 but don't realize the withholding shortage until I'm doing my taxes the following year, is it too late to make that estimated payment for the previous year?

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Dylan Baskin

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Heads up - don't forget state tax implications too! My S-Corp has owners in 3 different states and each state has different rules about estimated payments. Some require the S-Corp to make composite payments on behalf of non-resident shareholders, while others require each shareholder to file their own estimated payments. This created a huge mess for us at tax time last year because we didn't plan properly. Had to pay penalties in two states.

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Jay Lincoln

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Ugh, I hadn't even thought about the state tax angle. We have owners in California, New York and Florida. Does anyone know how to handle this multi-state situation effectively?

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Ally Tailer

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Multi-state S-Corp taxation can be really tricky! For your situation with CA, NY, and FL owners, here's what you need to know: California typically requires the S-Corp to make composite payments for non-resident owners, OR the non-resident owners can elect to file their own CA returns. New York has similar composite payment options but the rules are different. Florida has no state income tax, so your FL owner is lucky there. The key is to check each state's specific S-Corp filing requirements early in the year. Some states have different deadlines for composite vs. individual estimated payments. You'll probably want to work with a multi-state tax specialist rather than trying to navigate this yourself - the penalties for getting it wrong can be substantial. I learned this the hard way with our multi-state partnership. Don't make the same mistake!

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One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is the importance of establishing clear procedures early in the year for tracking each owner's quarterly payments. We learned this lesson the hard way when tax season came around and nobody could remember who had paid what. I'd recommend creating a shared spreadsheet or using accounting software to track each partner's quarterly payments throughout the year. Include columns for each owner's projected annual tax liability, quarterly payment amounts, actual payment dates, and any adjustments made based on updated income projections. Also, make sure your S-Corp provides regular profit updates to all owners (at least quarterly, preferably monthly if income is volatile). This allows each owner to adjust their estimated payments if the business is performing significantly better or worse than projected. The last thing you want is for someone to underpay all year because they were working off stale projections. Consider having a brief quarterly meeting where you review actual vs. projected income and discuss any needed adjustments to individual estimated payments. It takes maybe 30 minutes but can save everyone from penalties and surprises at tax time.

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Ava Williams

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This is excellent advice! As someone who's new to S-Corp ownership, I hadn't even thought about the tracking aspect. Do you have any recommendations for specific accounting software that handles multi-owner S-Corp quarterly payment tracking well? Also, regarding those quarterly meetings you mentioned - do you typically have the S-Corp's accountant participate in those discussions, or is it more of an internal partner meeting? I'm wondering if having professional guidance during those quarterly reviews would be worth the extra cost.

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Ethan Taylor

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Another thing to consider is state tax treatment of these expenses. Some states follow federal rules for deductibility while others have their own rules. In California, for example, there are certain expenses that are fully deductible for state tax purposes but limited for federal. Since you mentioned meals being 50% deductible federally, you should check if your state has different rules. Some states allow 100% deduction for business meals in certain circumstances. This adds another layer of complexity to tracking non-deductible vs. deductible expenses!

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Yuki Ito

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Do you have to maintain separate sets of books for federal vs state in that case? That sounds like a nightmare for accounting.

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Great question about state vs federal differences! You don't necessarily need separate books, but you do need to track the differences for tax purposes. Most accounting software can handle this with tax adjustments or separate tax categories. For partnerships, the state-specific differences typically get handled at the partner level when they file their individual returns, since partnerships are pass-through entities. The partnership return (1065) reports the federal treatment, and then each partner makes state adjustments on their personal returns if needed. However, you should definitely track these differences in your records so you can provide accurate K-1s to your partners. They'll need to know about any state-specific adjustments when they prepare their individual returns. A good CPA familiar with your state's rules can help set up a system that captures both federal and state treatment without duplicating your entire bookkeeping system.

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This is really helpful information! I'm new to partnership taxation and had no idea about the state vs federal complexity. Our partnership operates in multiple states, so I'm wondering - do we need to track these differences for each state we operate in, or just our home state? And when you mention providing accurate K-1s, are there specific lines on the K-1 where these state adjustments get reported, or is it more of a supplemental information thing that partners use when filing their individual returns?

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Has anyone used TurboTax to handle this situation? I'm wondering if the software walks you through the process of converting a business vehicle to personal use or if I need something more sophisticated.

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TurboTax can handle it, but you need to be careful. The software doesn't explicitly ask "Are you converting a business vehicle to personal use?" Instead, you'll notice that when you enter your vehicle information, it will ask about business use percentage. If you used it 0% for business this year vs. some percentage in previous years, it should recognize the change. But I'd recommend using TurboTax Live to get an expert to review your return if you're handling something like bonus depreciation conversion. It's easy to miss something important.

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I went through this exact situation last year with a work truck I'd claimed bonus depreciation on in 2019. Here's what I learned: you don't need to "opt out" of anything, but you do need to be strategic about the timing and documentation. The key insight my accountant shared is that when you convert from business to personal use, you need to establish the fair market value of the vehicle at the time of conversion. This becomes your new "basis" for personal use. If the FMV is less than your depreciated basis, you might actually have a loss you can claim. For record-keeping, I documented: (1) the exact date I stopped using it for business, (2) the vehicle's fair market value on that date (used KBB and got a dealer appraisal), and (3) screenshots showing the depreciation schedule from my previous returns. One thing that surprised me - you can actually convert partially too. So if you think you might use the vehicle for some business purposes occasionally in the future, you could convert it to something like 10% business use instead of going to zero. Just make sure whatever percentage you claim, you can substantiate with actual records.

