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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - when both spouses work, you might hit the "marriage penalty" depending on your income levels. Basically, if both of you make similar incomes, you could end up in a higher tax bracket than if you were single. However, if one spouse makes significantly more than the other (which might be the case at first if your wife is just returning to work), you might actually get a "marriage bonus" where you pay less than two single people would. Make sure whatever withholding calculator you use accounts for this. We got surprised with a $2,900 tax bill the first year both my wife and I worked full-time because our withholdings didn't account for the combined income pushing us into a higher bracket.
The marriage penalty typically affects couples where both spouses have similar moderate to high incomes. For 2024, it's most noticeable in the 22% and 24% tax brackets. If you're both making around $65K, you're definitely in the range where this can hurt. The penalty happens because the tax brackets for married filing jointly aren't exactly double the single brackets at higher income levels. For example, the 22% bracket for singles goes up to about $47K, but for married filing jointly it only goes up to about $89K (not $94K which would be double). A few strategies that can help: maximize your 401(k) contributions to reduce taxable income, consider if itemizing deductions makes sense now that you have two incomes, and definitely use the IRS withholding calculator or a tool like taxr.ai to make sure you're withholding enough throughout the year. The last thing you want is a surprise tax bill in April!
This is really helpful information about the marriage penalty! I'm just starting to understand how complex this gets when both spouses work. One question - you mentioned maximizing 401(k) contributions as a strategy. If my wife is just returning to work, she probably won't have access to a 401(k) right away at her new job. Are there other ways we can reduce our taxable income in the meantime? Also, is it worth considering having her contribute to a traditional IRA vs Roth IRA given our situation?
I'm really sorry to hear about your financial difficulties, @Ethan Wilson. As others have mentioned, the October 15th deadline is typically final for individual returns, and the IRS doesn't usually grant additional extensions for financial hardship alone. However, I want to emphasize what several others have pointed out - since you're expecting a refund, you're actually in a better position than you might think. There are NO penalties for filing late when you're owed money back. The IRS essentially owes YOU money, so the only consequence of filing late is delaying your refund. Given your current financial struggles with the 401k loan payments, getting that refund as quickly as possible should be your top priority. That money could provide some of the breathing room you're looking for while dealing with your legal situation. If gathering all your tax documents is the main obstacle, consider requesting your wage and income transcripts from the IRS using Form 4506-T. This will show you exactly what income information they already have on file, which might be enough to complete your return even if you're missing some original documents. Don't let the stress of the deadline prevent you from claiming money that's rightfully yours. You have up to 3 years to file for a refund, but why wait when you need those funds now?
This is exactly the kind of practical advice that @Ethan Wilson needs right now! I went through something similar when I was laid off a few years ago - I was so stressed about deadlines that I almost forgot the whole point was to get my refund money back. @Anderson Prospero makes a great point about Form 4506-T. I had to use that when my former employer was slow sending my W-2, and it was a lifesaver. The transcript basically gave me everything I needed to file. One thing I'd add - if you do end up filing late and getting your refund, that money isn't taxable income when you receive it (since it's your own overpaid taxes coming back). So you won't have to worry about it affecting next year's tax situation. Focus on getting that money in your hands to help with those 401k loan payments!
I completely understand the stress you're going through, @Ethan Wilson. Financial hardship combined with legal issues creates such overwhelming pressure, and it's natural to want more time to sort everything out. However, I have to agree with what others have said - the IRS generally doesn't grant extensions beyond October 15th for individual taxpayers, even in cases of financial hardship. The October deadline is considered the final extension for most situations. But here's the silver lining that I think deserves emphasis: since you mentioned you're expecting a refund, you're actually in a much better position than someone who owes taxes. When you're owed money back, there's absolutely no penalty for filing late - you just delay getting your own money back. And given your current financial struggles with that 401k loan, getting that refund should be your immediate priority. I'd strongly recommend filing as soon as you can gather your documents, rather than trying to get another extension. That refund money could provide exactly the breathing room you need while waiting for your legal situation to resolve. You have up to 3 years to claim it, but why wait when you need the funds now? If missing documents are the main obstacle, definitely look into requesting your IRS transcripts using Form 4506-T as others have suggested. Sometimes what the IRS already has on file is sufficient to complete your return.
Isn't the whole point of an S Corp to save on self-employment taxes? If you're making $180k in revenue, paying $850 for an accountant might actually save you money in the long run through better tax strategies. Software can file forms but won't necessarily optimize your tax situation.
That's a really good point that I hadn't fully considered. My main reason for electing S Corp status was indeed to save on self-employment taxes. My accountant last year did help structure things efficiently with my salary vs. distribution ratio. I guess I need to weigh the software savings against potential missed optimization opportunities. Do you think there's a middle ground? Like using software to prepare the forms but maybe having an accountant review them for an hour or two at a lower rate?
That middle ground approach can absolutely work! Many accountants offer a "review only" service that's significantly cheaper than full preparation. You'd prepare everything using software, then they review for optimization opportunities and red flags. In my experience, the best tax savings come from planning throughout the year, not just at filing time. Consider finding an accountant who offers quarterly check-ins to help with ongoing strategy (like timing purchases, retirement contributions, etc.). Even with just a review service, a good accountant should be able to identify if your salary/distribution split is optimal for your situation, which is the main S Corp advantage.
