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Don't forget about the Earned Income Credit! My ex and I live together with our kids (not married) and we found out that if the lower earning parent claims the kids, you might qualify for EIC which can be substantial.
But they both make six figures. EIC phases out completely around $60k even with multiple kids. They're way beyond the income limits for that credit.
You're totally right! I completely missed the part about them both making around $120k. At that income level, they're definitely over the EIC threshold. For their income level, they should focus more on optimizing the Child Tax Credit, Additional Child Tax Credit, and the Child and Dependent Care Credit. They should also carefully consider who should claim Head of Household status since that provides a more favorable tax bracket structure than filing as Single.
As someone who went through a very similar situation last year with my partner, I'd strongly recommend running the numbers both ways before deciding. We have two kids (3 and 5) and similar income levels, and initially thought splitting the dependents made the most sense. However, after calculating everything out, we found that having me claim both children and file as Head of Household saved us about $2,800 compared to each claiming one child. The key was figuring out who actually pays "more than half" of the home maintenance costs - it's not just mortgage, but also utilities, repairs, property taxes, homeowner's insurance, etc. Since you own the home, you're probably paying property taxes and homeowner's insurance directly, which might push you over the 50% threshold even with her contributing half the mortgage payment. I'd suggest adding up ALL your housing costs for the year and see where you land. Also, whoever claims the kids can claim the childcare expenses for the Dependent Care Credit, regardless of who physically writes the checks to the daycare. This credit can be worth up to $2,100 for two kids, so factor that into your calculations too. One last tip - keep detailed records of who pays what throughout the year. The IRS sometimes scrutinizes unmarried couples' filing status more closely than married couples.
I wanted to add that getting an EIN is super easy these days. You can do it online at the IRS website and get your EIN immediately. It's free and takes maybe 15 minutes tops. Here's the link: https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/apply-for-an-employer-identification-number-ein-online Don't waste money on those "EIN services" that charge you for something you can do yourself for free. Just make sure you have your LLC formation docs handy because they'll ask for the formation date and state.
I tried the online application last week and it wouldn't work for me for some reason. Kept getting an error when I submitted. Is there a certain time of day that's better?
From personal experience, you absolutely want to set up proper business banking from day one. I made the mistake of using a personal account for my first few months of LLC operations and it became a nightmare during tax season - trying to separate business expenses from personal ones was incredibly time-consuming. Regarding the EIN vs SSN question: while you CAN use your SSN for a single-member LLC, I'd strongly recommend getting an EIN anyway. It's free, takes 15 minutes online, and makes everything smoother with banks. Plus, you'll need it eventually if you ever hire employees or change your tax election. Don't let the banking decision hold up getting paid! Most banks can set up a business account quickly once you have your LLC docs and EIN. Credit unions are often faster and cheaper than big banks for small business accounts. The key is keeping those business transactions completely separate from personal ones to maintain your liability protection.
I was trying to figure out the Saver's Credit using FreeTaxUSA but got confused because I also claimed the Child Tax Credit. Do these credits affect each other? My income is around $44k and I'm head of household with 2 kids.
The Saver's Credit and Child Tax Credit are completely separate and don't directly affect each other's calculations. You can claim both! The only "interaction" is that claiming the Child Tax Credit might reduce your tax liability, which could limit how much of the Saver's Credit you can use (since it's non-refundable). With $44k income as head of household with 2 kids, you should qualify for the 10% or 20% tier of the Saver's Credit depending on the exact AGI breakpoints for 2025. Just make sure you're contributing enough to retirement accounts to maximize the credit!
Thanks for explaining! I had about $3,000 in tax liability after all deductions but before credits, and the Child Tax Credit reduced it by $2,000. So I guess I only had $1,000 left that could be offset by the Saver's Credit. Makes sense now why I didn't get the full amount I calculated.
Just wanted to add another important detail about the Saver's Credit that might help others: the AGI thresholds are adjusted annually for inflation, so make sure you're looking at the current year's limits when calculating your eligibility. For 2025, the income limits for married filing jointly are approximately $46,000 for the 50% credit, $50,000 for the 20% credit, and $77,000 for the 10% credit. Since you mentioned your AGI is around $50,000, you might actually be right at the border between the 20% and 10% tiers depending on your exact income. Also worth noting: if you're close to a threshold, even small adjustments to your AGI (like additional traditional IRA contributions) could bump you into a higher credit percentage, making those contributions even more valuable. It's one of those situations where the math can really work in your favor if you plan it right!