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Great question about bonus depreciation! Let me break this down for you since it's a common source of confusion. Bonus depreciation and Section 179 are separate elections, but they both count toward the same luxury auto limits. For passenger automobiles (like sedans), the combined first-year deduction from Section 179 + bonus depreciation + regular depreciation cannot exceed the luxury auto limit (~$20,200 for 2025 electric vehicles). So unfortunately, there's no way to get around that luxury auto ceiling for sedans, even by combining different depreciation methods. The limit applies to your total first-year depreciation, regardless of how you achieve it. However, here's where it gets interesting: if you finance the vehicle instead of purchasing outright, you might consider leasing strategies. Business lease payments are fully deductible (subject to business use percentage), and luxury auto limits don't apply to lease payments the same way they do to purchase depreciation. Another consideration for high-income earners like Hunter: if you're already hitting other tax limitation thresholds, maximizing current-year deductions might not be as critical. Sometimes spreading the deduction over multiple years through regular depreciation can be more beneficial from a cash flow perspective, especially if you expect to be in similar tax brackets in future years. The key is running the numbers for your specific situation rather than just assuming "biggest deduction now" is always best.

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StarStrider

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This leasing angle is really intriguing! I hadn't considered that approach at all. For someone in Hunter's position with that level of income, would the lease payment deductions potentially work out to be more advantageous than the depreciation limits over the long term? I'm thinking about total cost of ownership vs. tax benefits. Also, are there any gotchas with business leasing that people should be aware of? I've heard something about lease inclusion amounts but don't really understand how those work in practice.

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You're asking exactly the right questions about leasing! Yes, for high-income earners like Hunter, leasing can often provide better total tax benefits than purchasing, especially for luxury vehicles. Here's the math: if Hunter leases that $190k electric sedan for, say, $2,500/month, he could potentially deduct $30,000 annually (assuming 100% business use) versus being capped at ~$20,200 in year one with purchase depreciation. Over a typical 3-year lease, that's $90,000 in deductions versus maybe $60,000 total through depreciation limits. The "lease inclusion amounts" you mentioned are the gotcha - they're designed to prevent people from avoiding luxury auto limits entirely through leasing. Basically, if you lease an expensive car, you have to add back a small amount to your income each year (it's in IRS tables based on vehicle FMV and lease term). For a $190k vehicle, this might be around $500-800 annually, so still a net benefit. The real considerations are: 1) You never own the asset, 2) Mileage restrictions, 3) Wear and tear charges, and 4) No equity building. But for someone with Hunter's income who might want to upgrade every few years anyway, leasing could definitely be the smarter play from a pure tax perspective. I'd recommend running both scenarios with actual lease terms before deciding.

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This has been such an enlightening discussion! As someone who's been wrestling with similar vehicle deduction questions for my consulting practice, I really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences and expertise. One thing I'm curious about that hasn't been fully addressed - for partnerships like Hunter's law firm, how do the Section 179 limits work exactly? Sean mentioned they apply at both the partnership and partner level, but I'm not clear on the mechanics. If the partnership buys the vehicle, does that use up part of the partnership's $1,160,000 Section 179 limit for 2025? And then does it also count against Hunter's individual limit when it flows through on his K-1? Or is it one or the other? I'm asking because my business partner and I are considering a similar vehicle purchase, and we want to make sure we structure it correctly to maximize the tax benefit. Should the partnership own it, or should one of us buy it individually and lease it to the partnership? Also, has anyone dealt with the IRS documentation requirements for business vehicle purchases? I've heard they can be pretty strict about proving business necessity, especially for luxury vehicles.

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Zara Khan

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Great questions about partnership structures! Let me clarify the Section 179 mechanics for partnerships since this can get tricky. For partnerships, Section 179 works on a "flow-through" basis. The partnership gets to elect Section 179 on the vehicle purchase, using up part of the partnership's annual limit. Then each partner's share of that deduction flows through to their personal tax returns via the K-1, but it ALSO counts against each partner's individual Section 179 limit. So in Hunter's case, if the partnership bought a $190k vehicle and elected the maximum Section 179 deduction allowed (let's say $20k for a luxury sedan), and he's a 50% partner, then $10k would flow to his personal return and count against his individual $1,160,000 limit. The partnership would also have used $20k of its limit. Regarding ownership structure - there are pros and cons to both approaches. Partnership ownership is simpler administratively, but individual ownership with lease-back to the partnership can sometimes provide more flexibility, especially if partners have different tax situations or if you want to optimize depreciation timing. On documentation requirements - yes, the IRS is particularly scrutinous with luxury vehicles. You'll want contemporaneous records showing business necessity, comparisons with less expensive alternatives (and why they weren't suitable), client meeting logs if relevant, and detailed mileage tracking. For a $190k vehicle, expect extra attention if audited. I'd strongly recommend running the numbers both ways with a tax professional before deciding on the structure.

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