Just wanted to add another perspective here - I've been doing my own S Corp taxes for the past 4 years and have tried several of the software options mentioned. One thing that really helped me was understanding that the IRS has free fillable forms online that you can use for Form 1120-S if you're comfortable with tax forms. It's not as user-friendly as commercial software, but it's completely free and gets the job done. That said, if you do go the software route, I'd strongly recommend avoiding any program that doesn't specifically market itself as handling S Corp returns. The nuances around reasonable compensation, built-in gains, and pass-through calculations are too important to mess up with generic business software. Also, don't forget that as an S Corp, you'll need to file quarterly payroll taxes (941s) if you're paying yourself a salary, which is separate from the annual 1120-S filing. Make sure whatever solution you choose accounts for that ongoing compliance requirement too.
Thanks for mentioning the free fillable forms option! I'm pretty comfortable with tax concepts but hadn't considered going that route. Quick question - when you use the IRS free fillable forms for the 1120-S, how do you handle the K-1 generation? Does it automatically create those based on your inputs, or do you have to fill out separate K-1 forms manually? Also, you're absolutely right about the quarterly 941s - I've been handling those through my payroll service but it's good to remember that's an ongoing requirement separate from the annual filing. For someone just starting to self-prepare S Corp returns, would you recommend beginning with software and then potentially moving to free fillable forms once more comfortable with the process?
Let me tell you what happened to me last year - got my state refund in February while my federal was under review, then in JULY the IRS finally processed my federal with adjustments. Had to amend my state return and ended up owing them money! Plus penalties! The worst part was I'd already spent the refund on home repairs (sounds familiar?) and had to scramble to pay it back. Now I always wait until both are finalized before spending any refund money. Lesson learned the hard way!
This is such a common concern for new filers! Yes, you can absolutely receive your state refund while your federal return is under review. As others have mentioned, these are completely separate systems. I've been through this situation twice - once in 2022 and again last year. Both times my state refund arrived within 2-3 weeks while my federal took 8+ weeks to clear review. However, I want to echo what Omar and Chloe mentioned about potential complications. If the IRS makes adjustments to your federal return that affect your state taxes (like changing your AGI or deductions), you may need to file an amended state return later. This could mean owing money back to the state, sometimes with interest. My advice: Go ahead and expect your state refund to process normally, but maybe hold off on spending it until your federal review is complete. That way you're covered if any adjustments are needed. Good luck with your home improvements - hopefully both refunds come through smoothly!
This is really helpful advice about holding off on spending the state refund! I'm curious though - when you say "adjustments that affect your state taxes," what are the most common types of changes that would require amending a state return? Is it mainly income adjustments, or are there other things to watch out for? As a first-time married filer, I want to make sure I understand what could potentially go wrong so I can be prepared.
Ryan Kim
Based on everything discussed here, it sounds like you have a classic case of worker misclassification. The fact that they're controlling your schedule (9-5 weekdays), providing equipment (laptop), requiring you to attend team meetings, and having you report to a supervisor are all red flags that you should be classified as a W-2 employee, not a 1099 contractor. If you're truly misclassified, then yes - they should be withholding taxes from your pay, but they should also be treating you as an employee with proper benefits and paying their portion of employment taxes. The payment discrepancy you're experiencing might actually be them incorrectly trying to withhold taxes while still classifying you as a contractor - which creates problems for both of you. I'd recommend taking a two-pronged approach: 1) Get immediate clarity on the payment discrepancy by requesting an itemized breakdown, and 2) Research worker misclassification rules and consider whether your working relationship actually meets the criteria for independent contractor status. The IRS has clear guidelines on this, and misclassification can have significant financial implications for both you and your employer.
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Ava Garcia
•This is really helpful analysis! I'm new to all this tax stuff and didn't realize there were such specific rules about contractor vs employee classification. Based on what everyone's saying, it does sound like my situation might be misclassification rather than just a payment error. The combination of set hours, company equipment, and supervision really does seem more like employee treatment. I think I'll start by asking for that itemized payment breakdown like you suggested, and then look into the IRS guidelines on worker classification. Thanks everyone for all the detailed explanations - this community has been incredibly informative for someone just starting out with contractor work!
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Chloe Davis
Welcome to the community! This is a really common issue that trips up a lot of new contractors. From reading through all the responses, it sounds like you've got two potential issues here: either worker misclassification (which seems likely given the set hours, company equipment, and supervision you described) or undisclosed deductions in your contract. The good news is that both have solutions. If it's misclassification, getting properly reclassified as a W-2 employee would actually benefit you since you'd stop paying the employer portion of Social Security and Medicare taxes (that extra 7.65% everyone mentioned). If it's just contract deductions, at least you'll know what you're actually agreeing to going forward. I'd suggest starting with that itemized payment breakdown request - it's the quickest way to get clarity. Most legitimate companies should be able to provide this within a day or two. If they can't or won't explain the discrepancy clearly, that's another red flag that something isn't right with how they're handling your employment status. Keep us updated on what you find out! These kinds of posts really help other newcomers who might be facing similar situations.
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