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Zainab Omar

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I just went through this last year. The most important thing is timing - if the annuity company already cut the check to the estate with 20% withholding, unfortunately you've likely lost the ability to do any kind of inherited IRA rollover. The distribution to the estate is considered the taxable event. Remember that on the 1041, you'll report the FULL amount of the annuity as income (including the 20% withheld), and then show the withholding as a credit. When the estate distributes the money to you, you'll receive a K-1 showing your share of the estate's income, deductions, etc. One potential silver lining - check if the deceased had any unrecovered investment in the annuity contract. If they made after-tax contributions to the annuity, a portion of the distribution might be non-taxable return of basis.

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Connor Murphy

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Where would you find info about unrecovered investment? My dad had an annuity and I have no idea if he made after-tax contributions or not.

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Zainab Omar

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Look for Form 1099-R that would have been issued to the estate when the distribution was made. Box 5 would show the employee contributions or insurance premiums, which represents the after-tax amount. You can also contact the annuity company directly and ask for the "cost basis" or "investment in the contract" information. They should have records of any after-tax contributions. Additionally, check the deceased's past tax returns if available, as they may have been reporting partially taxable annuity payments while alive, which would indicate there was some after-tax money in there.

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CosmosCaptain

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I'm dealing with a very similar situation right now with my aunt's estate. One thing that might be worth exploring - and I'm not sure if this applies to your specific case - is whether the annuity company properly followed the required distribution procedures when there's no named beneficiary. In some cases, if the annuity company didn't give proper notice to potential beneficiaries or follow state law requirements for estate distributions, there might be grounds to challenge the distribution method. I've heard of situations where this led to the ability to "undo" the estate distribution and have it paid directly to the heir instead. You might want to review the annuity contract terms and your state's laws about how these distributions should be handled. If there were procedural errors, it could potentially open up options that wouldn't normally be available once the money hits the estate. Also, make sure you're not missing any deadlines for estate tax elections or other time-sensitive decisions. Some states have different rules about inherited annuities that could affect your tax situation.

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This is really interesting - I hadn't thought about challenging the distribution procedure itself. Do you know what specific requirements annuity companies have to follow when there's no beneficiary? My uncle's annuity company just sent a letter saying they were distributing to the estate, but I never got any formal notice about options or timeframes. Also, you mentioned state law requirements - would this vary significantly between states? The annuity was issued in Ohio but my uncle lived in Pennsylvania when he passed, so I'm wondering which state's laws would apply to the distribution procedures. If there were procedural errors, about how long do you typically have to challenge something like this? I'm worried I might already be past any deadlines since the distribution happened several months ago.

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Something that hasn't been mentioned yet - don't forget to consider Section 179 expensing or bonus depreciation for these POS systems! Assuming your client has enough income, you might be able to write off the entire cost in year 1 anyway, making the 5 vs 7 year question less important for current tax savings. Just make sure to document your reasoning for the classification you choose in case it becomes relevant later on. I typically include a brief memo in the tax file explaining the rationale behind asset classifications that aren't explicitly covered in the IRS publications.

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Chris Elmeda

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Good point about Section 179! But what about the tangible property regulations? Depending on the cost of each POS terminal, they might fall under the de minimis safe harbor if the taxpayer has an applicable financial statement and a written capitalization policy. My firm has been encouraging clients to adopt a $5,000 threshold when possible.

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Jamal Wilson

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As someone who's dealt with this exact scenario multiple times, I can confirm that restaurant POS systems are definitely 5-year property. The confusion comes from that specific exclusion in Pub 946, but the key is understanding that they're still computer-based equipment at their core. One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned - make sure you're also considering any installation costs, training, and initial setup fees. These should typically be capitalized along with the equipment cost rather than expensed separately. I've seen preparers miss this and it can add up to a significant amount, especially for multi-location franchise operations. Also, if your client is planning to expand to additional locations, it might be worth having a conversation about establishing a consistent capitalization policy now. This will make future POS installations much cleaner from a tax perspective.

