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One thing nobody mentioned yet - if you use actual expense method the first year you use a vehicle for business, you CAN'T switch to standard mileage rate later. But if you use standard mileage rate first, you CAN switch to actual expenses in future years. Something to keep in mind before you commit to actual expenses!

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Wow I had no idea about this! This actually changes my whole approach. I think I'll stick with standard mileage for the first year then, even if it might be slightly less advantageous, just to keep my options open for the future. Thanks for pointing this out!

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Aisha Khan

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This is an excellent point about the one-way limitation. Once you choose actual expenses, you're locked in for the life of that vehicle for business use. Another important consideration is that if you're leasing a vehicle and choose the actual expense method, you must continue using it for the entire lease period. The standard mileage rate usually works out better for fuel-efficient vehicles with lower maintenance costs, while actual expenses often benefits larger vehicles or those with higher operating costs.

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Noah Irving

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This is such a helpful discussion! I'm a CPA and want to add a few key points that might help clarify the record-keeping requirements: 1. **Contemporaneous records are crucial** - The IRS requires that mileage logs be created at or near the time of travel, not reconstructed months later. This is true for both methods. 2. **Sampling can work** - You don't need to log every single trip if you can establish a representative sample that demonstrates your typical business use pattern. A 3-month detailed log that shows consistent business use can often support your claimed percentage for the full year. 3. **Digital solutions are IRS-acceptable** - Apps, GPS trackers, and other digital tools are perfectly valid as long as they capture the required elements: date, business purpose, destination, and mileage. 4. **The 70% estimate concern** - Your gut feeling of 70% business use needs documentation to back it up. Without records, the IRS could challenge this during an audit and potentially disallow the entire deduction. My recommendation? Start with the standard mileage rate method for your first year since it's simpler and keeps your options open. Use a mileage tracking app to build good habits, then evaluate both methods next year when you have solid data to compare the actual dollar benefits.

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Nia Watson

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Thank you for this comprehensive breakdown! As someone just starting to navigate business vehicle expenses, this is exactly the kind of professional insight I needed. The point about contemporaneous records being crucial really hits home - I've been putting off tracking because it seemed overwhelming, but I realize now that waiting will only make it harder to establish legitimate documentation. Your suggestion about starting with standard mileage rate makes a lot of sense for flexibility. I'm curious though - when you mention a 3-month sampling period, does it matter which 3 months you choose? Should it be consecutive months or can it be spread throughout the year to account for seasonal variations in business travel? Also, do you have any recommendations for specific mileage tracking apps that you've seen work well for your clients in audit situations?

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Lucy Lam

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Has anyone dealt with tax vs book basis issues for accrual to cash conversion? My accounting is on accrual basis (because it makes more sense for our operations) but we file taxes on cash basis. It's becoming a nightmare to convert everything at year end.

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This is actually pretty common. I recommend tracking your AR aging and AP aging reports at year-end, as these contain the primary differences for accrual-to-cash conversion. The main adjustments will be: 1. Removing unpaid revenue from income 2. Removing unpaid expenses from deductions 3. Adding in paid receivables that weren't counted as income this year 4. Adding in paid payables that weren't counted as expenses this year

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Lucy Lam

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That makes sense, thanks! So I basically need good reporting on what was billed vs paid in each tax year. I've been overcomplicating this. Seems like having clear AR/AP aging reports at Dec 31 would give me what I need to make the conversion.

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Zara Mirza

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One thing I've learned from managing this for my own business is that prevention is better than cure when it comes to book vs tax basis differences. I set up a simple system where I code transactions with tax implications right from the start. For example, when I enter a meal expense, I use a specific account code that reminds me it's only 50% deductible. For equipment purchases, I immediately note whether I plan to use Section 179 or regular depreciation. This way I'm not scrambling at year-end trying to remember the details of every transaction. Also, regarding your sales tax question - think of sales tax collected as "holding money for the government." It never becomes your income, so it should go straight to a liability account. Sales tax you pay becomes part of your expense or inventory cost, which does affect your income taxes as a deduction. The key is keeping good records from day one rather than trying to sort everything out later!

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AaliyahAli

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This is exactly the kind of proactive approach I wish I had taken from the beginning! I'm curious about your coding system - do you use specific naming conventions for your accounts or just rely on transaction descriptions? I'm trying to figure out the most efficient way to tag things without making my chart of accounts overly complicated. Also, your point about sales tax being "holding money for the government" really clicked for me. I think I was overthinking that part. So just to confirm - if I collect $100 in sales tax from customers, that $100 never touches my income statement at all, right? It goes straight from cash to sales tax payable liability?