I think the broader issue here is setting clear expectations with your CPA. I've had several over the years, and here's what I've learned: 1. Most CPAs are not automatically going to know every local tax requirement in every jurisdiction - they focus on what's common for most of their clients 2. The best approach is to explicitly ask them which jurisdictions they're comfortable/familiar with 3. For any CPA, provide them with a complete list of everywhere you do business or have property 4. Consider a CPA who specializes in multi-state taxation if you operate in several states The reality is that while a great CPA will research requirements they're unfamiliar with, they can't read your mind. You need to be proactive about communicating your full situation.
This makes a lot of sense. I think I've been expecting mind-reading. Do you have a standard list of questions you ask a CPA before hiring them? I'm wondering if I should be looking for a specialist given my situation with businesses in multiple states.
When interviewing CPAs, I ask about their experience with multi-state taxation specifically, including which states they regularly file returns for. I also ask if they have experience with the specific business structures I use (LLCs, S-Corps, etc.) across different states. I've found that larger regional firms often have better resources for multi-state taxation than solo practitioners, though they can be more expensive. If you have significant business across multiple states, it might be worth the investment. Some CPAs also partner with state-specific experts for jurisdictions they're less familiar with, which can be a good compromise approach.
One thing nobody's mentioned - most tax software used by CPAs has significant limitations with local taxes. I worked at a CPA firm for years, and our $30,000/year professional tax software was TERRIBLE at flagging city/local requirements. The bigger firms get around this by having dedicated state & local tax (SALT) departments. If you're using a small or mid-sized firm, they might not have those specialized resources. And solo practitioners are almost certainly going to miss some local requirements unless they specifically practice in those jurisdictions.
So what's the solution then? Should small business owners just accept that we're probably missing filing requirements, or do we need to hire one of the Big 4 accounting firms to avoid problems?
You don't necessarily need Big 4 firms, but you do need to be more strategic. Here are some practical approaches I've seen work: 1. Use a regional firm that specializes in multi-state taxation rather than a solo practitioner 2. Supplement your CPA with tools like the ones mentioned above (taxr.ai for compliance mapping, Claimyr for direct agency contact) 3. Build relationships with local CPAs in each state where you do significant business - they can consult on state-specific issues 4. Consider hiring a SALT consultant for an annual review, even if you don't use them year-round The key is recognizing that one-size-fits-all doesn't work for complex multi-state situations. Your CPA should be honest about their limitations and willing to collaborate with specialists when needed. If they're not, that's a red flag.
Ravi Kapoor
Has anyone dealt with the "step transaction doctrine" issues when selling to a non-physician MSO? Our attorney keeps bringing this up as a risk.
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Amina Diop
ā¢The step transaction doctrine is definitely a concern in these deals. The IRS may collapse a series of transactions into a single transaction if they appear to be pre-arranged steps of a single transaction. In medical practice/MSO arrangements, this often comes up when the practice "sells" assets to the MSO but continues operating as before with artificially high management fees flowing back. If the IRS applies the step transaction doctrine, they could recharacterize the entire arrangement, potentially causing the S-Corp to lose its status or treating the management fees as disguised purchase payments with different tax treatment. To avoid this, the MSO arrangement needs to have legitimate business purpose beyond tax advantages, the management fees must represent fair market value for actual services, and operational control needs to be appropriately divided between clinical (physician) and non-clinical (MSO) functions.
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Aurora Lacasse
This is exactly the type of complex transaction where getting multiple professional opinions is crucial. I went through a similar sale of my orthopedic practice to a private equity group last year, and the interplay between tax optimization, regulatory compliance, and deal structure was mind-boggling. One aspect that really caught me off guard was how the valuation methodology impacts the tax treatment. The buyers wanted to use an income approach that allocated most value to the management contract (ordinary income for me), while I pushed for an asset approach that recognized more goodwill value (capital gains treatment). The difference was substantial - nearly $200K in my case. Also, don't underestimate the importance of the transition period length. We structured a 24-month earnout that allowed me to maintain some S-Corp ownership while gradually transferring to a physician employee. This provided tax deferral benefits and gave the MSO time to prove their operational capabilities before I fully exited. The regulatory landscape varies significantly by state and specialty. Orthopedics has different compliance requirements than primary care, and some states are much more restrictive about MSO fee arrangements than others. Make sure your attorney has specific experience with medical practice transactions in your state and specialty.
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