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my credit score is like 680 tho? shouldnt be that
I work at a tax prep office and can confirm what Evelyn said - TurboTax definitely has early filing deadlines for advances, usually around mid-February. They also do income verification and look at your tax history with them. Even with good credit, if you had any issues with previous advances or filed late in prior years, that can disqualify you. It's frustrating because they don't always explain the criteria upfront!
Make sure to double check your W-2s from those years! Box 1 (wages, tips, other compensation) would include any imputed income. If your employer won't give you an accurate breakdown, look at your December paystub for each year and multiply the per-paycheck imputed income by the number of pay periods. When I had this issue, my company refused to issue corrected W-2s, so I had to file Form 4852 (substitute for Form W-2) along with my 1040-X for each year. Total nightmare but got back around $2200.
I work in payroll and this happens ALL THE TIME. The problem is most payroll systems have separate fields for "spouse" and "domestic partner" that control the tax treatment, and often the marriage update only changes the relationship status but not the benefits classification. It's a stupid system design flaw.
This is a really common issue that many newly married couples face! As others have mentioned, you're absolutely right that imputed income should only apply to domestic partners, not legally married spouses. The IRS is clear that employer-provided health insurance for spouses is not taxable income. I'd suggest documenting everything before you approach HR again. Print out your pay stubs showing the imputed income, gather copies of your marriage certificate, and maybe even print out the relevant IRS guidance (Publication 15-B covers this). Sometimes having the official documentation in hand makes the conversation go more smoothly. One thing to watch out for - if your employer fixes this going forward but won't issue corrected W-2s for previous years, you'll definitely want to file those amended returns. The IRS typically allows you to amend returns for up to three years, so depending on when you got married in 2022, you might be able to recover taxes from both 2022 and 2023. Keep pushing on this - it's definitely worth the effort to get it corrected!
Thanks for the detailed advice! I'm definitely going to gather all that documentation before my next conversation with HR. Quick question though - when you mention Publication 15-B, do you know the specific section that covers spouse vs domestic partner health insurance? I want to make sure I'm referencing the right part when I talk to them. Also, has anyone had success getting their employer to issue corrected W-2s, or do most companies just refuse and make you file the amended returns yourself?
Has anyone ever tried arguing that a change in your personal involvement with the properties constitutes a material change? Like if you were actively managing all properties when grouped, but now have become passive with one or more of them?
Yes! This worked for me in 2022. I originally grouped 3 properties when I was actively managing all of them, spending >750 hours/year on them collectively. When I took a full-time job and outsourced management on two properties, my involvement dropped dramatically. I documented this change in time commitment and was able to ungroup successfully.
I've been dealing with a similar ungrouping situation and wanted to share what I learned from my research and consultation with a tax professional. The key is really understanding that the IRS looks at whether the original economic rationale for grouping still exists. Beyond what others have mentioned, here are some additional "material changes" that might qualify: - **Debt structure changes**: If you refinanced one property with significantly different terms (like switching from commercial to residential mortgage, or adding/removing personal guarantees) - **Insurance changes**: Moving from a blanket policy covering all properties to separate policies can show they're no longer economically integrated - **Tenant profile shifts**: If one property went from long-term residential to short-term vacation rental, that's a fundamental business model change - **Legal structure modifications**: Changes in LLC operating agreements, management structures, or ownership percentages The documentation is crucial - you need to show the IRS that maintaining the grouping would be "clearly inappropriate" given the new circumstances, not just that ungrouping would save you taxes. One strategy I've seen work is preparing a detailed memo explaining how the properties functioned as an integrated economic unit originally, and how specific changes have disrupted that integration. This proactive documentation can be invaluable if the IRS ever questions your ungrouping decision. Have you considered whether any of these types of changes apply to your situation?
This is incredibly helpful, thank you! The debt structure change point really caught my attention - I actually did refinance one of the three properties in early 2024 to switch from a commercial loan to a residential mortgage with much better terms. The other two properties still have their original commercial financing. Would this type of financing change be significant enough to justify ungrouping? Also, do you have any specific examples of what should be included in that detailed memo you mentioned?
I'm confused about job-related training deductions in general. Are they still deductible for employees after the tax law changes? I thought most job expenses went away unless you're self-employed?
This is a really important point! The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act suspended employee business expense deductions from 2018 through 2025. If you're a W-2 employee, you can't deduct unreimbursed work expenses anymore. BUT if you're an independent contractor (1099 worker), you can still deduct legitimate business expenses on Schedule C.
