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Don't forget that even if you qualify for First Time Abatement, it only applies to certain penalties! It works for failure-to-file, failure-to-pay, and failure-to-deposit penalties. It won't help with accuracy-related penalties, fraud penalties, or estimated tax penalties. Also, it's a one-time deal for each type of penalty. So if you get the FTA for a failure-to-file penalty this year, you can't get another one for failure-to-file in the future. But you might still qualify for an FTA on a different type of penalty later.
Well crap, I already used my FTA for a missed estimated tax payment in 2022. Does that mean I'm totally out of luck for getting my current late filing penalty removed?
Actually, you might still have options! First Time Abatement is available separately for different penalty types. So if you used FTA for an estimated tax penalty in 2022, you should still be eligible for FTA on failure-to-file or failure-to-pay penalties since those are different categories. The IRS tracks FTA usage by penalty type, not as a single overall benefit. So you could potentially get FTA relief for your current late filing penalty even though you used it for estimated tax penalties before. I'd definitely call or submit a request - worst case they say no, but there's a good chance you're still eligible for this different penalty type.
Douglas, you're definitely in a good position for First Time Abatement with 8 years of clean filing history! I successfully got my penalties waived last year using this exact process. Here's what worked for me: I called the IRS directly using the number on my penalty notice and specifically asked for "First Time Abatement relief." The rep was able to pull up my compliance history right there and approved the request on the spot. My $620 in penalties were removed immediately from my account. The key is being very clear about what you're requesting - don't just say you want penalty relief, specifically mention "First Time Abatement" or "FTA." The IRS reps are familiar with this program and can process it quickly if you qualify. Since you mentioned the payment deadline is next month, I'd recommend calling rather than mailing Form 843, as the written process can take 8-12 weeks. With your clean history, you should have no problem getting approved. Just be prepared for potentially long hold times when calling - early morning (8 AM EST) tends to be the best time to get through. Good luck! With your track record, this should be pretty straightforward.
This is really encouraging to hear! Quick question - when you called, did they ask for any specific documentation or proof of your compliance history? I'm worried they might want me to provide copies of old returns or something I don't have readily available. Also, did you have to pay anything upfront while waiting for the decision, or were you able to hold off on the penalty portion?
No documentation needed at all! The IRS rep could see my entire filing and payment history right in their system when I called. They just verified a few basic details like my SSN and address, then confirmed I had clean compliance for the required period. The whole call took maybe 15 minutes. As for payment, I was able to hold off on paying the penalty portion while the request was being processed. I did pay the underlying tax amount to stop interest from accruing on that, but you don't have to pay penalties while an abatement request is pending. Just make sure to pay any actual tax owed to avoid additional interest charges. The system removal was instant once approved - I could see the penalties were gone when I checked my account online later that same day. Really straightforward process overall!
Based on your description of My Health CCM's pitch, this has all the hallmarks of an abusive tax shelter. The combination of creating a special purpose LLC solely for tax benefits, making a large "investment" in software licenses, and promises of dramatic tax savings should be raising every red flag. The IRS has been cracking down hard on these types of schemes. They often involve overvalued intangible assets (like software licenses) to create artificial losses that get passed through to your personal return. Even if the promoters claim it's "legal," the IRS can disallow the deductions under the economic substance doctrine. I'd strongly recommend staying far away from My Health CCM. If you're looking to legitimately reduce your tax burden, consider working with a reputable CPA or tax attorney who can help you implement proven strategies like maximizing retirement contributions, proper business expense documentation, or legitimate business structures that serve actual economic purposes beyond tax avoidance. Remember: if someone is cold-calling you with a "tax strategy" that sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Legitimate tax planning doesn't typically require you to invest six figures in questionable software licenses.
@Mei Chen This is incredibly helpful advice. I m'new to this community but dealing with a similar situation where I was approached about a tax "optimization strategy involving" an LLC and some kind of technology investment. After reading all these responses, I m'realizing I need to be much more careful about who I trust for tax advice. The cold-calling aspect you mentioned really resonates - legitimate tax professionals don t'usually reach out unsolicited with amazing "opportunities. I" m'going to follow the suggestions here and consult with a licensed CPA instead of taking advice from promoters who might have financial incentives to push these schemes. Thank you to everyone who shared their experiences. This thread potentially saved me from making a very expensive mistake.
