Can I write off Karate lessons on my taxes if I work in private security? Are martial arts tax deductible?
I've been taking Karate lessons for about 8 months now, and it suddenly hit me while doing my budget for next year - could these classes be tax deductible? I work as a security contractor doing night patrols and event security. The way I see it, these skills directly help me do my job better and safer, right? My supervisor actually mentioned something about work-related deductions last week, which got me thinking. Reminded me of how my uncle used to deduct his guitar equipment since he was a part-time music teacher. The classes run me about $175/month, so it adds up to over $2000 per year. That would be sweet if I could get some tax benefit from it! Has anyone in security or similar fields done this before? Any advice would be super appreciated!
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Carmen Ruiz
This is a good question that comes up fairly often with job-related skills training. The IRS has pretty specific rules about deducting education expenses. Generally, to deduct something like Karate lessons, they would need to: 1) Maintain or improve skills needed in your current job 2) Be required by your employer or by law to keep your present salary or status The challenge here is proving that Karate is directly necessary for your security work. If your employer doesn't require martial arts training specifically, and it's not an industry standard requirement for security contractors, the IRS might view this as general fitness or personal development rather than a job requirement. Also, if these skills could qualify you for a new career (like becoming a Karate instructor), that would disqualify the deduction, even if that's not your intention.
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Andre Lefebvre
•But what if their employment contract mentions something about "maintaining physical readiness" or "self-defense capabilities" without specifically saying "karate"? Would that give them enough of a connection to claim it?
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Carmen Ruiz
•If your employment contract specifically mentions maintaining physical readiness or self-defense capabilities, that definitely strengthens your case, though it's still in a gray area. You'd want to document how karate specifically fulfills that requirement and how it directly relates to your security duties. The key is establishing that these aren't just generally useful skills but are directly applicable to your specific security position. If you ever face an audit, you'd need to show the clear connection between the training and your current job duties.
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Zoe Dimitriou
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Jamal Anderson
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Jamal Anderson
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Giovanni Ricci
My tax guy says a key factor is whether your employer would back you up if audited. Does your company have any written policies that reference self-defense training? Or even an email from your supervisor acknowledging the karate helps your job performance? Documentation is everything with unusual deductions.
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Yuki Yamamoto
•No official policy unfortunately. Just verbal encouragement from my supervisor. Should I maybe ask for something in writing? Or would that seem suspicious?
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Giovanni Ricci
•Definitely ask for something in writing. It doesn't have to be a formal policy - even an email from your supervisor stating that your karate training is beneficial for your security role would help create a paper trail. This wouldn't seem suspicious at all - it's simply good practice to document anything you plan to claim on your taxes. Just be straightforward about wanting to make sure you have proper documentation for tax purposes. The more official support you can get, the stronger your position would be if questioned.
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NeonNomad
I'm confused about job-related training deductions in general. Are they still deductible for employees after the tax law changes? I thought most job expenses went away unless you're self-employed?
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Fatima Al-Hashemi
•This is a really important point! The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act suspended employee business expense deductions from 2018 through 2025. If you're a W-2 employee, you can't deduct unreimbursed work expenses anymore. BUT if you're an independent contractor (1099 worker), you can still deduct legitimate business expenses on Schedule C.
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