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IRS Transcript Shows 7 Week Gap Between 09-16 Cancelled Refund Check and 11-04 Reissue Date - Codes Explained

I filed my taxes and initially received a refund issued on September 16th, 2024 but never received it. Had to do a trace on the check and now looking at my transcript I'm seeing some concerning things. According to my tax transcript, my account balance is $0 with no accrued interest or penalties as of 11-04-2024. The transcript shows a series of transactions with detailed codes. There's my original refund that was issued (Code 846) on 09-16-2024, but then there's a "Refund cancelled" (Code 841) for the same date. They also removed the interest that was credited to my account (Code 777) from the September refund. Looking at the full transaction history: - Credit to my account (Code 766) on 04-15-2024 - Another Credit to my account (Code 766) on 04-15-2024 - Amended tax return or claim forwarded for processing (Code 971) on 03-25-2024 - Another amended tax return or claim forwarded for processing (Code 971) on 07-02-2024 - Reduced or removed credit to my account (Code 767) on 04-15-2024 - Another reduced or removed credit to my account (Code 767) on 04-15-2024 - Earned income credit (Code 764) on 04-15-2024 - Reduced or removed prior tax assessed (Code 291) on 09-02-2024 (reference: 07254-627-05288-4) - Additional tax assessed (Code 290) on 09-09-2024 (amount: 0.00, reference: 07254-627-05289-4) - Refund issued (Code 846) on 09-16-2024 - Interest credited to my account (Code 776) on 09-16-2024 - Request for replacement refund (Code 971) on 10-07-2024 - Refund cancelled (Code 841) on 09-16-2024 - Reduced or removed interest credited to my account (Code 777) on 09-16-2024 Now I'm seeing a new refund date (Code 846) of November 4th, 2024 with a new interest credit (Code 776) added back on the same date. The processing date shows a "T" code with "No tax return filed" which is strange because I definitely filed. The return information section shows zeros for tax per return, SE taxable income, and total self-employment tax. Why does it take so long to reissue a refund check? My request for replacement refund was processed on 10-07-2024 (Code 971), but the new refund isn't issued until 11-04-2024. Is anyone else dealing with this kind of delay and all these transcript codes? The waiting game is frustrating.

Riya Sharma

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The codes on your transcript tell the whole story! Code 971 entries from March and July show you had amended returns being processed, which probably contributed to the complexity. When you requested the trace on 10/07 (another Code 971), the IRS had to cancel your original 09/16 refund (Code 841) and remove the interest (Code 777). The September codes 290/291 show some tax adjustments happened right before your original refund too. November 4th shows your fresh refund (Code 846) with new interest (Code 776). The 7-week gap is typical - they need time to verify the original check wasn't deposited before issuing a replacement. Your account balance is clean at $0 so you should be all set once that November check arrives!

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Freya Nielsen

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This is super helpful! I'm new to reading transcripts and was totally confused by all these codes. It's reassuring to know that the 7-week wait is normal for traces and not just the IRS being inefficient. Really appreciate you breaking down what each code means - makes me feel way less anxious about the whole process!

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Liam Mendez

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I went through something similar last year! The transcript codes can be overwhelming but they actually tell a clear story once you understand them. Your Code 971 entries show you had amended returns in March and July, which definitely complicates processing. When you requested the trace in October, the IRS had to go through their standard verification process - they can't just reissue immediately because they need Treasury to confirm the original check wasn't cashed somewhere. The 7-week gap between cancellation and reissue is actually on the faster side from what I've seen. Some people wait 3+ months! The good news is your account shows a clean $0 balance with no penalties, and the November 4th codes (846 and 776) show everything processed correctly. Make sure your address is current in their system and consider setting up informed delivery with USPS to track when it actually arrives. You should be getting that check soon!

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Carter Holmes

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This is exactly what I needed to hear! I was getting really worried that something was wrong with my case since it's been months since I filed. It's good to know that the 7-week timeline is actually pretty reasonable for a trace situation. I'll definitely set up that informed delivery - didn't even think of that. Thanks for taking the time to explain everything so clearly!

