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Dealing with Online Casino Tax Rules - So Absurd I Could Cry

Welcome to tax season, where I'm learning that the tax rules for online gambling are absolutely absurd. I deposited $125 into an online casino back in September, managed to win about $65,000, and ended up wagering around $63,500 cumulatively. I never went into negative territory. Now I'm finding out my standard deduction is completely gone, my AGI is increased by $31,000, and I'll owe approximately $4,200 in additional taxes. Here's where it gets ridiculous - gambling winnings MUST be claimed on your federal tax return... no problem, right?! But the implications for online casinos are absolutely horrendous! Every single time the casino gives you money, it's considered a "win." Bet $15 on blackjack and push with the dealer? That's a $15 win!! Bet $0.75 on a slot and win $0.15? That's a $0.15 win (not a $0.60 loss). And guess what the IRS doesn't care about? Your wager or other losses. You are required to claim gambling winnings regardless of how much or little you NET at the end. If you bet $1.25 on a slot machine and do 50x auto-spins and BREAK EVEN... congratulations, you just "won" $62.50, which is fully taxable. Yay, you made no actual money, and now you owe taxes on it! It gets worse. Say you take a $2,500 deposit match promotion. Congrats, you've deposited $2,500 and received a $2,500 bonus with a 20x playthrough requirement. Oh wait - that 20x playthrough is on ALL the money, not just the bonus. So you have to wager $5,000 20x. If you play a slot with a 99.6% payback, you should theoretically walk away with about $4,900 total. Your discipline paid off! But guess what... you've just wagered $100,000 to profit that $2,400. Now you have to claim that you have $100,000 in GAMBLING WINNINGS!! Yay. The ONLY saving grace is that you can sacrifice your standard deduction and itemize your filing. IF you do this and IF you can prove every single win and loss, THEN you're allowed to deduct your losses. But you've still screwed yourself because now you've lost your $27,700 standard deduction, and even though you can NET out your winnings, your AGI is still THAT MUCH HIGHER. I've spent about 50 hours preparing tax documents this year because of this. I have spreadsheets with 65,000+ individual transactions. Every win. Every loss. All calculating to a grand total of $1,500 profit and the loss of my standard deduction so I can itemize $63,500 in losses against $65,000 in winnings. It all started in September when I claimed some free bonuses from Caesar's and BetRivers. Then DraftKings offered a great promotion. FanDuel was running a match as well. What's arbitrage betting? I spent a few hundred to find out...and now I'm dealing with this tax nightmare.

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This is exactly why I've been avoiding online casinos despite all the promotional offers I keep getting. The tax implications are just too messy for casual players like me who might want to try a few games with a small deposit. What strikes me most about your situation is how the current system essentially penalizes transparency. The online platforms are actually doing the "right thing" by providing detailed transaction records, but those same records end up creating a tax nightmare because every micro-transaction gets counted separately. I work in financial services and deal with tax reporting regularly, so I have some appreciation for the complexity you're facing. The fact that you need 65,000+ individual transaction records to properly report $1,500 in net winnings shows how completely divorced the tax code is from the reality of how these platforms work. Have you considered reaching out to any tax policy advocacy groups about this? Your detailed documentation of the problem could be valuable for pushing legislative reform. The absurdity of your situation - spending 50+ hours on tax prep to report a small recreational gambling profit - really highlights how broken this system is for ordinary taxpayers. I'm curious if you've calculated what your effective hourly "wage" ended up being after factoring in all the tax preparation time. Probably not very encouraging!

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You're absolutely right about the perverse incentives this creates! The platforms providing detailed records should be helpful for taxpayers, but instead it just makes the tax situation more complicated. I haven't reached out to advocacy groups yet, but that's actually a really good suggestion. With all this documentation, I could probably provide a concrete case study of exactly how broken the system is. The fact that responsible record-keeping creates more tax liability than it prevents is completely backwards. As for the effective hourly wage - I did that calculation and immediately regretted it! Between the 50+ hours of tax prep and the additional taxes owed, I'm essentially paying for the privilege of having gambled legally and transparently. If I factor in the tax preparation time, I probably "earned" about negative $30 per hour for my trouble. What really bothers me is that this discourages exactly the kind of regulated, transparent gambling that policymakers should want to encourage. When the legal, documented approach creates more problems than underground alternatives, something is seriously wrong with the system. Your point about avoiding online casinos entirely is probably the smart financial move, which is crazy given that these are legal, regulated businesses.

