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Adoption Credit Carry Over for Special Needs Kids - Help! I'm so confused!!

So here's my situation. I'm hoping someone can help me understand what I'm seeing because I'm going crazy trying to figure this out. I adopted two teenagers from the foster care system in 2022. Since they both have special needs, I qualified for the full adoption tax credit. Because of my income level, I was only able to use $8,202 of the $40,000 total credit on last year's tax return, which means I have a carryover amount for this year's taxes. This year, I'm eligible to use $16,500 of the carryover credit. So I'll still have some carryover for next year too. What's confusing me is that even though I'm getting more than double the adoption credit this year compared to last year, my refund is way less. All my other income, taxes, etc. are basically the same as last year. When I compare my tax returns, I notice something weird that I don't understand. Last year, when I completed Form 8839 Part III, it reduced my AGI by -$40,000 (the full amount of the adoption credit I'll eventually receive over multiple years) on Line 1f of my 1040. But on this year's 1040, Line 1f is completely blank. Is this normal? Or should I be worried that there was a mistake on last year's return? I've gone back through the 8839 worksheets and everything seems correct, but it just seems strange that my AGI would only be affected in the first year, while the actual credit gets spread out over several years. Has anyone dealt with this before? I'd really appreciate any insight!

I wonder if ur tax sofrware is the problem?? I used TurboTax last year for my foster-adopt situation and it did everything correct with the adoption credit. Maybe try a different program this year???

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Kaitlyn Otto

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I've had good experience with H&R Block software for adoption credits. Their interview process specifically asks about special needs adoptions and walks you through the credit and carryforward process. Might be worth trying if TurboTax gave you issues.

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I'm a CPA who has handled many adoption tax credit cases, and I can confirm what others have said - the adoption credit should NEVER reduce your AGI. This is a significant error that needs to be corrected. The adoption credit works like this: - Year 1: Report total qualified expenses on Form 8839, use credit up to your tax liability - Years 2-6: Use carryforward amounts on Schedule 3 until exhausted Your AGI should remain the same regardless of adoption credits. The credit reduces taxes owed, not income. If Line 1f showed -$40,000 last year affecting your AGI calculation, that's definitely wrong and explains why this year's refund is smaller. You absolutely should file Form 1040-X to amend last year's return. The corrected AGI will likely affect other calculations on your return (EITC, child tax credit, etc.), so review everything carefully. Include a clear explanation that you're correcting the improper application of the adoption credit. Don't wait - you have 3 years from the original filing date to amend, and it's better to fix this proactively than have the IRS catch it later.

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Thank you so much for the professional confirmation! This makes me feel much better about moving forward with the amendment. I was really worried I had messed something up badly, but it sounds like this was just a software error that can be fixed. One quick follow-up question - when I file the 1040-X, should I also recalculate my estimated tax payments for this year? Since my corrected AGI from last year will be higher, I'm wondering if that affects what I should be paying quarterly this year. Also, do you have any recommendations for tax software that handles adoption credits correctly? I definitely don't want to run into this same issue again next year with my remaining carryover credit.

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One important thing about filing without 1099s - the IRS matching system won't have those earnings on file. In my experience, this can sometimes trigger a verification letter later where they ask you to confirm your income (happened to me in 2023). Don't panic if this happens - just respond with your documentation. As long as you reported everything accurately, you'll be fine. This is also why keeping good records is super important when you don't have official forms!

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Great advice from everyone here! I'm a tax preparer and want to emphasize a few key points for your husband's barber income: 1. You're absolutely correct that ALL income must be reported, regardless of receiving a 1099. The $5,200 goes on Schedule C as self-employment income. 2. He'll owe self-employment tax (15.3%) on the net profit, but this also means he's earning Social Security credits. 3. Payment apps like Venmo/Cash App are required to issue 1099-K forms only if you exceed $5,000 in a calendar year (the threshold changed for 2024), so he may actually receive one next year if his income increases. 4. For TurboTax, look for "Business Income" or "Self-Employment Income" and select "Income not reported on tax forms." You'll enter the total income and can deduct legitimate business expenses. 5. Create a simple spreadsheet now tracking all 2025 income and expenses - it'll make next year's filing much easier! The fact that you're being proactive about reporting this income correctly shows you're on the right track. Keep those payment app records and any business expense receipts!

