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Has anyone else noticed that most tax software doesn't handle these S-corp QBI and retirement contribution interactions correctly? I tried three different programs last year and got three different results!
I had the same issue! Ended up paying a CPA $450 to fix the mess I made trying to do it myself. She told me the consumer-grade tax software just isn't set up for complex S-corp situations, especially with the QBI deduction calculations.
Good to know I'm not the only one! Frustrating that we pay for software that's supposed to handle this stuff correctly and it still gets it wrong. Makes me wonder what other things it's calculating incorrectly that I don't even know about.
This is exactly why I always recommend double-checking your QBI calculations manually, especially for S-corp owners. The interaction between reasonable compensation, QBI deduction limits, and retirement contributions creates a lot of room for error. One approach that's worked well for me is creating a simple decision matrix in Excel that shows total tax liability (income tax + employment tax) at different W-2 wage levels. For each scenario, calculate: 1. Your QBI deduction based on the wage limitation test 2. Employment taxes on the W-2 wages (15.3% on first $160,200 for 2025) 3. Income tax savings from 401K contributions 4. Overall effective tax rate This helps you find the optimal balance between minimizing employment taxes and maximizing QBI benefits. Don't forget that your 401K contribution room is also constrained by your W-2 wages, so higher wages = more retirement contribution capacity. The key is modeling multiple scenarios like you're already doing, but make sure you're accounting for ALL the moving pieces, not just the QBI calculation in isolation.
This is incredibly helpful! I've been struggling with exactly this kind of optimization analysis. Quick question - when you mention the employment tax rate of 15.3% on the first $160,200 for 2025, is that the updated Social Security wage base? I thought it was still around $147,000 but I might be looking at old numbers. Also, for the decision matrix approach you described, do you typically model this monthly or just annually? I'm wondering if there's benefit to adjusting the W-2 vs distribution mix throughout the year based on how business income is trending.
Has anyone heard if business grants need to be treated differently for 2025 filing? I just received a similar grant and wondering if the reporting requirements have changed since the COVID relief period.
The basic reporting hasn't changed for 2025 filing. Business grants should still be reported as "Other Income" on line 5 of Form 1120-S with an explanatory statement attached. What has changed is that most COVID-specific grants have ended, so current grants may have different tax characteristics depending on their purpose. If your new grant has specific conditions or clawback provisions, those might affect when and how you recognize the income. But the basic mechanism for reporting a taxable grant on an 1120-S remains the same for 2025 filing.
I went through this exact same frustration with H&R Block Business last year! The software definitely isn't designed to handle business grants properly. What worked for me was a hybrid approach - I used Connor's workaround of entering it manually as "Other Income" but I also kept a copy of the actual 1099-G in my records with a note referencing where I reported it on the return. One thing I'd add to the great advice already given - make sure you're also considering the timing of when you received the grant versus when you're reporting it. If you received the grant in late 2024 but it's for 2023 activities, there might be timing issues to consider. The IRS is pretty strict about matching 1099-G income to the correct tax year. Also, if your city required any specific reporting or has clawback provisions, document those thoroughly. I learned the hard way that some grants have strings attached that aren't obvious until later. Better to over-document than get surprised during an audit!
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Be careful about assuming acceptance. I thought mine was accepted last year. Never got a rejection notice. Found out THREE MONTHS LATER that it was rejected due to an incorrect AGI from the previous year. Had to pay a penalty for late filing even though I filed on time. Always verify acceptance through multiple channels. Don't trust just one confirmation method.
As someone who just went through this same anxiety, I totally get your concern! Here's what I learned: the IRS actually has three different statuses - "transmitted," "received," and "accepted." Your confirmation email probably just means it was transmitted successfully. The quickest way to verify actual acceptance is to log into your tax software account and look for a status update (should say "IRS Accepted" not just "Transmitted"). You can also use the IRS Where's My Refund tool at irs.gov after 24 hours - just enter your SSN, filing status, and exact refund amount. Since you mentioned this is your first time with new software AND you have homeowner deductions now, I'd definitely recommend checking your tax transcript in a few days through irs.gov - that's the most definitive proof your return was processed. The mortgage interest and property tax stuff shouldn't cause delays, but it's always good to double-check when your situation gets more complex. Don't panic if it takes 48-72 hours to get full confirmation - that's totally normal during busy filing periods!
Jason Brewer
Just wondering, does your dad's tax preparer work at a major chain or are they independent? I worked at one of the big tax prep companies and we had specific training on dependent tests. This mistake seems really basic for a professional.
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Justin Chang
β’It's a small local office, not a major chain. The preparer has been doing my dad's taxes for years, but I get the impression they're more focused on keeping clients happy than following tax law precisely.
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Kiara Fisherman
β’Not the OP but former tax preparer here. You'd be shocked at how many small tax offices get the dependent rules wrong. They often go by older rules or simplified versions. The qualifying child vs qualifying relative tests trip up a lot of preparers, especially the income tests which changed a few years back.
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Lena MΓΌller
This is definitely a frustrating situation, but you're absolutely right to question this. The tax preparer is incorrect about the income limits for dependents your age. Since you're 21 and not a student, the income test for qualifying child status is $4,700 for 2024 - not the standard deduction amount. Your income of $12,630 far exceeds this limit, so you cannot be claimed as a qualifying child dependent. For qualifying relative status, your father would need to provide more than half of your total support for the year. Given your income level, this seems unlikely unless you had very high expenses that he covered. Here's what I'd recommend: 1. Don't sign any tax documents that list you as someone else's dependent 2. Show your father and his tax preparer the official IRS Publication 501 which clearly outlines these rules 3. Request that your father file an amended return (Form 1040-X) to remove you as a dependent 4. File your own return claiming yourself If your father refuses to amend his return and you file correctly claiming yourself, the IRS will send correspondence to both of you to resolve the duplicate claim. You won't be penalized for filing correctly, but be prepared to provide documentation of your income and support situation. Don't let anyone pressure you into filing incorrectly just to avoid conflict. The rules are clear, and you have every right to claim your own exemption.
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