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This is absolutely infuriating and perfectly illustrates why so many people avoid legal online gambling entirely. I'm a tax preparer who has seen this exact scenario play out for several clients, and it never gets less ridiculous. What you've described - spending 50+ hours documenting transactions to report $1,500 in actual profit while losing your standard deduction - is unfortunately completely typical. I've had clients who spent more on tax preparation fees than they actually won gambling, which is completely insane. The most maddening part is that this system actively punishes people for gambling legally and transparently. If you had just played poker with friends or bet with an offshore book, you'd have far fewer tax complications. But because you used regulated platforms that properly report transactions, you're stuck with this nightmare. I always warn new clients about this before they start gambling online, but most people don't believe how bad it is until they experience it firsthand. Your detailed breakdown should be required reading for anyone considering claiming those attractive welcome bonuses. The fact that day traders can net gains and losses while recreational gamblers can't shows how arbitrary and unfair this whole system is. We desperately need federal tax reform on gambling taxation, but until then, stories like yours serve as important warnings for other taxpayers.

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QuantumQuasar

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As someone new to this community and completely unfamiliar with online gambling taxes, I'm honestly shocked by what I'm reading here. I had no idea that the tax implications were this severe for what seems like recreational gambling. The fact that you have clients spending more on tax prep than they actually won is mind-blowing. It makes me wonder how many people unknowingly get into these situations with those attractive welcome bonuses, not realizing they're potentially signing up for dozens of hours of tax documentation work. Is there any standard advice you give to clients who are just starting to gamble online? Like a minimum threshold where it might make sense, or warning signs to watch out for? Reading Katherine's original post about losing the standard deduction over $1,500 in actual winnings has me thinking I should probably avoid online casinos entirely, but I'm curious if there are ways to gamble responsibly while minimizing these tax complications. This whole thread has been incredibly educational but also pretty terrifying from a tax perspective!

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Laura Lopez

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I completely understand that informed delivery anxiety! I've been there too many times - seeing that official envelope preview and immediately feeling your stomach drop. It's like getting a sneak peek of your stress for the next few days. Your experience is actually really reassuring for those of us who tend to panic over IRS mail. It's so helpful to hear about a situation where the letter turned out to be good news - documentation that they actually owed YOU money for their processing delays. I had no idea about the 45-day rule for interest payments, but it makes sense that they'd be required to compensate taxpayers when they can't meet their own processing deadlines. The fact that your online account showed everything was fine while legitimate mail was still coming really highlights how their systems don't communicate well with each other. That seems like it would cause unnecessary stress for so many people who naturally assume their online account gives them the complete picture. I'm definitely going to remember the tip about checking transcripts for transaction code 776 when I see IRS mail in informed delivery - that could save so much unnecessary worry! And thanks for the reminder about keeping the notice for tax reporting purposes. It's good to know it just goes on the same line as regular bank interest. This whole thread has been incredibly educational and calming for those of us who assume the worst when we see official government mail coming. Sometimes the IRS actually has good news instead of bad news!

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I can totally relate to that informed delivery anxiety! I've been in that exact same boat where you see an IRS envelope coming and your mind immediately spirals to the worst-case scenarios. It's honestly one of the most stressful feelings - having days to worry about what could be inside. Your experience is actually really encouraging for the rest of us who panic over official mail! I had no idea that CP-INT forms were so common now due to processing delays. It makes perfect sense that when the IRS takes longer than 45 days to process refunds, they'd be legally required to pay interest - that's actually some nice accountability on their part, even if their communication systems could be way better. The disconnect between your online account showing $0 and still receiving mail is so frustrating but really important for others to know about. I think a lot of us assume that if our online account looks clean, we're in the clear - but clearly their systems don't sync up properly. Thanks for sharing your update! It's such a relief when these scary-looking letters turn out to be the government owing us money instead of the other way around. And all the tips in this thread about checking transcripts for transaction code 776 are pure gold - I'm definitely bookmarking this for future reference. Sometimes informed delivery anxiety actually leads to learning something valuable!