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10 Since nobody else mentioned it - yes, the 7.65% employer portion is a business expense that's tax deductible! So while you're paying that extra amount, it does reduce your overall business income for tax purposes. Let's say you're an S-corp or LLC with profits around $150k. That employer portion of payroll taxes would reduce your taxable business income. Depending on your tax bracket, this could offset roughly 22-37% of the cost.

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11 Does this apply to self-employed individuals too? I'm a freelancer and I know I pay the full 15.3% self-employment tax, but can I deduct half of that as a business expense?

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Diego Fisher

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Yes! As a self-employed individual, you can deduct half of your self-employment tax (which is equivalent to the "employer portion") as an above-the-line deduction on Form 1040. So if you paid $3,060 in self-employment tax, you can deduct $1,530 directly from your adjusted gross income. This deduction is taken regardless of whether you itemize or take the standard deduction, which makes it particularly valuable. It's on Line 15 of Form 1040 if you're filing your own return.

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Just wanted to add some practical advice from someone who's been doing payroll for small businesses for over 8 years - make sure you're also budgeting for workers' compensation insurance, which varies dramatically by industry. For landscaping like yours, it can be quite expensive (sometimes 3-8% of payroll) since it's considered higher risk. Also, don't forget that some states have additional payroll taxes beyond what's been mentioned. For example, California has State Disability Insurance (SDI) that employers contribute to, and New Jersey has both disability and family leave programs. These can add another 0.5-1% to your employer costs. I'd recommend setting up a separate account where you automatically transfer about 12-15% of each payroll to cover all these taxes and fees. It prevents the shock when quarterly payments are due and helps with cash flow planning.

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This is incredibly helpful advice! I hadn't even thought about workers' comp being so high for landscaping. Do you know if there are ways to get better rates on workers' comp, like safety training programs or anything like that? Also, the separate account idea is brilliant - I've been scrambling every quarter trying to figure out how much we owe. What percentage would you recommend for a landscaping business specifically, given the higher workers' comp costs you mentioned?

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This is really helpful information! I'm also a small business owner and have been hesitant about claiming advertising expenses because I wasn't sure what counts. One thing I'd add - make sure to separate personal vs business advertising clearly. I learned this the hard way when I posted about my business on my personal social media accounts and boosted those posts. My accountant explained that if the advertising is done through personal accounts or mixed with personal content, it becomes much harder to justify as a pure business expense. Also, @Connor Murphy, since you mentioned you're still learning about business deductions - don't forget about things like business insurance, professional development courses, industry publications, and even business-related travel. These can add up to significant deductions beyond just advertising!

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Miguel Silva

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@Ingrid Larsson, that's such a valuable point about separating personal and business social media advertising! I made that exact mistake when I first started my business - boosting posts from my personal Facebook page that mentioned my services. My tax preparer had to walk me through why that created complications. @Connor Murphy, definitely take Ingrid's advice about those other deductions seriously. I was amazed at how many legitimate business expenses I was missing. Things like subscriptions to industry magazines, attending local business networking events, even the mileage driving to meet with that graphic designer who creates your ads - it all adds up! One more tip from my experience: if you're doing any advertising that crosses state lines (like those Facebook/Instagram campaigns), just make sure you're complying with any state-specific business registration requirements. Some states get picky about out-of-state businesses advertising to their residents, though for small local businesses it's usually not an issue.

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CyberNinja

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@Connor Murphy, you're getting great advice here! I wanted to add something that might save you some headaches down the road - make sure you're tracking not just the amounts you spend, but also the results from your advertising efforts. The IRS doesn't require this for deduction purposes, but if you ever get audited, being able to show that your $13k in advertising actually generated measurable business results (increased sales, new customers, etc.) makes it much easier to justify the expenses as "ordinary and necessary" for your business. I keep a simple spreadsheet tracking each campaign's cost vs. the revenue it brought in. For your newspaper ads, you could track how many customers mention seeing the ad. For Facebook/Instagram, the platforms already give you detailed analytics on reach and engagement. Also, since you mentioned you're still learning - don't forget that the cost of tools you use to create or manage your advertising can also be deductible. Things like Canva Pro subscriptions, scheduling tools for social media, or even a portion of your internet bill if you're doing significant online advertising work from home. The key is just keeping good records of everything. Sounds like you're already on the right track with ramping up your marketing - that investment in growing your business is exactly what these deductions are designed to support!