As someone who's been through multiple IRS audits, I can tell you that My Health CCM's pitch hits every single warning sign for what the IRS calls "abusive tax avoidance transactions." The fact that they're pushing you to create a special purpose LLC specifically for tax benefits rather than legitimate business operations is a massive red flag. I learned the hard way that the IRS doesn't care what promoters claim is "legal" - they look at the economic substance of the transaction. If you're paying $130k for software licenses that you'll never actually use in a real business, that's exactly the kind of artificial loss creation they go after aggressively. The penalties aren't just financial either. These schemes can put you on the IRS's radar permanently, making you a target for future audits. I'd recommend getting a second opinion from a licensed tax professional who has no financial interest in selling you this "strategy." Most legitimate CPAs will tell you to run from anything that sounds like what you've described. Trust your gut - if it sounds too good to be true, it almost certainly is. There are plenty of legitimate ways to reduce your tax burden without risking your financial future on schemes like this.
@Jabari-Jo Your experience with multiple audits really drives home how serious this is. I'm curious - when you went through those audits, did the IRS give you any warning signs to watch for in the future? It sounds like you learned to recognize these schemes the hard way. I'm wondering if there are specific phrases or structures in promotional materials that are immediate red flags. For instance, when someone mentions "special purpose LLC" or talks about "investing" large sums in intangible assets like software licenses, are those automatic warning signs? Also, you mentioned that these schemes can put you on their radar permanently - does that mean once you've been involved in something questionable, they scrutinize all your future returns more closely? That's a terrifying thought and another reason to stay far away from anything like My Health CCM.
I tried doing an OIC myself first and ABSOLUTELY REGRET it!! Wasted 5 months and got rejected for "incomplete financial information" even though I sent everything they asked for. Then I hired a tax attorney who charged $4,200 flat fee for both federal and state. They refiled everything and my offer got accepted 6 months later. Settled $93k of tax debt for $11k. So worth every penny of their fee!!! My advice: don't try to save money by doing it yourself or hiring the cheapest person. This is one area where experience really matters. I probably lost more in penalties and interest during those wasted 5 months than I paid my attorney.
What made your attorney's submission different from what you submitted yourself? I'm trying to figure out if there are specific tricks or approaches that professionals use that individuals don't know about.
The main differences were in the financial documentation and presentation. When I did it myself, I just filled out the forms with basic numbers. My attorney created detailed spreadsheets showing my complete financial picture, included supporting documents for every expense claim, and wrote a compelling hardship narrative that explained WHY I couldn't pay the full amount. They also knew exactly which expenses the IRS allows vs. doesn't allow. For example, I had included some expenses that the IRS doesn't recognize, which weakened my case. My attorney restructured everything to show maximum allowable expenses while staying within IRS guidelines. The biggest difference was the negotiation aspect. When the IRS came back with questions, my attorney knew how to respond professionally and provide exactly what they wanted. When I tried to handle their questions myself, I apparently gave responses that raised red flags and led to the rejection.
The $4,200 fee you mentioned is definitely within the reasonable range for handling both federal and state OICs. I went through this process two years ago and paid $3,800 to a tax attorney who successfully settled my $78k debt for $9,500. What really matters is the attorney's specific experience with OICs. When I was shopping around, I made the mistake of initially focusing only on price. The cheapest quote I got was $2,200, but when I dug deeper, that person had only handled about 15 OIC cases total. My final choice had over 200 OIC cases under their belt with documented success rates. A few questions to ask your attorney: How many OIC cases have they handled in the past year? What's their acceptance rate? Can they provide references from recent OIC clients? Do they have experience with cases similar to your debt amount and situation? The upfront investment might seem steep, but consider that a rejected OIC can cost you months of additional penalties and interest. Plus, you'd likely have to start over with a new professional anyway. Better to invest in proven experience from the start.
This is really helpful insight about the importance of experience over just price. I'm curious - when you were vetting attorneys, how did you verify their claimed success rates? Did they provide actual documentation or references, or did you just have to take their word for it? I'm finding that some of the professionals I'm talking to make big claims about their track record but seem reluctant to provide specifics when I ask for details.
Have you tried using the TurboTax mobile app instead? Sometimes when the web version is having server issues, the mobile app still works fine. Also, make sure you're not using any ad blockers or browser extensions that might be interfering with the e-file process. If all else fails, you can always file a paper return - just download Form 1040 from the IRS website directly.
Good point about the mobile app! I didn't even think to try that. The paper filing suggestion is smart too as a backup plan, though hopefully it doesn't come to that with the deadline approaching. Thanks for the practical alternatives!