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People here are missing the biggest difference: liability. When you use TurboTax, YOU are responsible for any mistakes. When you use H&R Block or similar services, they have some level of liability for errors they make. Most H&R Block locations offer what they call a "Peace of Mind" guarantee, which means they'll pay penalties and interest (up to a certain amount) if they make a mistake. Some also offer audit support if you get audited. You don't get that with DIY software. That said, I agree many of their preparers are just using glorified software. If you want actual tax expertise, you need an Enrolled Agent or CPA, not just any random tax preparer.

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Drake

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Is that guarantee actually worth anything though? My sister had H&R Block mess up her return a few years ago, and when she went back about it, they made it such a hassle to use the "guarantee" that she gave up trying.

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The guarantee is definitely worth something, but you need to read the fine print. It generally only covers errors made by the preparer, not errors from information you provided. And yes, they do make you jump through hoops - you typically need to bring in the IRS notice, meet with an office manager, and they'll review everything before agreeing to pay. Some offices are better than others about honoring it. Chain locations vary dramatically in quality. I recommend checking Google reviews for your specific location - look for comments about how they handled mistakes or audit situations. That's where you see the real difference between locations that stand behind their work and those that don't.

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Sarah Jones

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Just wanted to add - there's a huge difference between: 1. H&R Block seasonal preparers 2. H&R Block Enrolled Agents 3. Independent CPAs Last year I went to H&R Block and got a first-year preparer who missed several deductions. This year I specifically requested an Enrolled Agent at the same office, and the difference was night and day. She found an additional $3,200 in deductions the previous preparer missed AND amended my prior year return. The EA explained that she had to pass rigorous IRS testing and does continuing education every year, while the basic preparers just do the company's training course. If you go to Block, Liberty, Jackson Hewitt, etc., ALWAYS ask for an EA specifically. It might cost a bit more but worth every penny.

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How much more does it cost to get an EA at H&R Block vs their regular preparers? And how do you even know if they have one available? I called my local office and the receptionist didn't seem to know what I was talking about when I asked.

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GamerGirl99

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I'm going through this exact same situation right now! Filed my 2024 taxes in early February and got the dreaded "refund on hold" notice last week. They want my 2022 W-2 that I apparently never filed (oops!). Reading through everyone's experiences here is both reassuring and terrifying - 6-10 weeks seems to be the consensus, which means I'm looking at late April/early May for my refund. As a fellow grad student, I totally feel your pain about needing that money for summer expenses! I'm planning to send mine certified mail this week after reading all these suggestions. Has anyone tried calling the IRS upfront to ask exactly which documents they need? I want to make sure I'm not missing anything else that could cause additional delays. The last thing I want is to wait 8 weeks only to find out they needed something else too. Thanks for starting this thread - it's incredibly helpful to hear real timelines from people who've actually been through this process!

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Melody Miles

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Hey there! I'm new to this community but unfortunately not new to tax issues πŸ˜… I'm actually dealing with something similar right now - my 2024 refund is held up because I need to file some missing 2023 forms. Reading through everyone's experiences here has been super helpful! One thing I noticed from the comments is that calling the IRS upfront is definitely worth it, even though the wait times are brutal. A few people mentioned that agents can sometimes tell you exactly what's missing and even make notes on your account to help speed things up. @GamerGirl99 I'd definitely recommend calling before you send anything - better to wait on hold for a few hours now than to potentially wait months only to find out you needed additional documents. Also, has anyone tried the online IRS account to see if it shows what specific documents they're requesting? I'm wondering if that might give more detailed info than just the generic "we need your 2022 W-2" notice. Good luck with your refund - hopefully we'll all get through this waiting game soon! 🀞

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Norah Quay

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Welcome to the tax hold waiting room club! 😩 I'm currently on week 7 of waiting for my 2024 refund after mailing in my missing 2021 return. Based on what I'm seeing here, it looks like most people are getting their refunds released between weeks 6-10, so there's definitely light at the end of the tunnel. A few things I learned the hard way that might help you: 1. **Check your online account transcript weekly** - it updates before the refund status tool and shows processing codes that indicate movement 2. **Call exactly at 4 weeks** - don't wait longer because if there's an issue, you'll want to catch it early 3. **Keep detailed records** - write down dates, confirmation numbers, and who you spoke with The certified mail suggestion is spot-on. I used regular mail initially and had no way to prove they received it when I called. Had to resend everything certified, which added another 2 weeks to my timeline. For what it's worth, even though the wait is brutal, every person I've talked to who went through this process eventually got their refund. The IRS is slow but they do process these holds systematically. Hang in there - your summer ramen budget will thank you later! 🍜

