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One thing nobody has mentioned yet - you should look at the trust document itself. Some trust agreements have specific provisions about accounting and tax filing requirements that might differ from the standard practice. While most revocable trusts with living grantors don't require 1041 filings, there are occasional exceptions. Also worth considering whether the trust owns any unusual assets or has special provisions that might have led the corporate trustee to file separately. For example, if the trust owns an interest in a business, there might be reasons for separate filings.
That's a great point that I hadn't considered. I'll definitely review the trust document. The trust does own some investment properties besides just basic investment accounts. Could that be why they were filing 1041s? Would the nature of the assets change how it should be reported?
Investment properties within a revocable trust still maintain the grantor trust status, so that alone wouldn't necessitate 1041 filings. The income and expenses from those properties should flow through to your uncle's personal return. Sometimes corporate trustees follow standardized procedures regardless of whether they're necessary for tax purposes. They might file 1041s for all trusts they manage, even when not required. This creates additional paperwork but doesn't necessarily change the tax outcome if done correctly with proper grantor trust reporting.
Just want to add one practical tip - when you take over as trustee for a revocable trust, it's usually a good idea to get an EIN for the trust even if you're not filing 1041s. Many financial institutions require an EIN for trust accounts, and having one doesn't obligate you to file trust tax returns if it's a grantor trust.
Does getting an EIN mean you have to file a 1041 though? I thought having a tax ID for the trust means you're required to file trust tax returns. That's what my bank told me when I set up accounts for my dad's trust.
No, getting an EIN doesn't automatically require you to file 1041s. The filing requirement depends on the type of trust and circumstances, not just having a tax ID number. For a revocable trust with a living grantor, you can have an EIN for banking purposes without being required to file Form 1041. The confusion often comes from bank representatives who may not fully understand trust taxation rules. They see a trust EIN and assume tax filings are required, but that's not necessarily the case. The EIN is primarily needed because financial institutions need a tax identification number to open accounts and report income - they can't use the grantor's SSN for trust accounts even when it's a grantor trust for tax purposes. So you can safely get an EIN for operational purposes while still reporting all trust income directly on your dad's personal tax return.
I've dealt with this exact same frustration! PayUSATax and Pay1040 customer service is notoriously difficult to reach. Here are a few strategies that have worked for me and others: For PayUSATax: Try their live chat feature on their website during business hours (usually 8am-5pm EST). It's not always available, but when it is, you can sometimes get connected to a real person faster than phone. For Pay1040: Their Facebook page actually responds to messages - I know it sounds weird, but I got a response within 2 days when I messaged them there with my payment details. However, given your timeline urgency with the $5,300 credit and missing 1040-X, I'd strongly recommend calling the IRS directly at 1-800-829-0922 (this is the dedicated line for payment inquiries). Yes, the wait times are brutal, but they can see ALL payments made to your account regardless of which processor was used. They can also help you understand why payments might have been applied to different accounts. Since your husband originally filed as Single and you're trying to amend to Married Filing Jointly, there's a good chance the IRS systems are having trouble matching payments between your individual accounts. The IRS can actually initiate payment traces on their end without you needing the processor details first. The $5,300 credit is likely payments sitting in a "suspense account" waiting to be properly applied once your amended return is processed.
This is really helpful advice! I had no idea about the Facebook messaging option for Pay1040 - that's such a weird workaround but I'm definitely going to try it. And the dedicated payment inquiry line (1-800-829-0922) is new to me too, thanks for sharing that specific number. Your explanation about the "suspense account" makes a lot of sense for why I have this mysterious $5,300 credit. It's probably exactly what you said - payments that can't be properly applied until the amended return gets processed. I'm going to try the PayUSATax live chat first since that sounds like the quickest option, then hit up Pay1040 on Facebook. If those don't work out, I'll bite the bullet and call that IRS payment inquiry line. At least now I have a game plan instead of just spinning my wheels with those automated phone systems! Have you had any experience with how long it takes the IRS to process payment traces once they initiate them on their end?
I've been through a similar situation with tracking down payments from multiple processors! Here's what worked for me: For PayUSATax, try calling early morning (around 7:30-8:00 AM EST) - I found their phone system is less congested then and you're more likely to get through to a person. Also, if you have a business account with them, there's sometimes a separate business support line that's faster. For Pay1040, beyond the Facebook messaging that others mentioned, try their LinkedIn company page - they actually respond to professional inquiries there pretty quickly since fewer people think to use it. But honestly, given your timeline and the complexity with the missing 1040-X and mysterious $5,300 credit, I'd skip the payment processors entirely and go straight to the IRS. The key is calling the right number at the right time. Try 1-800-829-1040 (the main line) at exactly 7:00 AM when they open - you'll get through much faster than calling during peak hours. When you do reach the IRS, ask them to do a "payment history inquiry" for both your SSN and your husband's SSN for tax year 2022. They can see everything in real-time, including payments that might be sitting in processing limbo. This will be way more comprehensive than anything the payment processors can tell you. The $5,300 credit is almost certainly related to your missing amended return - payments probably got applied but the IRS doesn't know how to reconcile them without the corrected filing status.