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NeonNebula

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This whole discussion has been such an eye-opener! I'm definitely someone who gets that same informed delivery panic - there's something about seeing any government envelope that just triggers immediate anxiety, even when you logically know you haven't done anything wrong. Your point about the 45-day interest rule providing some accountability is really reassuring. It's nice to know there are at least some protections in place when government agencies can't meet their own deadlines, even if the communication about it could be much clearer. I'm really grateful for all the practical tips that came out of this thread - especially the transaction code 776 advice for checking transcripts when IRS mail is coming. As someone who's still relatively new to navigating tax stuff, these kinds of real-world insights are incredibly valuable. It's honestly ridiculous that we need to become detectives just to understand what our own government is sending us, but at least there are ways to potentially get advance warning! Thanks for sharing such a detailed experience. Stories like this really help normalize the anxiety so many of us feel about official mail, and it's incredibly reassuring when they turn out to be good news instead of something scary. Sometimes the IRS really is just documenting money they owe us!

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I went through the exact same situation last year with Credit Karma! Got my advance on Feb 20th and was stressed waiting for the rest. Here's what actually happened: my DDD was 3/8 but the remaining refund hit my account on 3/10 (2 days after). The delay is because your full refund goes to Credit Karma first, they take out what they advanced you plus any fees, then send the rest to your bank. So there's an extra processing step that takes 1-2 business days. With your DDD of 3/12, you should see the remainder by 3/14 at the latest. Don't panic if it doesn't hit exactly on 3/12 - the routing process just takes a bit longer when there's an advance involved!

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Amara Chukwu

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This is super helpful, thanks for sharing your experience! I was starting to worry that something was wrong since I've seen people say they got their remaining refund on the exact DDD. Good to know there's usually that extra 1-2 day processing time when an advance is involved. I'll keep an eye out through the 14th before I start panicking. Really appreciate the timeline breakdown!

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Lily Young

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I'm going through the exact same thing right now! Filed with Credit Karma on Feb 19th, got my advance on Feb 24th, and my transcript shows DDD 3/12 too. Reading through all these comments is really reassuring - sounds like we should expect the remaining portion to hit our accounts around March 13th-14th due to the extra processing step when Credit Karma takes their advance amount back first. The waiting is definitely nerve-wracking when you need that money for bills, but it seems like this timeline is pretty normal for CK advances. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences!

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CosmicCaptain

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Same exact timeline here! Filed on Feb 17th through CK, got my advance on Feb 23rd, and also have a DDD of 3/12. It's so stressful waiting for the rest when you have bills due, but reading everyone's experiences definitely helps calm my nerves. Sounds like we're all in the same boat and should see our remaining refunds by March 14th. The extra processing step makes total sense when you think about it - CK has to intercept the full refund first before sending us what's left. Fingers crossed we all get our money on schedule!

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This is exactly why I always tell people to use certified mail for anything tax-related! But for your current situation, you're not completely out of luck. Here's what I'd recommend: 1. **Request First Time Abatement** - If you haven't had penalties in the past 3 years, call the IRS and request "First Time Penalty Abatement" (FTA). This is often granted regardless of your ability to prove timely mailing. 2. **Document everything you remember** - Write down the exact date, time, post office location, description of the clerk, and any other details about your mailing. Even without a receipt, a detailed sworn statement can help. 3. **Check your bank records** - If you paid by check, the processing date might support your case that it was mailed timely. 4. **Contact the post office** - While they may not have records of your specific transaction, they might be able to provide a statement about their standard collection times from that date. The key is to be persistent and polite when dealing with the IRS. Many taxpayers successfully get penalties removed by explaining their situation clearly, especially for first-time issues. Don't give up - you have options!

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Emma Wilson

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This is really helpful advice! I'm in a similar boat with proving timely mailing. Question about the First Time Abatement - do you have to call them or can you request it in writing? I'm terrible on the phone and would much rather send a letter if that's an option. Also, when you say "check your bank records," would that include credit card statements if I paid the postage with a card? Maybe that timestamp could help establish when I was at the post office?