Same exact thing happened to me yesterday! What finally worked was completely closing all browser tabs, restarting the browser entirely, and then going back to TurboTax. The blank screen seems to be some kind of session timeout issue. Also try disabling any VPN if you're using one - that was causing problems for my friend. Hope you get it sorted before the deadline!
GalacticGuru
This has been such an informative discussion! As someone who's relatively new to complex corporate reorganizations, I wanted to add a cautionary note about documentation that I learned the hard way recently. When we completed an F reorg for a client last year, we thought we had all our ducks in a row - proper business purpose, good timing between steps, clean corporate resolutions. But during a subsequent IRS examination (unrelated to the F reorg), the agent questioned whether our reorganization truly qualified under Section 368(a)(1)(F). The key lesson: document EVERYTHING meticulously. We had to reconstruct our business purpose rationale and prove the continuity of the business enterprise. Make sure you have detailed board minutes explaining the business reasons, maintain records of all asset transfers, and keep clear documentation of how the "same business enterprise" continues under the new entity. Also, don't forget about the potential impact on state income tax elections and apportionment factors if your client operates in multiple states. Some states don't automatically follow federal tax elections, so you might need separate state-level entity classification elections. Has anyone dealt with multi-state complications during F reorgs? I'd love to hear about best practices for managing the state tax aspects when federal and state entity classifications might diverge.
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Gabriel Graham
ā¢Your point about documentation is spot-on and really resonates with my experience! I've seen too many practitioners get caught off guard during IRS examinations because they didn't maintain adequate contemporaneous records. Regarding multi-state complications, I've dealt with this recently in a client situation involving operations in Texas, New York, and California. The key challenge was that while the federal F reorg preserved tax attributes, California required a separate Form 3832 (Entity Classification Election) to ensure the new LLC was treated consistently for state purposes. New York generally follows federal elections, but they have their own timing requirements for filing notices of entity changes. One gotcha I discovered was that some states impose separate franchise taxes or fees during the transition period, even though it's technically the same taxpayer federally. In our case, California assessed franchise tax on both the old and new entities for the overlapping tax period until we filed the proper forms to clarify the F reorg status. My recommendation is to prepare a state-by-state analysis early in the planning process, identifying which states require separate filings, have different election deadlines, or impose additional fees. Also consider consulting with state tax specialists in each jurisdiction - the cost upfront can save significant headaches and penalties later. The documentation point you raised really can't be overstated. I now create a comprehensive "F reorg file" with timeline documentation, business purpose memoranda, and copies of all filings as a standard practice.
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Zoe Papadakis
This thread has been incredibly valuable for understanding F reorganizations! As a newcomer to this area, I wanted to ask about one aspect I haven't seen discussed much - the potential impact on employee benefit plans during an F reorg followed by partnership conversion. If the S corp has established retirement plans (401k, profit sharing, etc.), how are these handled during the reorganization process? I'm particularly concerned about whether the F reorg preserves the plan's qualified status and what happens when you subsequently elect partnership taxation. Also, are there any special considerations for employee stock ownership plans (ESOPs) or other equity-based compensation arrangements that might be affected by changing from corporate to partnership structure? I have a client with a small ESOP that's considering this type of conversion, and I want to make sure I'm not overlooking any critical issues that could affect their employees' benefits or create compliance problems. Any insights from those who have navigated the employee benefits aspects of F reorganizations would be greatly appreciated!
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Emma Wilson
ā¢This is a really important aspect that often gets overlooked in F reorg planning! You're right to be concerned about the employee benefit implications. For qualified retirement plans like 401(k)s, the F reorganization itself typically shouldn't affect the plan's qualified status since the IRS treats it as the same employer for tax purposes. However, the subsequent conversion to partnership taxation creates complications because partnerships can't sponsor qualified retirement plans in the same way corporations can. Your client will likely need to either terminate the existing qualified plan (triggering distribution requirements) or transfer it to a separate corporate entity if they want to maintain qualified plan benefits. This often requires significant advance planning and employee communication. For ESOPs, the situation is even more complex since partnerships can't have ESOPs. The ESOP would need to be terminated as part of the conversion process, which could trigger significant tax consequences for employee participants and require Department of Labor filings. I'd strongly recommend involving an ERISA attorney early in the planning process. The employee benefit aspects often drive the timeline and structure of the entire reorganization. In some cases, the benefit plan complications make the F reorg approach less attractive than alternative conversion methods. Have you considered whether your client's business objectives could be achieved through a different structure that preserves their ability to maintain qualified retirement benefits?
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