Great point about the 1099 vs W-2 distinction! Since you mentioned you're a "security contractor," that suggests you might be getting 1099s rather than W-2s, which would make this deduction potentially viable on Schedule C as a business expense. However, even for contractors, the expense still needs to meet the "ordinary and necessary" test for your security business. The IRS looks at whether the expense is common and accepted in your trade, and whether it's helpful and appropriate for your business. If you are indeed a 1099 contractor, you'd want to document how the karate training specifically enhances your security services - maybe it allows you to take on higher-risk assignments, charge premium rates, or fulfill specific client requirements. Keep detailed records of how the skills directly apply to your contract work, not just general fitness or self-improvement. What's your employment classification? That'll determine whether this is even worth pursuing.
This is exactly the kind of detailed breakdown I was hoping for! I actually am a 1099 contractor, so that's good news. I do mostly event security and some higher-end private gigs where clients specifically want someone with "enhanced physical capabilities" - that's literally how one contract described it. The karate has definitely helped me land better paying assignments. One client even asked about my martial arts background during the interview process. I've been keeping receipts for the classes but hadn't thought about documenting the business connection until reading this thread. Should I be tracking things like which specific skills I learned in class and how I applied them on jobs? Or is it enough to show that clients value these capabilities when hiring?
Liam Fitzgerald
Just wanted to share that my company made a similar mistake with my withholding when I got married but kept filing as "single" (my spouse and I file separately). I didn't catch it for over a year! When I finally figured it out, I panicked and called a CPA who basically laughed and said this happens constantly. His advice was: 1) Fix it going forward immediately 2) Set aside some cash to cover what you'll owe for the current year 3) Don't stress about past years if you've already filed and settled up. The bigger issue is going to be this year since you're already 9 months in with incorrect withholding. The simplest fix is to immediately adjust your W-4 to have a specific additional amount taken out of each remaining paycheck. Your payroll department can help calculate this.
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GalacticGuru
ā¢How did you figure out how much extra to withhold for the rest of the year? I'm trying to do this calculation now and getting confused with all the tax brackets and stuff.
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Chloe Robinson
ā¢The easiest way is to use the IRS withholding calculator on their website - it's actually pretty user-friendly. You input your year-to-date earnings, what's been withheld so far, and your expected total income for the year. It'll tell you exactly how much extra to withhold from each remaining paycheck. If you want to do a rough calculation yourself: figure out about how much you've been "under-withheld" per paycheck (sounds like around $80 based on the original post), multiply that by how many paychecks you've received this year, then divide that total by your remaining paychecks for the year. That'll give you a ballpark of the extra amount to withhold going forward. Your HR or payroll department should also be able to help with this - they deal with W-4 adjustments all the time and can walk you through the math.
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AstroAdventurer
I work in payroll and see this exact situation probably 5-6 times a year. Your aunt is overreacting - you're not going to have wages garnished over this! Here's what actually happens: The IRS cares about your actual tax liability when you file your return, not what your employer withholds during the year. Since you've been filing as "single" (which is correct) and getting refunds, you've already squared up with the IRS for those past years. The real issue is 2023. You'll likely owe money when you file, but it's not going to be some catastrophic amount. At $80 per paycheck over 9 months (assuming biweekly pay), you're looking at maybe $2,000-2,500 in underwithholding for the year. That's manageable. Two immediate steps: 1) Use the IRS withholding calculator to figure out exactly how much extra to withhold for the rest of 2023, and 2) Start setting aside some money each month to cover what you'll owe when you file. The IRS has payment plans if you can't pay it all at once when you file. As long as you're not repeatedly owing large amounts year after year, they're pretty reasonable to work with. You're going to be fine!
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Amelia Dietrich
ā¢This is really reassuring to hear from someone who actually works in payroll! I've been losing sleep over this thinking the IRS was going to come after me with penalties and interest. Your breakdown of the numbers makes it feel much more manageable - $2,000-2,500 is still a lot of money but not the financial disaster I was imagining. I didn't know the IRS had payment plans for situations like this. Do you know if there are any fees or interest charges if you set up a payment plan, or is it pretty straightforward? Also, since I just bought a condo, I'm wondering if that might actually help with deductions this year to offset some of the underwithholding? Thanks for taking the time to explain this from a professional perspective - it really helps to hear from someone who sees this regularly!
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