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Just to make sure we're all on the same page here - are we talking about claiming her as a qualifying relative dependent, not a qualifying child dependent? Because the rules are different for each, right? For a qualifying relative, her gross income must be less than $4,700 (for 2023), but Social Security benefits generally don't count toward this amount unless she has significant other income. Did I understand your situation correctly?
You're absolutely correct - you do NOT report her SSDI on your tax return. Her disability income remains her income, not yours. The fact that you're claiming her as a dependent doesn't change whose income it is. As long as she meets the qualifying relative tests (gross income under $4,700 excluding SSDI, and you provide more than half her support), you're compliant. Keep good records of your support expenses - housing, food, medical costs, utilities, etc. - in case you need to prove the support test later. The IRS is pretty clear on this in Publication 501, but I understand why it can be confusing at first!
This is really helpful clarification! I'm new to this dependency situation and was worried I'd made a mistake. Just to confirm my understanding - when you say "keep good records of support expenses," should I be tracking everything down to grocery receipts and utility bills? I want to make sure I'm documenting the right things in case the IRS ever questions the support test calculation.
Just a quick tip - the Traditional IRA basis amount carries forward every year on Form 8606. Line 14 from one year becomes the starting point (Line 2) for the next year's form. Always keep copies of your previous 8606 forms or you'll have a nightmare trying to reconstruct your basis if the IRS ever questions it!
This is a great explanation of a really confusing topic! I had a similar recharacterization situation a few years ago and was totally lost until my CPA walked me through it. One thing I'd add for anyone reading this - make sure you understand the pro-rata rule if you have other Traditional IRAs with pre-tax money. The IRS doesn't let you pick and choose which dollars you convert first. If you have $10,000 in Traditional IRAs and $1,000 of that is basis, then any conversion will be 10% tax-free and 90% taxable, regardless of which account the money comes from. Also, keep detailed records of ALL your IRA transactions. I learned the hard way that even small discrepancies in your basis calculations can cause headaches years later when you're trying to figure out what happened.
This is such a helpful addition about the pro-rata rule! I'm actually dealing with something similar right now. I have about $15,000 in a rollover IRA from an old 401k (all pre-tax) and was thinking about doing a backdoor Roth conversion with new non-deductible contributions. From what you're saying, it sounds like I can't just convert the new after-tax money without also converting some of the pre-tax rollover money proportionally? That would definitely complicate my tax situation. Is there any way around this, like keeping the accounts completely separate or doing the conversion in a specific order? I wish they made these IRA rules more straightforward - seems like every strategy has some gotcha that isn't obvious until you're knee-deep in the tax implications!
This is exactly what I needed to hear! I just got my 5071c letter yesterday and was completely panicking after reading so many horror stories online about people waiting months for their refunds. I filed on January 20th and was expecting my refund by February 10th, so when it didn't show up I was worried something was wrong. The letter arrived yesterday (February 17th) and I'm planning to call the verification line tomorrow morning. Your timeline gives me so much hope - only 8 days after verification is amazing! I was already mentally preparing myself for the 9-week wait and rearranging my budget accordingly. Quick question for you - did you have to provide any specific documentation during the verification call beyond what was listed in the letter? I want to make sure I have everything ready so I don't have to call back. Thanks for sharing your positive experience! It's refreshing to see a success story in this stressful situation. š
Welcome to the community! I'm new here too but wanted to share that I just went through this exact same process last month. The verification call was actually much smoother than I expected - just have your current tax return, last year's return, and the 5071c letter ready. They mainly asked about my income amounts, filing status, and a few questions about my address history. The whole call took about 30 minutes including hold time. One tip I wish someone had told me: call first thing in the morning (8 AM) when the lines open. I tried calling later in the day initially and couldn't get through at all. Early morning calls seem to have much shorter wait times. You've got this! The verification process sounds scarier than it actually is, and based on all these positive stories, there's a good chance you'll get your refund way sooner than the 9-week estimate they give you. š¤
This gives me so much hope! I received my 5071c letter three days ago and have been absolutely dreading the verification process after reading nightmare stories online. Seeing that you got your refund in just 8 days instead of 9 weeks is incredible. I filed on January 22nd and my expected refund date was February 12th, so I'm in a very similar timeline to yours. I've been putting off making the verification call because I was so intimidated by the process, but your success story is the motivation I needed to just get it done. Quick question - when you called, did you use the phone number on the letter or did you find a different IRS number that worked better? I've heard mixed things about which number actually gets you through to the right department. Also, did the "Where's My Refund" tool update right away with the new deposit date, or did it take a few days to show the updated timeline? I've been checking it obsessively and it's still just showing the generic "being processed" message. Thank you so much for sharing this positive experience - it's exactly what those of us dealing with this stressful situation need to hear! š
I was in the exact same boat as you just a few weeks ago! I kept putting off the call because I was so nervous, but honestly the anticipation was worse than the actual process. I used the phone number directly from the 5071c letter - it took me straight to the identity verification department. The key is calling right when they open at 7 AM (not 8 AM like someone mentioned above). I got through on my second try that way. For the "Where's My Refund" tool, it took about 3-4 days after my verification call before it updated with the actual deposit date. Before that, it just showed the standard "return received and being processed" message for almost a week. So don't panic if it doesn't update immediately! One thing that really helped me was writing down all my tax info beforehand - current year AGI, prior year AGI, employer info, etc. The agent appreciated that I had everything ready and the whole call moved much faster. You've got this! Based on all these success stories, it seems like the 9-week timeline is definitely worst-case scenario. Most people are getting their refunds within 1-2 weeks after verification. Just make that call tomorrow morning and you'll probably be pleasantly surprised! šŖ
This is exactly why I always maintain my own basis tracking spreadsheet for each LP investment. I've been burned before by relying on the GP's calculations. For your situation, here's what I'd recommend: Start with your original $65K investment, then add any income allocated to you from prior K-1s (check Box 1 on your 2023 K-1), subtract any prior distributions, and add your share of partnership debt. The debt piece is crucial - if the partnership has non-recourse debt, you likely get basis from your proportionate share. With a $120K distribution, you'll need to determine if any portion exceeds your adjusted basis. The excess would be treated as capital gain. Given that this was a refinance in 2024, the partnership's debt likely increased, which could have boosted your basis and reduced the taxable portion. I'd strongly suggest requesting a detailed basis calculation from your GP. If they can't provide it, consider working with a tax professional who specializes in partnership taxation - this isn't something you want to get wrong.
