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Has anyone used both TurboTax and H&R Block software to check how they handle this specific situation? I tried calculating this in TurboTax and it seemed to reduce my SEP contribution limit by my K1 losses, which sounds wrong based on what everyone is saying here.
I checked both last year with a similar situation. H&R Block Premium actually handled it correctly - kept my K1 losses separate from my Schedule C income for SEP calculation. TurboTax Deluxe got it wrong but TurboTax Self-Employed got it right. Might depend on which version you're using?
Just wanted to add some real-world validation to this thread. I'm a CPA and see this exact situation frequently with clients who have multiple business entities. The advice given here is correct - your K1 partnership loss does NOT reduce your Schedule C income for SEP IRA contribution purposes. The key distinction is that SEP IRAs are employer-sponsored retirement plans, even when you're self-employed. Your sole proprietorship acts as both employer and employee, allowing you to make contributions based on that specific business's net earnings. The partnership is a separate legal entity that would need its own retirement plan structure. I always tell clients to think of each business entity as having its own "retirement bucket." Your Schedule C business has one bucket, your partnership has another (which typically can't contribute to your individual SEP anyway), and any W-2 employment would have yet another bucket. So yes, use the full $12,400 from your sole proprietorship as your SEP contribution basis. Just remember the actual contribution limit is slightly less than 20% due to the self-employment tax adjustment - closer to 18.587% of your net Schedule C profit.
This is incredibly helpful - thank you for the professional validation! As someone new to navigating multiple business entities, I've been so confused about how these "buckets" work. Your explanation about each entity having its own retirement structure makes it click for me. Quick follow-up question: when you mention the 18.587% adjustment for self-employment tax, is that something that gets calculated automatically in tax software, or do I need to manually compute that reduction? I want to make sure I'm not over-contributing to my SEP IRA.
You're absolutely right to question this! I had the same confusion when I first looked at married filing jointly vs separately. The standard deduction doubling isn't really a "benefit" per se - it's just accounting for two people instead of one. The real advantages of filing jointly come from other factors: **Tax Bracket Differences**: This is the big one. For 2025, the 22% tax bracket starts at $47,150 for single filers but doesn't kick in until $94,300 for joint filers. So if you're making $75k and your fiancΓ©e makes $40k, more of your combined income gets taxed at lower rates. **Access to Credits**: Many tax credits are either unavailable or have lower income limits when filing separately. The Child Tax Credit, education credits, and even the student loan interest deduction can be lost or reduced. **Income Averaging Effect**: When one spouse earns significantly more, filing jointly can push the higher earner's income into lower brackets by "averaging" it with the lower earner's income. With your income levels ($75k and $40k), you'll likely save money filing jointly because you're avoiding the higher tax brackets that would hit if you filed separately. It's not about the standard deduction - it's about how your income gets taxed overall. The marriage "bonus" is real for couples with different income levels, but you're right that the standard deduction itself isn't the reason why.
This explanation is spot-on! I went through the same confusion last year when my partner and I got married. The "doubling" of the standard deduction really threw me off initially because it seemed like marketing fluff. What really helped me understand it was running the actual numbers. We make roughly $68k and $45k respectively, and when I calculated our taxes both ways, filing jointly saved us about $1,800. The savings came almost entirely from the tax bracket differences you mentioned - so much more of our income stayed in the 12% bracket instead of jumping to 22%. One thing I'd add for @James Martinez - don t'forget about state taxes too! Some states follow federal rules for filing status, so if your state has income tax, the joint vs separate decision might affect your state return as well. Definitely worth checking since the savings can add up.
You're definitely not missing anything obvious - this is actually a really common source of confusion! The way the standard deduction is marketed does make it sound like some magical married benefit when it's really just proportional. The key insight you're missing is that the real advantage isn't in the standard deduction itself, but in how your combined income gets taxed. Think of it this way: when you file separately, each person's income gets pushed through the tax brackets independently. When you file jointly, your combined income gets spread across much wider tax brackets. Here's a concrete example with your situation ($75k + $40k): **Filing Separately**: Your $75k income would push you well into the 22% bracket, while your fiancΓ©e's $40k stays mostly in the 12% bracket. **Filing Jointly**: Your combined $115k gets treated as one unit, and much more of it stays in the lower brackets because the joint brackets are wider (not just doubled). Plus, you'll likely qualify for credits and deductions that get phased out at lower income levels when filing separately. The standard deduction equality is just the government's way of not penalizing married couples - the real benefits come from everything else in the tax code that favors joint filers. Run your numbers both ways before you get married - I bet you'll find joint filing saves you money despite the "same" standard deduction per person.
That's a great point about the age 62 conversion that I hadn't considered! I'm currently 57, so I've got about 5 years before that kicks in. It's definitely something to factor into our business planning timeline. Speaking of timeline, we're not in a rush to launch immediately, so maybe we could structure things to start small and gradually ramp up as I get closer to 62. That way we could test the waters with minimal risk to my benefits, then expand once the earning limitations are lifted. Does anyone know if there are any other major changes or considerations when your FERS disability converts to regular retirement at 62? I assume the benefit amount stays the same, but are there other differences I should be aware of?