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Thanks for sharing your timeline! Week 7 sounds rough but it's encouraging to know there's an end in sight. The transcript checking tip is gold - I had no idea it updated before the main refund status tool. Quick question for you and others who've been through this: when you call at the 4-week mark, what's the best number to use? I've seen different IRS phone numbers mentioned and I want to make sure I'm calling the right department that can actually help with refund holds vs just getting transferred around for hours. Also really appreciate the reminder about keeping detailed records. I'm definitely going to start a spreadsheet to track everything - dates, confirmation numbers, who I talked to, etc. This whole process is stressful enough without having to remember all the details! Here's hoping we both see some movement on our accounts soon! 🀞

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I've been tracking this for years and there definitely seems to be a pattern, though it's not 100% consistent. From what I've observed, the IRS typically sends out refund batches on Tuesday evenings that hit most bank accounts Wednesday morning, and Thursday evenings that show up Friday morning. But like others mentioned, your bank's processing time is the real wildcard here. I use a local credit union and usually see deposits by 6 AM on those days, while my friends with major banks like Wells Fargo or Chase sometimes don't see theirs until later in the morning or even the next business day. The key is checking your transcript for the 846 code - that'll give you the actual issue date, then just add 1-3 business days depending on your bank's policies.

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Zainab Ali

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This is really insightful! I'm new to tracking refunds this closely and had no idea about the transcript 846 code. As someone who banks with a smaller regional bank, I'm curious if they tend to process more like credit unions or major banks? Also, do you know if the Tuesday/Thursday batch pattern has been consistent this tax season, or have you noticed any changes compared to previous years? Thanks for sharing your tracking data - it's super helpful for those of us trying to plan around refund timing!

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Khalil Urso

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Regional banks usually fall somewhere in between credit unions and major banks for processing speed. They're typically faster than the big national banks but not quite as quick as credit unions. From what I've seen this season, the Tuesday/Thursday pattern seems to be holding pretty steady, though there have been a few random deposits on Mondays that threw people off. The 846 code is definitely your best friend - it takes all the guesswork out of when to expect your refund. Just remember to add that 1-3 day buffer for your bank's processing time!

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Based on my experience working in banking operations, the IRS doesn't have an official public schedule for refund deposits, but there are definitely observable patterns. The Treasury uses the Federal Reserve's ACH system, which processes Monday through Friday. Most financial institutions I've worked with receive IRS refund batches primarily on Tuesday and Thursday nights, which then post to customer accounts Wednesday and Friday mornings respectively. However, during peak filing season (February through mid-April), the IRS may process additional batches to handle the volume. The real variable is your bank - some post immediately upon receipt, others hold until their next business day processing cycle. If you're anxiously waiting, I'd recommend checking your account transcript for the 846 code rather than relying solely on WMR, as it gives you the actual issue date from the IRS side.

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Aria Khan

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This is exactly the kind of insider perspective I was hoping to find! As someone who's been stressing about when my refund will hit, it's really reassuring to hear from someone with actual banking operations experience. The Tuesday/Thursday batch processing makes so much sense now - I've been checking my account randomly throughout the week when I should have been focusing on those specific days. I'm definitely going to pull my transcript tonight to look for that 846 code. Quick question though - when you say "peak filing season," does that mean there might be additional processing days during busy periods, or just that the Tuesday/Thursday batches might be larger? Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

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Ella Thompson

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During peak filing season, it's typically both - larger batches on the regular Tuesday/Thursday schedule, plus occasional additional processing days when volume is exceptionally high. I've seen Wednesday and even Monday batches during the busiest weeks in February and March. The IRS basically ramps up their processing capacity to handle the surge, but they still try to stick to the ACH system's normal business day schedule. Your transcript will show the exact date regardless of which batch your refund was in, so that's always your most reliable source. Hope that helps clarify things!

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