This is really helpful advice about maintaining your own tracking spreadsheet. I'm completely new to LP investments and honestly had no idea I needed to track my own basis - I assumed the GP would handle all of that correctly on the K-1. Quick question: when you mention adding my share of partnership debt to basis, how do I actually figure out what my proportionate share is? Is that something that should be clearly stated in the partnership agreement, or do I need to calculate it based on my ownership percentage? And does it matter if it's the original mortgage versus the new refinanced debt? I'm realizing I may be in over my head here and definitely need to get a tax professional involved, but I want to understand the basics before I meet with them.
Great question! Your share of partnership debt for basis purposes is typically based on your ownership percentage, but it can get more complex depending on how the partnership agreement allocates liabilities. For non-recourse debt (most real estate partnerships), limited partners usually get basis equal to their ownership percentage of the total debt. So if you own 5% of the partnership and there's $2M in non-recourse debt, you'd get $100K in basis from debt. The type of debt (original vs. refinanced) doesn't matter for basis - what matters is the total amount outstanding. When they refinanced, if the new loan amount was higher than the old one, your basis would increase proportionally. Check your partnership agreement for any special allocations or look for Box 20 on your K-1 which sometimes shows debt information. But honestly, many K-1s don't provide enough detail, which is why requesting that basis calculation from the GP is so important. You're smart to get a professional involved - partnership taxation is genuinely complex and the stakes are high if you get it wrong!
I've been through this exact scenario with two different LP investments over the past few years. The confusion around refinance distributions is completely understandable because the tax treatment isn't intuitive. Here's what I learned: The refinancing itself doesn't create a taxable event, but when those proceeds get distributed to partners, the tax treatment depends entirely on your adjusted basis in the partnership. Think of your basis as your "tax-free withdrawal limit" - distributions up to that amount are generally not taxable, but anything above it becomes taxable as capital gain. Your basis starts with your original $65K investment, but it gets adjusted over time. It increases with your share of partnership income and your proportionate share of partnership debt, and decreases with distributions and your share of losses (including depreciation). The tricky part is that most GPs don't provide adequate basis tracking. I'd recommend immediately requesting a detailed basis calculation from your GP showing your beginning basis, all adjustments for 2023-2024, and your ending basis after the $120K distribution. Don't just rely on the capital account shown in Box 9A of your K-1 - that's often different from your tax basis. If your GP can't provide this calculation, that's a red flag about their tax compliance practices, and you'll definitely need a tax professional who specializes in partnership taxation to help reconstruct your basis from prior years' K-1s and partnership documents.
This is such a comprehensive breakdown, thank you! I'm starting to realize that my assumption about refinance proceeds being automatically tax-free was oversimplified. The basis calculation approach makes much more sense now. One follow-up question: if I do end up having distributions that exceed my basis and are taxable as capital gains, would that be short-term or long-term capital gains treatment? Since I only invested in 2023 and received this distribution in 2024, it seems like it might be short-term, but I'm not sure if partnership distributions follow the same holding period rules as regular asset sales. Also, I'm definitely going to request that detailed basis calculation from the GP as you and others have suggested. If they push back or can't provide it, that will tell me a lot about whether I want to continue investing with this sponsor in the future.
Carmella Fromis
Don't forget that you need the CORRECT YEAR tax forms! I made this mistake when catching up. You can't use current year forms for past years - the tax laws change. You can find prior year forms on the IRS website here: https://www.irs.gov/forms-instructions (scroll down to "Prior Year Forms") Also, you should file paper returns for past years - most electronic filing only works for current year and maybe one year back.
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Theodore Nelson
ā¢Can you still use tax software like TurboTax for old returns or do you have to do it all by hand?
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Carmella Fromis
ā¢You can use tax software for older returns, but you might have to pay for it. Most tax software companies offer prior year versions, but they usually charge for them even if they offer free filing for current year returns. TurboTax, H&R Block, and TaxAct all have options for filing returns from previous years. Just be aware that even if you use software, you'll probably need to print and mail the returns for years older than 2023-2024. The IRS typically only accepts e-filing for the current tax year and sometimes the previous year.
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AaliyahAli
I had a similar situation after being in the hospital for months. The key thing that helped me was getting my "Wage and Income Transcripts" from the IRS website. It shows all W2s and 1099s that were reported under your SSN for each year, so you know exactly what income the IRS already knows about. You can request them online here: https://www.irs.gov/individuals/get-transcript
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Ellie Simpson
ā¢This is super helpful! Does it show everything or could there still be income that doesn't show up that I'd need to report?
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Kelsey Hawkins
ā¢The wage and income transcripts show most income that was reported to the IRS - like W2s, 1099s, and other third-party reported income. However, there could still be some income that doesn't show up, like cash payments under $600 that didn't require a 1099, or income from sources that failed to properly report to the IRS. You're still legally required to report ALL income, even if it doesn't appear on the transcript. But the transcript gives you a great starting point to make sure you don't miss the major income sources that the IRS already knows about.
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