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Quick question - I'm in the same boat but my tax software didn't generate a 1040-V for me. Where can I get this form? Is it on the IRS website?
You can download Form 1040-V directly from the IRS website at irs.gov/forms-pubs/about-form-1040-v. Make sure to fill it out completely with your name, SSN, address, and payment amount. Some software doesn't automatically generate it if you indicated you'd pay electronically but then changed your mind.
Just to add another perspective - I've been through this exact situation multiple times over the years. You definitely do NOT need to include your tax return when mailing Form 1040-V with your payment after e-filing. The IRS already has your return electronically, and the 1040-V voucher contains all the necessary information to match your payment to your account. One thing I'd emphasize is to make sure you sign the Form 1040-V - I've seen people forget this step! Also, if your payment is over $100,000, you actually need to use different procedures, but for most people the standard 1040-V process works perfectly. Don't stress about it - you're doing it right by just sending the voucher and check together!
Thanks for mentioning the signature requirement on the 1040-V! I almost forgot to sign mine last year. Quick question - do you know if there's a deadline for when the IRS needs to receive the payment by mail? I e-filed right before the deadline but I'm worried about the payment arriving late since it has to go through regular mail.
Has anyone used business tax software for their 1065 instead of a CPA? Any recommendations? I'm in a similar boat trying to save on accountant fees.
I tried several and settled on TaxSlayer Business. It was the most straightforward for our 3-partner operation. It walks you through all the K-1 boxes step by step and has good explanations about distributions vs allocations.
I went through this exact same situation last year with my first 1065 filing! The distinction between income allocation and distributions was the most confusing part for me too. Just to reinforce what others have said - you absolutely will pay taxes on the full $63,000 allocated to you, even though you only took $48,000 in cash. Think of it this way: the partnership earned profits, and your share of those profits ($63,000) is what gets taxed on your personal return. The $48,000 you actually took out is separate - it's just you accessing money that was already allocated to you. The $15,000 difference stays in the business and increases your ownership stake (basis). So when you eventually sell your partnership interest or the business liquidates, that $15,000 will reduce any taxable gain you might have. For the $12,000 capital contribution, that also increases your basis but doesn't affect your current year tax liability. It's essentially you investing more money into the business. One tip - keep really detailed records of all these transactions (contributions, distributions, allocated income) because you'll need to track your basis year over year. It becomes super important if you ever take distributions that exceed your basis, as those become taxable events. Good luck with the filing! It's definitely learnable, but don't feel bad if you end up going back to your CPA this year while you get comfortable with the concepts.
This is really helpful, thanks! I'm just starting to wrap my head around this concept. One follow-up question - you mentioned that distributions exceeding basis become taxable events. How would I even know if I'm approaching that limit? Is there a way to calculate my current basis, or is that something I should have been tracking from day one of the partnership? Also, when you say "reduces any taxable gain" when selling the partnership interest - does that mean if I never sell my share, that $15,000 I left in the business never really benefits me tax-wise?
Has anyone else gotten confused about the ordering of NOL usage? My understanding is that you have to use the oldest losses first, but our tax software seems to be applying them differently.
Yes, you generally use NOLs on a FIFO basis (first in, first out), so oldest NOLs get utilized first. But there's also a distinction between pre-2018 NOLs and post-2018 NOLs because they have different rules. Pre-2018 can offset 100% of taxable income while post-2018 can only offset 80%. What tax software are you using?
I'm dealing with a similar situation as a new startup owner. One thing that helped me understand this better was realizing that Form 1120 line 29a is specifically for the NOL deduction you're claiming in the CURRENT year, not just tracking your total accumulated losses. Since you have negative taxable income again this year, you won't enter anything on line 29a because there's no positive income to offset. But you're absolutely building up your NOL carryforward balance - you'll have $42,000 from year 1 plus your new $38,000 loss from this year. The key is maintaining good records of these accumulated losses. I keep a simple schedule that tracks each year's NOL separately because when you eventually become profitable, you'll need to apply them in the correct order (oldest first) and follow the 80% limitation rule for post-2017 losses. Don't worry - you're not missing out on any tax benefits by not using the NOLs now. They'll be there waiting for you when your startup starts generating taxable income!