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Ethan Taylor

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I'm dealing with this exact same situation! My wife and I got married in 2022 but I forgot to update my employer until this year. I've been paying taxes on about $8k in domestic partner imputed income that should have stopped after our marriage. I'm curious about the timing aspect - for the year you got married (2021 in your case), did you prorate the imputed income correction only for the months after your marriage date? Or did you remove the entire year's worth? I want to make sure I handle my 2022 amendment correctly since we got married in June of that year. Also, has anyone had success getting their employer to at least provide a letter or statement confirming the imputed income amounts and dates, even if they won't issue corrected W-2s? That might help strengthen the documentation package for the IRS.

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For the year you got married, you should definitely prorate the correction based on your actual marriage date. So if you got married in June 2022, you'd only remove the imputed income from July through December 2022 on your amended return. The IRS will expect this level of precision since the tax treatment legitimately changed on your marriage date. Regarding employer documentation, I had good luck getting HR to provide a letter confirming the imputed income amounts and the period it was included in my pay, even though they refused to issue corrected W-2s. They framed it as "confirming payroll information" rather than admitting any error. This documentation definitely helped support my amended returns - the IRS agent I spoke with said having employer confirmation of the amounts makes the review process much smoother. You might also want to pull all your paystubs from the relevant periods to create a detailed timeline showing exactly when the imputed income appeared and in what amounts. This creates a clear paper trail that supports your correction calculations.

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Just wanted to add another perspective on this issue - I work in HR and see this situation come up more often than you'd think. While your employer is technically not required to issue corrected W-2s for prior years (especially if they consider the reporting accurate based on their records at the time), they should definitely be willing to provide documentation supporting your amendment. One thing that might help with your employer: frame the request as needing "payroll verification" rather than asking them to admit an error. Most HR departments will provide a letter confirming what was included in your taxable wages and when, especially if you explain it's needed for tax compliance purposes. Also, don't forget to check if your employer has a flexible spending account or dependent care assistance program that might have been affected by this marital status change. Sometimes there are additional tax benefits you might have missed out on that could be recovered through the amendment process. The good news is the IRS sees domestic partner/spouse benefit corrections regularly, so your situation isn't unusual to them. Just make sure you have solid documentation of your marriage date and the imputed income timeline.

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Yuki Yamamoto

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This is really helpful insight from the HR perspective! I'm wondering - when you mention framing it as "payroll verification," what specific language have you found works best when employees make these requests? I'm planning to approach my HR department next week about getting documentation for my situation, and I want to make sure I ask in a way that's most likely to get a positive response. Also, you mentioned flexible spending accounts - could you elaborate on how marriage might affect FSA eligibility or contribution limits? I hadn't considered that there might be other benefits beyond just the health insurance imputed income that could be affected by the marital status change.

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As someone who's dealt with multiple IRS issues over the years, I can confirm that the mysterious "hold time" is often just agents struggling with their ancient computer systems. But here's something that's helped me get better results: Before calling, I always pull my own account transcript from the IRS website and write down ALL the transaction codes, dates, and dollar amounts I can see. When the agent puts me on hold to "research," I'm ready with specific codes to reference. For example, instead of saying "I'm missing my refund," I'll say "I see transaction code 846 for my refund date of X, but there's also a 570 freeze code from Y date - can you tell me what's causing this freeze?" This usually gets me past the generic responses because they realize I can see the same basic info they're looking at. The key is speaking their language with specific codes and dates rather than general complaints. It doesn't solve the underlying problem of their terrible systems, but it definitely gets you taken more seriously by the agents.

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Ethan Taylor

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This is exactly the kind of preparation that makes a huge difference! I've been dealing with a complex issue involving multiple tax years, and I was getting nowhere until I started doing exactly what you described. One thing I'd add - if you're not sure what specific transaction codes mean, the IRS Publication 6209 (available online) has a comprehensive list. I spent an hour studying it before my last call, and when I mentioned that I had a 971 notice code with no corresponding resolution, the agent immediately knew I wasn't just another confused taxpayer calling blindly. Also, @f0a5c9e0aa63, have you found any particular time of day or day of the week when you get more knowledgeable agents? I've noticed Tuesday-Thursday mornings seem to connect me with agents who are more willing to dig deeper into the systems rather than just giving standard responses.