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You can absolutely request First Time Abatement in writing! In fact, many people prefer this approach because you have a paper trail. You can send a letter to the IRS address shown on your penalty notice, clearly stating "Request for First Time Penalty Abatement" and explaining that you have a clean compliance history for the past 3 years. And yes, credit card statements showing the postage purchase could definitely help establish a timeline! If your card statement shows a transaction at that specific post office on April 12th, that's solid evidence you were there on that date. You could also check if you have any other receipts from that day (gas, coffee, etc.) that show you were in that area around the time you claim to have mailed your payment. The more documentation you can piece together, the stronger your case becomes. Even small details like this can make a big difference when you're trying to prove your timeline to the IRS.

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I dealt with this exact same situation two years ago! The IRS claimed my payment was late even though I mailed it well before the deadline. Here's what ultimately worked for me: First, don't panic - you have several options even without a certified mail receipt. The most important thing is to act quickly and document everything you can remember about that day. **Immediate steps:** 1. **Call the IRS and request "First Time Penalty Abatement"** - If you haven't had penalties in the past 3 years, they often waive penalties regardless of proof. This is your easiest path to resolution. 2. **Gather any evidence you have** - Check your credit card or bank statements for the postage purchase, look for any other receipts from that day that place you near the post office, and write down every detail you remember (time, clerk description, etc.). 3. **Contact that specific post office** - While they won't have records of your transaction, they might provide a statement about their standard mail collection times for that date. **For your written appeal**, explain the situation clearly and mention that you specifically went early to ensure timely delivery, that you paid for proper postage, and that you watched the clerk place it in outgoing mail. The IRS does consider "reasonable cause" arguments, especially for taxpayers with good compliance history. The key is persistence - don't accept the first "no" if you get one. Many taxpayers successfully get these penalties removed by clearly explaining their situation and being polite but firm with IRS representatives.

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This is such comprehensive advice! I'm curious though - when you called the IRS for First Time Penalty Abatement, did you have to provide any documentation upfront or did they just ask you to confirm you hadn't had penalties before? I'm dealing with something similar and wondering what to expect when I call. Also, how long did the whole process take from when you first requested the abatement to when it was actually removed from your account?

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Oliver Weber

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When I called for First Time Penalty Abatement, they didn't ask for any documentation upfront - the agent just verified my information and checked their system to confirm I had a clean penalty history for the past 3 years. The whole phone call took maybe 15 minutes once I got through to someone. The timeline was pretty quick actually - they processed the abatement right there on the call and told me I'd see it reflected in my account within 2-3 weeks. I got a letter confirming the penalty removal about 10 days later. The key was being direct and asking specifically for "First Time Penalty Abatement" rather than trying to explain the whole mailing situation first. If you do call, I'd recommend having your notice and Social Security number ready, and just ask upfront if you qualify for FTA. It's way simpler than trying to prove the mailing timeline, and honestly, the IRS seems pretty generous with granting it for people who genuinely have clean records.

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Amina Diallo

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I can share my experience from last year - I had a DDD of 2/28 and banked with Wells Fargo. The deposit showed up exactly on 2/28 at around 6 AM. This year I switched to a local credit union and I'm curious to see if there's any difference in timing. From what I've gathered reading everyone's responses, it really does come down to your specific financial institution's ACH processing policies. The IRS does their part consistently, but banks handle the final step differently. I'd suggest checking your bank's website or calling them directly to ask about their Treasury/government payment processing timeline - most customer service reps can tell you their typical posting schedule for ACH transfers.

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Diego Vargas

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That's really helpful to know about Wells Fargo's timing! I'm new to all this and wasn't sure if the 6 AM posting time was standard across banks. I'm with a small regional bank and they've been pretty vague when I called to ask about ACH processing. Sounds like I should probably just expect it on the actual DDD date and be pleasantly surprised if it comes earlier. Thanks for sharing your real-world experience - it's way more useful than the generic info on bank websites!

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Sadie Benitez

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I've been tracking this exact scenario across multiple tax seasons. With a DDD of 2-24, you have about a 60% chance of seeing the deposit on 2-23 if you're with an online bank (Ally, Capital One 360, etc.) and about a 30% chance with traditional banks. The key factor isn't whether you paid for early access - it's your bank's ACH processing schedule. I'd recommend setting up account alerts so you get notified immediately when the deposit hits, rather than constantly checking your balance. Also, keep in mind that if 2-24 falls on a weekend, some banks will post on Friday while others wait until Monday. The IRS is pretty consistent with their 17-day processing timeline you mentioned - it's really just the final banking step that varies.

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