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Axel Far

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Hey Zoe! I was in almost the exact same situation last year - $2,900 debt while finishing my master's degree and working part-time. I was so nervous about that call too, but it turned out way better than expected. For your amount, you'll definitely qualify for the streamlined agreement. I told them I could afford $85/month and they accepted it immediately - no financial paperwork required. The IRS rep was actually really patient and explained all my options clearly. One tip: when you call, mention that you're a student working part-time right upfront. They seemed to take that into consideration and didn't pressure me to pay more than I said I could handle. Also, they'll ask when you want your first payment due - I asked for it to start the following month to give myself time to adjust my budget. The whole process took maybe 20 minutes once I got through, and those scary letters stopped coming within a couple weeks. You've got this!

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Luca Bianchi

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That's such a relief to hear from someone who was in basically the same boat! The $85/month you mentioned sounds totally reasonable for my situation too. I really appreciate the tip about mentioning being a student upfront - I hadn't thought about how that might help frame the conversation. Did you end up paying any setup fees for the payment plan, or was it just the monthly payments? Also, when you say the scary letters stopped - did you still get regular statements or reminders about your payments, or did all IRS mail basically stop once you were on the plan?

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Ryan Vasquez

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There's a small setup fee for installment agreements - I think it was around $31 for the online application or $43 if you set it up over the phone. But if you qualify for low-income (which as a part-time student you probably do), the fee can be reduced to just $10. After setting up the payment plan, I still got monthly statements from the IRS showing my remaining balance and payment due date, but those scary "FINAL NOTICE" type letters completely stopped. The monthly statements are actually helpful because they show exactly how much of your payment went to principal vs. interest, and you can see your balance going down each month. Way less stressful than those collection notices!

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One thing that really helped me when I was setting up my payment plan was understanding that the IRS actually has different "ability to pay" thresholds. If your monthly income minus necessary living expenses is below certain amounts, they're much more flexible with payment terms. As a part-time student, you likely qualify for what they call "allowable living expenses" which include reasonable amounts for housing, utilities, transportation, food, healthcare, and even some educational expenses. They use standardized amounts for these categories, so even if your actual rent is high, they'll consider the standard allowance for your area. The key is being honest about your situation but also knowing your rights. You don't have to accept the first payment amount they suggest if it truly creates a financial hardship. I ended up getting my $3,400 debt down to $65/month payments over 60 months by explaining my student status and providing basic income information. Also, make sure to ask about the first-time penalty abatement if you've never had tax issues before - it can reduce your total debt significantly by removing failure-to-pay penalties.

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Jibriel Kohn

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This is incredibly helpful information! I had no idea about the standardized allowable living expenses or that they had different thresholds based on ability to pay. The fact that they might even consider educational expenses as part of the calculation is huge for someone in my situation. The first-time penalty abatement you mentioned sounds like it could really make a difference too - I've never had any tax issues before this, so I should definitely qualify. Do you know if I need to request that separately, or can I ask about it when I'm setting up the payment plan? Your $65/month example gives me a lot of hope that I can get something truly manageable. I was worried they'd stick to that $75/month calculation others mentioned, but knowing there's flexibility based on actual financial circumstances makes this whole process seem much less intimidating.

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Aisha Ali

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I'm so sorry you're dealing with this - identity theft is incredibly stressful and violating. Based on what everyone's shared here, it sounds like you have a solid action plan forming. One thing I'd add: when you contact PayPal, ask them specifically for the IP addresses and device information associated with the fraudulent account creation and transactions. This data can be crucial evidence that someone else was accessing the account, especially if the locations don't match where you live or work. Also, consider placing a fraud alert or credit freeze with all three credit bureaus immediately. This won't fix the current situation but will prevent whoever did this from opening additional accounts in your name while you're dealing with the PayPal issue. Keep detailed records of every phone call, including dates, times, representative names, and case numbers. Create a dedicated folder (physical or digital) for all documents related to this case. You'll likely need to reference this information multiple times as you work through the resolution process with different agencies. Stay strong - this is fixable, but it does take persistence and good documentation!