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PixelPrincess

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Having gone through this exact frustration myself, I can add a few insights from my recent experiences. The "mysterious hold time" often involves agents checking multiple disconnected systems that don't talk to each other well. But here's what I've learned works better: **Before calling, prepare like you're going to court:** - Pull your account transcript and wage & income transcript - Have your Social Security card, photo ID, and all relevant tax documents ready - Write down specific questions with transaction codes (not just "where's my refund") **During the call:** - Ask for the agent's SEID number (employee ID) - this shows you're serious about accountability - If they can't help, specifically request transfer to the "Technical Support" line rather than just asking for a supervisor - Always ask "What will show up in my account notes from this call?" and request they read it back **The game-changer:** If you have a complex issue, ask to speak with an "Accounts Management" representative directly rather than starting with customer service. They have broader system access and can often resolve things the front-line agents simply cannot touch. I've found that being prepared with specific codes and showing I understand the process gets me transferred to more knowledgeable agents much faster than starting with general complaints.

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Harmony Love

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Reading through this entire discussion has been incredibly helpful! I'm a new member here and just encountered my first Schedule AI situation this tax season. Like many others, I was completely confused by how the annualization method works with irregular income timing. What really helped me understand was the combination of explanations here - the "snapshot" analogy showing how each period projects forward based on current income patterns, and the "time machine" concept explaining that you're not expected to predict future income events. My situation involved steady employment income through August, then a job change with a signing bonus in September, followed by higher monthly salary for the rest of the year. I was worried I had messed up my estimated payments, but after reading these explanations, I realize the form is designed to handle exactly this type of income variability. The fact that the original poster ended up only $20 off their total tax liability really demonstrates how well Schedule AI works when you follow the annualization method correctly. It's reassuring to know that the system is actually designed to be fair to taxpayers rather than punitive, even though it's not immediately intuitive. Thank you to everyone who took the time to explain this complex topic so clearly - this thread has been more helpful than any official IRS publication I've tried to read!

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Rachel Tao

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Welcome to the community! Your situation with the job change and signing bonus is actually a perfect example of how Schedule AI is designed to work. The form will treat your steady employment income through August as one pattern, then when the signing bonus hits in September, it creates a new projection for the remaining periods. What's great about your case is that the signing bonus and salary increase happened in Q3, so you had time to adjust your Q4 estimated payment if needed. The beauty of the annualized method is that it doesn't penalize you for income changes that happen mid-year - it just adjusts the calculations going forward. I'm curious how your calculations turned out! Did you find that your required payments increased significantly after the job change, or was the impact more gradual? Your experience could be really helpful for others in similar situations with mid-year employment changes.

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As a newcomer to this community, I want to thank everyone for this incredibly detailed discussion! I'm dealing with my first Schedule AI this year after starting a side business alongside my W-2 job, and I was completely overwhelmed by the form. The explanations here about how each period creates its own "snapshot" projection have been game-changing for my understanding. I was making the same mistake as the original poster - thinking I needed to somehow predict my entire year's business income back in January and divide it into equal quarterly payments. What really clicked for me was understanding that the annualized income method is actually protecting taxpayers with variable income. My business had slow revenue in Q1-Q2 but picked up significantly in Q3-Q4. Without Schedule AI, I would have been penalized for not paying 25% of my actual annual tax by March 15th, even though my business barely existed then! The fact that you ended up only $20 off your total tax liability really shows how well the system works when properly applied. It gives me confidence that I can navigate my own Schedule AI calculations correctly. This thread has been more educational than hours of trying to decipher IRS publications - thank you all for sharing your experiences and insights!

