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OP, I strongly recommend registering as an LLC even though you can file Schedule C. The liability protection is worth it for woodworking where clients could potentially get injured from your work. I learned this lesson after a client tried to sue me when their kid got a splinter from a table I made!
LLC doesn't completely protect you from everything though. You still need good business insurance, especially for woodworking/construction. The LLC mainly helps separate business debts from personal assets but won't shield you if someone claims negligence in your actual work.
Jessica, congrats on your growing woodworking business! Since you're making substantial income now, I'd also recommend looking into business insurance if you haven't already. General liability coverage is relatively inexpensive but crucial when you're doing installations in clients' homes - especially kitchen work where there's potential for property damage or injury. One more tax tip that helped me when I transitioned my side business: start putting aside 25-30% of each payment you receive into a separate savings account for taxes. Between federal income tax, state tax (if applicable), and that 15.3% self-employment tax Isaiah mentioned, it adds up quickly. I learned this the hard way my first year when I had to scramble to pay a big tax bill! Also keep detailed records of your business activities - not just receipts but also client contracts, project timelines, and communications. The IRS loves documentation that shows you're operating as a legitimate business rather than just a hobby that occasionally makes money.
This is really helpful advice about setting aside money for taxes! I'm curious about the business vs hobby distinction you mentioned - are there specific criteria the IRS uses to determine if it's a legitimate business? I'm worried since I started this as a hobby that they might question whether it's really a business now, especially since I still have my regular job. How do you document that you're operating as a real business?
Has anyone suggested an Offer in Compromise? With her financial situation (limited assets, upcoming student loan payments), she might qualify to settle the debt for less than the full amount. When I went through something similar, I was able to settle a $23k tax debt for about $5k based on my financial circumstances.
I tried the OIC route and it was rejected. The IRS is really strict about their calculations - they look at potential future income, not just current circumstances. They also take forever to process these applications. My advice is to get on an installment plan immediately to stop collection actions, THEN explore an OIC as a secondary option if you qualify.
I went through a very similar situation last year - CP504 notice, worker misclassification issues, and financial stress. Here's what I learned from the experience: 1. **Immediate action**: Call the IRS number on the notice TODAY. Explain the address issue and request a hold on collection activities. They're usually understanding about mail delivery problems and will give you extra time. 2. **Worker classification**: Since there's confusion about W-2 vs contractor status, definitely file Form SS-8 for an official determination. If she was misclassified, the employer becomes responsible for their portion of payroll taxes, which can significantly reduce her liability. 3. **Payment options**: Don't panic about the $19k lump sum. The IRS would much rather have you on a payment plan than deal with levy procedures. A streamlined installment agreement is very doable for this amount. 4. **Professional help**: Given the complexity (worker misclassification, financial hardship, timing issues), consider getting professional assistance. Sometimes having someone who knows the system can save you thousands in the long run. The key is acting quickly but not making decisions out of panic. The CP504 is serious, but it's a warning, not an immediate action. You have options, and the IRS is generally willing to work with people who communicate proactively rather than ignoring the notices.
This is really helpful advice! I'm dealing with a similar situation right now and the stress has been overwhelming. Quick question - when you filed Form SS-8 for the worker classification issue, how long did it take to get a determination from the IRS? And were you able to get the installment plan set up before the SS-8 was resolved, or did you have to wait for that determination first? I'm worried about timing since my deadline is coming up fast.
I had almost the exact same situation at a pet salon in Texas. Make sure your contract specifically states you're renting SPACE, not working for a percentage. Also, double check your state's regulations too - some states have additional rules beyond the IRS requirements. In my case, we all had to get our own business licenses, display our own price lists, and maintain separate appointment books to clearly show we were independent. Our shop owner actually got sued by someone who claimed they were misclassified, but the case was dismissed because we had all the proper documentation.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I didn't even think about checking state-specific regulations. I'll definitely look into that. Did your salon owner do anything special with the rental agreements or business structure after going through that lawsuit?
After the lawsuit scare, our owner got much more formal with everything. She had a lawyer create a standardized booth rental agreement that explicitly stated we were not employees and had no expectation of benefits or protection under employment laws. She also required all of us to provide proof of our business registration and insurance policies annually. One smart thing she did was create a separate LLC that owned the building, and then her grooming business just rented space there like the rest of us. That extra layer of separation made it super clear that the relationship was landlord/tenant rather than employer/worker. The owner also stopped providing any supplies at all - even things like shampoo and cleaning products had to be purchased individually or through a cost-sharing agreement between groomers. It was slightly less convenient but much cleaner from a business separation standpoint.
This is such a helpful thread! I'm a new groomer considering a similar arrangement and was worried about the legality. It sounds like the key is having proper documentation and true independence in your operations. One thing I'm curious about - for those of you who have been through audits or dealt with the IRS directly, do they actually ask to see your rental agreements and business records? I want to make sure I'm keeping the right paperwork from day one. Also, has anyone dealt with workers' comp issues? I assume since we're independent contractors we need our own coverage, but I want to make sure I'm not missing anything that could come back to bite me later.
I see so many people having problems with backdoor Roths. Is it even worth it anymore? I've been thinking about doing one but these issues make me nervous.
It's definitely worth it if you're over the income limit for direct Roth contributions. The paperwork isn't that bad once you understand it. The key is making sure you report both steps: 1. Non-deductible Traditional IRA contribution (Form 8606) 2. Conversion to Roth IRA (also on Form 8606) Most issues happen because people miss reporting step 1. As long as you document everything properly, backdoor Roths are still a great strategy for high earners.
Just went through this exact same nightmare with my 2022-2023 backdoor Roth situation. The cascade effect is real and super frustrating! What helped me was creating a timeline of exactly what happened each year: - 2022: What contributions were made, what conversions happened, what forms were filed - 2023: What excess showed up, what penalties were assessed - Current year: What's carrying forward Once I mapped it out, I could see that I had properly made the non-deductible contribution in 2022 but my tax software didn't generate the Form 8606 correctly. The IRS saw the Roth conversion but not the underlying traditional IRA contribution basis, so they treated the whole conversion as taxable income PLUS flagged it as an excess contribution. The good news is that once you fix the original year (sounds like 2022 for you), the excess contribution issue should resolve. You'll need to amend both 2022 and 2023, but after that you should be clear. Don't let this scare you away from backdoor Roths - they're still worth it, just need to be extra careful with the paperwork!
This is such a helpful way to approach it! Creating a timeline really makes sense - I'm going to do exactly this to map out what happened in my situation. It sounds like the tax software issue you had might be similar to what I experienced. I've been using TurboTax and I wonder if it didn't properly generate my Form 8606 either. Did you end up having to pay any penalties while waiting for the amendments to be processed, or were you able to get those waived once you showed it was a reporting error rather than an actual excess contribution?
Dmitry Volkov
TurboTax and their fees are such a scam tbh
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Ava Thompson
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Isabella Santos
Same situation here! Filed 2 weeks ago with TurboTax and chose refund payment option. Got the "payment complete" status yesterday and was hoping it meant good news. Sounds like from what everyone's saying I shouldn't get my hopes up too much yet š Going to check my transcript like Amara suggested
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Landon Flounder
ā¢Smart move checking your transcript! That's really the only way to know what's actually happening. The TurboTax payment status is basically meaningless for tracking your actual refund unfortunately. If you need help reading the transcript, that taxr.ai tool people mentioned above actually sounds pretty helpful - might be worth the buck if the transcript is too confusing to decode yourself!
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