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@CyberNinja makes an excellent point about tracking results! As someone who's relatively new to the business world, I've been learning that documentation is everything when it comes to taxes. I actually started keeping a simple log after reading some of these responses - noting which ads brought in customers and roughly how much business resulted. It's already helping me see which advertising channels are worth the investment beyond just the tax benefits. One question though - for those Facebook/Instagram analytics you mentioned, do I need to save screenshots or downloads of those reports for my tax records? Or is it enough to just note the key metrics in my own tracking spreadsheet? I want to make sure I'm covering all my bases if the IRS ever wants to see proof that my advertising expenses were legitimate business investments. Thanks everyone for all this advice - this thread has been more helpful than hours of trying to decode IRS publications on my own!

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How to write off different types of investment losses on taxes - angel investment, startup equity, and stock losses

I've had a pretty rough year with investments and need to figure out the tax implications for my 2025 filing. I've got three different scenarios I'm trying to understand: 1. Back in 2020, I put $150,000 into a startup as an angel investor ($100,000 cash plus $50,000 worth of consulting work that was converted to equity). They just went under this year, so that investment is completely worthless now. 2. At another startup in 2020, I agreed to defer about $60,000 of my salary for stock options. I was working there full-time when I made this arrangement. The company folded in 2022, making those options worthless. All I have to document this is some emails and paystubs showing the reduced salary - nothing super official. 3. I've got about $22,000 in unrealized losses in my stock portfolio (long-term capital losses). I'm in the 24% tax bracket currently. From what I understand, the angel investment might qualify as an ordinary income loss, but I'm not sure how to claim it. I also know I can write off $3,000 per year against long-term capital gains, but I'm confused about the deferred salary situation. My questions are: 1. How should I handle the angel investment loss on my 2025 taxes? 2. Is there a limit to how much I can write off for ordinary income loss, or can I claim the full amount? 3. What options do I have for the deferred salary that turned into worthless options? 4. Would there be any tax benefit to selling my underperforming stocks this year? I'm planning to hire a CPA for my 2025 taxes since this is all pretty complex, but I want to understand my options before our meeting. Thanks for any guidance you can provide!

Has anyone had experience with the deferred salary situation specifically? I had something similar happen where I took stock instead of salary, and when the company went under, the IRS initially questioned my write-off. I had to fight to prove it wasn't just a capital loss.

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I had a similar situation. What worked for me was filing it as a business bad debt on Form 8949 with code G, and attaching a detailed statement explaining the arrangement. I included emails from the CEO confirming the salary deferral arrangement and proof the company was dissolved. The key was showing it was actually compensation I was owed, not just an investment that went bad.

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Miguel Ramos

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One thing to keep in mind with your angel investment is that you might also want to look into whether it qualifies as Qualified Small Business Stock (QSBS) under Section 1202. Even though the investment became worthless, if it was QSBS when you acquired it, you could potentially get better tax treatment on any gains from other QSBS investments by increasing your exclusion amount. Also, regarding your $22,000 in unrealized stock losses - if you're planning to hold onto those stocks long-term, consider whether tax-loss harvesting makes sense. You could sell the losing positions before year-end to realize the losses, then use them to offset any capital gains plus up to $3,000 against ordinary income. Just be careful about the wash-sale rule if you want to buy back similar positions within 30 days. The timing advice from Amara is spot-on. Since you're already planning to work with a CPA, make sure to gather all your documentation now - startup dissolution papers, final investor communications, employment agreements showing the salary deferral arrangement, etc. Having everything organized will make your CPA consultation much more productive and potentially save you money on their fees.

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Grace Patel

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This is really helpful advice about QSBS - I hadn't considered that angle at all. Even though my angel investment is now worthless, it's good to know it might still have future tax benefits if I make other QSBS investments. One question about the wash-sale rule you mentioned: if I sell my losing stocks to harvest the losses, how similar do the replacement stocks need to be to trigger the wash-sale rule? For example, if I sell individual tech stocks at a loss, could I immediately buy a tech sector ETF instead, or would that still be considered "substantially identical"? Also, regarding documentation - should I be requesting specific paperwork from the failed startups, or is it too late for that? I have some emails and investor updates, but I'm wondering if there are official dissolution documents I should try to track down from the state business registry.

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