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Welcome to the community! Your side business situation is exactly why Schedule AI exists - it's so common for new businesses to have that slow start followed by growth later in the year. I went through something similar when I started freelancing, and the form initially seemed designed to trip me up rather than help. What really helped me was keeping detailed records of my business income by quarter, which made filling out Schedule AI much easier. Since your business picked up in Q3-Q4, you probably found that your required Q4 payment was higher than earlier quarters, but that's exactly how it should work - you're paying based on your actual income pattern, not some artificial projection. The $20 accuracy that the original poster achieved really is impressive and shows the system working as intended. I'd be curious to hear how close your calculations ended up being! Most of us were off by much more in our first year with variable income.

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Is forming an LLC legal if it hasn't generated any revenue yet?

I need to set up a bank account so I can create a business PayPal account to accept subscription payments for my service. My business model is similar to Netflix, offering monthly subscriptions for access to content. I know there are ways to have a business bank account without formally creating an LLC, but for personal reasons, I really need to establish the LLC before launching my service to the public. The thing is, I'm completely lost when it comes to business accounting and tax obligations. I don't have much money saved up, not even enough for a basic consultation with an accountant. My current plan is to form the LLC, launch my service, and then once I've earned around $1,000 (which I'm hoping is sufficient for an accounting consultation), I'll hire a professional to handle everything from that point forward. My main concern is that I have no guarantee I'll make even a single dollar in the first few months after launch. I'm optimistic, but realistic. I want to make sure I'm following all legal requirements for business formation and tax compliance. Would it be considered illegal to form an LLC without immediately hiring an accountant because the business hasn't generated any income yet? I imagine that would only become a problem if I were to make substantial money (like $10,000) and then wait until the following year to consult an accountant. I fully intend to hire an accountant once the business generates enough income to afford one. Can anyone give me a ballpark figure on what I might expect to pay for accounting services for a small subscription-based LLC? I want to launch with everything legally established, but I'd prefer to wait until there's actual revenue before investing in accounting services. Any advice from those with experience would be greatly appreciated.

Andre Dupont

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One important thing nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you check your state's requirements for ongoing LLC compliance! In my state (California), you have to pay an $800 annual franchise tax just to maintain your LLC, regardless of whether you make any money. I learned this the hard way and got hit with penalties because I thought "no income = no taxes." Keep in mind there might be: - Annual state fees/franchise taxes - Annual reports/statements of information - Business license renewals - Registered agent fees These costs exist even when you're pre-revenue, so factor them into your startup budget. Each state is different, so check your specific location.

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Zara Khan

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Thanks for bringing this up - I hadn't even considered state-specific fees. Do you know if there's an easy way to find out what my state requires without having to navigate through confusing government websites? I'm in Texas if that helps.

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Andre Dupont

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Texas is actually one of the better states for LLCs! They don't have the annual franchise tax minimum that California has (the $800 I mentioned). Texas does require you to file a "Public Information Report" annually, but there's typically no fee if your revenue is below certain thresholds. The Texas Secretary of State website is relatively straightforward compared to most states, or you can just Google "Texas LLC annual requirements" for a summary. The main thing you'll need to budget for is the initial filing fee when forming the LLC (around $300 in Texas). Much better than California where you'd be paying $800 every year regardless of profit!

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Zoe Papadakis

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Don't overthink this! I formed my LLC 2 years before I made a single dollar. Just keep your business and personal finances separate from day one (separate bank account is a must), track all expenses meticulously, and save receipts for everything. For accounting software, check out Wave - it's completely free for basic accounting and receipt tracking. You can connect your business bank account and it'll pull in all transactions automatically. When you start making money, I'd recommend getting professional help around the $5k revenue mark. Before that, most accountants will charge you more than they're saving you.

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ThunderBolt7

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Is Wave really completely free? What's the catch? I've been looking at QuickBooks but the monthly subscription feels steep when I'm not making money yet.

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Ella Cofer

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Wave is genuinely free for basic accounting features - they make money by offering paid services like payroll processing and payment processing for invoices. The core accounting software (expense tracking, basic reports, bank connections) is completely free with no limits. I've been using it for 18 months now and haven't paid a cent. The only "catch" is that their customer support is limited for free users, and some advanced features require upgrading. But for a new LLC just tracking expenses and basic income, it's perfect. Much better than paying $30/month for QuickBooks when you're not even making money yet.

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