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Emma Garcia

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This is really helpful advice about getting the IP address data from PayPal! I hadn't thought about that but it makes total sense - if someone opened the account from a completely different location, that would be pretty strong evidence it wasn't me. I'm definitely going to ask for that information when I call them. Do you know if PayPal typically provides that kind of data to identity theft victims, or do they usually require some kind of legal request? I want to make sure I ask for the right thing when I contact them. Also, great point about the credit freeze. I was so focused on the immediate tax issue that I hadn't considered they might try to open other accounts. Going to do that today.

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Lola Perez

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This is such a nightmare situation, but you're getting excellent advice here from everyone. I went through something similar with a fraudulent Venmo account that showed up on a 1099-K. One additional step I'd recommend: contact your state's Attorney General office as well. Many states have dedicated identity theft units that can provide additional resources and sometimes help coordinate between different agencies. They often have experience dealing with these exact situations and can provide guidance specific to your state's laws. Also, when you file the Form 14039 with the IRS, make sure to include a cover letter that clearly summarizes your situation and references all the supporting documentation you're including. The IRS processes thousands of these forms, so making it easy for them to understand your case quickly can help speed up the resolution. Document everything with timestamps - even if it seems minor now, you might need those details later. I kept a simple spreadsheet with dates, who I talked to, what was discussed, and any reference numbers. It saved me so much time when I had to provide updates or clarify information later in the process. You've got this! It's stressful now but following these steps will get you through it.

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This spreadsheet idea is brilliant! I'm starting one right now because I can already tell this is going to involve a lot of phone calls and paperwork. @a6594b194df9 How detailed did you get with your tracking? Like did you record the actual content of conversations or just basic info like who you talked to and when? I'm trying to figure out the right balance between being thorough and not drowning in documentation. Also, I'm curious about the state Attorney General suggestion - did they actually help speed things up for you, or was it more just having additional support and resources? I'm in California so I'm wondering if they have good resources for this kind of thing. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's really reassuring to know that other people have gotten through this successfully!

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Sean Kelly

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Just a quick warning - be careful with daycares that shut down suddenly like this. We had a similar situation and it turned out the owner was being investigated for tax fraud. Make sure you keep ALL your receipts and documentation showing you paid them. If they weren't reporting income or paying taxes, there's a small chance this could come back to haunt you if there's ever an investigation.

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Zara Malik

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Oh no, that sounds scary. Did you end up having any issues with your own taxes after that happened? I'm in a similar boat with a daycare that just vanished overnight.

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Miguel Diaz

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I'm dealing with a very similar situation right now! My son's daycare also disappeared suddenly in the middle of the year, and I was panicking about Form 2441. After reading through all these comments, I feel much more confident about how to handle it. A few things I learned from my research that might help others: 1. The IRS Publication 503 specifically mentions situations where providers refuse to give tax information or can't be contacted. You're not penalized for their non-compliance. 2. I found that some states maintain databases of licensed childcare providers that include tax ID information. It's worth checking your state's Department of Human Services or similar agency website. 3. If you paid by check or credit card, those records can serve as additional documentation of legitimate childcare expenses, especially if the provider's bank information is visible. The most important thing I learned is that the IRS cares more about whether you actually had legitimate childcare expenses than tracking down every provider's tax information. As long as you document your reasonable efforts to obtain the information and report what you have, you should be fine. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - it really helped reduce my stress about this whole situation!

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Evelyn Kim

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This is such helpful information, thank you for sharing! I'm new to this community and dealing with my first dependent care FSA situation. Your point about checking state databases for licensed providers is really smart - I hadn't thought of that. I'm curious about your mention of bank information being visible on checks. Did you mean the routing number on the daycare's deposit stamp, or something else? I paid our provider by check too and I'm wondering if there's information there that could help identify their business properly. Also, did you end up finding any useful information through your state's Department of Human Services database?

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