This is excellent advice about calling at 7 AM! I never thought about timing being so crucial but that makes total sense - fewer people calling right when they open. The suggestion about requesting a "payment history inquiry" for both SSNs is really smart too, especially since this involves a filing status change from Single to Married Filing Jointly. I'm dealing with a somewhat similar issue where I made payments through different processors and now have discrepancies on my account. One question - when you called the IRS at 7 AM, did you have to navigate through their automated system first, or were you able to speak to someone right away? I'm trying to figure out the best way to get through those phone menus quickly. Also, have you had experience with how long it typically takes them to research the payment history once you're connected with an agent? I'm wondering if they can do it while you're on the call or if it requires a callback.
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Just went through the same thing! My cycle code switched from 04 to 03 about 10 days ago and I was panicking too. But honestly, from what I've learned lurking in these forums, it's usually a good sign that your return is moving through the system. The 03 cycle processes on Wednesdays vs Thursday for 04. I ended up using that taxr.ai tool everyone's been mentioning and it really helped calm my nerves - gave me a clear breakdown of what was happening with my specific situation. Hang in there, the waiting is the worst part but movement is generally positive! π€
You can also check your 1099-MISC or other tax documents from H&R Block - they should show any fees or advance amounts that were deducted. If you're still unsure, you can always call H&R Block customer service directly with your account info and they can confirm the advance was paid off. Don't stress too much though - these advances are designed to be automatically deducted from your refund, so if you received money back, you're almost certainly good to go!
This is really helpful advice! I didn't know about the 1099-MISC showing the advance info. @Sofia Morales do you know if H&R Block sends those documents automatically or do I need to request them?
They should send them automatically if you had an advance - usually by January 31st. But if you can't find it, you can download it from your H&R Block online account under "Tax Documents" or call them to request a copy. The document will show exactly how much was deducted for the advance so you'll have peace of mind!
Another way to verify is to look at your actual tax return form - specifically Form 1040. On line 22b, it should show the total refund amount you were entitled to. Then compare that to what you actually received in your bank account. The difference should match your advance amount. If the math adds up, you're all good! I learned this the hard way after panicking about the same thing last year π
Mateo Rodriguez
I handle payroll for a company that does relocation grossups and this is normal. Your W-2 will show the TOTAL - both the $15k you received plus the additional amount the company paid in taxes on your behalf. The full amount is taxable income. Check your last paystub of the year and look at the "YTD" column for federal withholding. It should be higher than normal because of the extra withholding for the relocation. If your company did the gross-up correctly, they would have withheld around 22% federal (supplimental rate) plus Medicare/SS taxes on the full grossed-up amount. If TurboTax is saying you owe more, it might be because your overall tax bracket is higher than 22% so you need to pay the difference.
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CosmosCaptain
β’Thank you for this explanation! I just checked my last paystub of the year and you're absolutely right - the withholding is higher than I expected. I think I've been focusing too much on the W-2 number without considering that they already withheld the appropriate taxes. I'll double check the actual withholding amounts again and see if that explains the discrepancy. This is really helpful!
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Abby Marshall
As a newcomer to this community, I really appreciate all the detailed explanations here! I'm dealing with a similar situation where my employer offered a relocation package, but I haven't accepted the job yet. Reading through these comments, it sounds like the tax implications are pretty complex. For someone who hasn't gone through this before, would you recommend negotiating for the company to handle the relocation expenses directly with vendors instead of giving me a lump sum? Or does it not really matter since either way it ends up being taxable income? Also, are there any questions I should ask HR upfront to make sure I understand exactly how they calculate the gross-up and what will show up on my W-2? I'd rather avoid the confusion that several people here experienced!
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Javier Garcia
β’Welcome to the community! Great question as someone just starting this process. From what I've learned here, it doesn't really matter whether they pay vendors directly or give you a lump sum - both are taxable income under current tax law since the 2018 tax changes eliminated moving expense deductions for most people. Here are some key questions to ask HR upfront: 1. What tax rate do they use for the gross-up calculation? (Many use 22% supplemental rate) 2. Will they provide a breakdown showing the actual relocation amount vs. the gross-up amount? 3. Do they adjust the gross-up for your specific state tax situation? 4. Can they walk you through exactly what will appear on your W-2? The biggest tip from reading these experiences: keep detailed records of your paystubs, especially the one that shows the relocation payment. Make sure you can see both the gross amount added to wages AND the corresponding withholding increases. That way when tax time comes, you'll have everything you need to verify that the withholding was done correctly. Good luck with your decision!
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