This is really helpful! I'm also a startup founder dealing with NOLs and was confused about the same thing. Just to clarify - when you say "maintaining good records," are you just keeping your own internal spreadsheet or is there something specific the IRS requires us to file or attach to our returns while we're accumulating these losses? I want to make sure I'm not missing any required documentation that could cause problems later when we actually start using the NOLs.
Has anyone actually gone the SDOP route for small amounts like this? I'm curious what the experience was like and if they actually enforce the full 5% penalty on your highest balance.
I went through SDOP last year for about $200 of unreported interest income from an account in Japan. They absolutely enforced the full 5% penalty on my highest aggregate balance of around $80k, so I paid about $4,000 in penalties. It was painful but I wanted to be fully compliant and sleep at night. The process itself was straightforward but documentation-heavy. Had to submit 3 years of amended returns and 6 years of FBARs. No audit so far, but it was expensive for peace of mind.
I went through almost exactly this situation two years ago with $18 of unreported dividend income from a Canadian account. After consulting with a tax attorney, I went with Option A - filed the delinquent FBAR and amended my return to report the income. The key is crafting a solid reasonable cause statement that emphasizes three things: 1) You were unaware of the FBAR requirement, 2) The amount of unreported income is truly minimal, and 3) You're voluntarily coming forward to correct the oversight as soon as you discovered it. I included documentation showing when I first learned about FBAR requirements and explained that the oversight was clearly not willful given the tiny amount involved. The IRS accepted my reasonable cause explanation and I received no penalties. The SDOP penalty structure is designed for situations involving significant tax avoidance, not honest mistakes with minimal amounts. For $21 of income, paying thousands in penalties would be completely disproportionate. Option A is definitely your best path forward - just make sure to document everything properly and be completely honest in your reasonable cause statement.
This is really helpful to hear from someone who went through almost the identical situation! Could you share any specifics about what you included in your reasonable cause statement? I'm trying to figure out the right balance between being thorough and not over-explaining. Also, how long did it take to hear back from the IRS after you filed everything?
Tami Morgan
One thing nobody mentioned yet - make sure you check if your state requires you to file a state tax return too! Not relevant for the original poster since they're in Oklahoma which does have state income tax, but some states have different minimum filing requirements than federal. I got burned on this my first year doing freelance work in college. Filed my federal return correctly but had no idea I needed to do a state return too. Ended up with a nasty penalty letter a year later. Don't make my mistake!
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Rami Samuels
ā¢Oklahoma definitely has state income tax! I think you meant to say Texas has no state income tax (where the OP mentioned they live). But you're right that people need to check their state requirements too.
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Tami Morgan
ā¢You're absolutely right! Total brain fart on my part. The original poster mentioned Oklahoma (which does have state income tax) but I was thinking of Texas (which doesn't). Thanks for the correction! My point still stands though - everyone should check their specific state requirements. Some states have really low thresholds for when you need to file, especially for self-employment income.
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Diego Vargas
Just want to add something that helped me tremendously when I was in a similar situation - don't forget about the standard deduction! Even though you're being claimed as a dependent, you still get a standard deduction on your own tax return (though it's limited to your earned income or $1,100, whichever is greater, for 2024). With your $3,950 in 1099-NEC income, after deducting legitimate business expenses (computer equipment, software subscriptions, design materials, etc.), you might find that your taxable income for regular income tax purposes is pretty low or even zero. You'll still owe the self-employment tax on your net profit, but that's separate from regular income tax. Also, since you're a student, look into the American Opportunity Tax Credit - your parents might be able to claim it for your education expenses, which could help offset some of the tax impact for your family overall. It's worth having a conversation with them about this since it affects both your returns.
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Grace Patel
ā¢This is really helpful info about the standard deduction! I had no idea that being claimed as a dependent still allowed me to use it on my own return. That could definitely help reduce what I owe. Quick question - when you mention business expenses like computer equipment, does that include stuff I already owned before I started freelancing? Like I had my laptop and Adobe Creative Suite for school, but then started using them for my graphic design work. Can I deduct a portion of those costs even though I didn't buy them specifically for the business? Also, I'll definitely talk to my parents about the American Opportunity Tax Credit. They've been paying my tuition so that makes total sense that it could help our family's overall tax situation. Thanks for thinking about the bigger picture!
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