When your FERS disability converts to regular retirement at 62, the benefit amount typically stays the same, but there are a few key differences to be aware of. First, as mentioned, the earning limitations disappear completely - you can earn as much as you want without affecting your annuity. Second, you become eligible for the annual cost-of-living adjustments (COLAs) that regular retirees receive, whereas disability retirees don't always get full COLAs. Third, your survivor benefits may change slightly, and you'll have different options for things like life insurance continuation. The conversion is automatic, so you don't need to apply for it. Your timeline approach sounds smart - starting small and ramping up closer to 62 gives you the best of both worlds!
This is exactly the kind of complex situation where getting professional guidance upfront can save you a lot of headaches later. I went through something similar when I was considering freelance work while on FERS disability - the rules around what constitutes "earned income" and how business structures affect your benefits are really nuanced. One thing I learned is that OPM doesn't just look at the paperwork structure, but also at the substance of your involvement. Even if your wife is the sole LLC owner, if you're actively working in the business (building websites, customer service, etc.), they could potentially view that as evidence of restored earning capacity regardless of who officially receives the income. The safest approach might be to start with your wife as sole owner and you having absolutely minimal involvement - maybe just occasional informal advice. Then as you get closer to 62 and the earning restrictions lift, you could gradually increase your involvement or even become an official co-owner. Also, definitely document everything clearly from the beginning. Keep records of who does what work, how decisions are made, and how any startup funds are contributed. If OPM ever reviews your case, having clean documentation will be crucial. The age 62 conversion is definitely a game-changer for your planning timeline. Five years isn't that long to wait for full earning freedom, especially if it means protecting your current benefits in the meantime.
Something nobody's mentioned yet - if you've already filed your 2024 taxes using FIFO, you could potentially file an amended return (Form 1040-X) if it would be significantly better for you. You'd need to do this within 3 years of your original filing date. HOWEVER, just know that changing accounting methods on an amended return might raise flags for the IRS. You'd need to include a detailed explanation and might want to consult with a tax professional first to see if it's worth it in your situation.
My CPA told me that changing accounting methods on an amended return specifically to reduce tax liability is something the IRS looks at very closely. Could potentially trigger an audit. Wouldn't recommend unless there's a clear error in the original return.
Just wanted to add some perspective as someone who went through a similar situation last year. The good news is that you're not stuck with FIFO forever - you can absolutely switch to specific identification for your future sales in 2025. One thing to keep in mind is that the IRS Publication 550 specifically addresses this scenario. You can change your accounting method for future transactions, but you need to be consistent within each tax year. So for all your 2025 crypto sales, you'd need to use the same method throughout that year. I'd strongly recommend starting to track your cost basis now before you make any 2025 sales. Create a detailed spreadsheet with purchase dates, amounts, and prices for all your remaining holdings. When you're ready to sell in August, you'll be able to strategically choose which lots to sell to optimize for long-term capital gains. Also consider consulting with a tax professional who specializes in crypto before making your major sales. The potential tax savings from proper planning could easily justify the consultation fee, especially if you're dealing with significant amounts.
This is really helpful advice, especially about being consistent within each tax year. I'm curious though - when you say "strategically choose which lots to sell," does that mean I can literally pick and choose which specific purchases to sell from? Like if I bought Bitcoin 5 different times in 2024, I can choose to sell only from purchases #2 and #4 while keeping the others? And how did you handle the record-keeping aspect - did you use any specific software or just stick with spreadsheets?
Natalie Khan
One thing to consider is whether your fund manager is charging the performance fee at the entity level or the investor level. If it's at the entity level (like in a partnership structure), those fees reduce the partnership's income before it flows to you on a K-1, which effectively means you're not taxed on those amounts. But if you're getting the full gain reported to you and then paying the manager separately, that's where you run into the double taxation issue. Worth checking how your specific arrangement is structured.
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Romeo Quest
β’Thanks for bringing this up! I just checked my documents and it looks like the performance fee is being charged at the investor level after the gains are calculated. So it sounds like I'm in that double taxation situation you mentioned. Is there any way to restructure this to be more tax efficient?
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Natalie Khan
β’You definitely have options to restructure this arrangement. The most common approach would be to request that your manager change to an entity-level fee structure, where the fee is taken before income is distributed to you. This typically requires the fund to be structured as a partnership. Another option is to discuss a different investment vehicle altogether, such as separately managed accounts (SMAs) which can sometimes offer more flexibility in how fees are structured. Many high net worth investors are moving toward SMAs for precisely this tax efficiency reason. In some cases, you might also explore having your fees paid from a different account rather than from the investment gains directly, which can have different tax implications depending on your overall situation.
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Daryl Bright
Just to add another perspective - I work in wealth management (not giving professional advice here), and one approach we've seen clients use successfully is establishing an LLC or other business entity that holds their investments. In some cases, this can allow investment management fees to be treated as business expenses rather than miscellaneous itemized deductions.
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Sienna Gomez
β’Interesting approach. Wouldn't the LLC need to have a legitimate business purpose beyond just holding investments though? I thought the IRS was pretty strict about structures created primarily for tax advantages.
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Dylan Mitchell
β’You're absolutely right to question this. The IRS does scrutinize structures created primarily for tax benefits. For an LLC holding investments to legitimately deduct management fees as business expenses, it typically needs to demonstrate active business activities - like operating as an investment company, having employees, conducting regular business meetings, maintaining business records, etc. Simply holding passive investments in an LLC without substantial business activities would likely be challenged by the IRS as lacking economic substance. The Tax Court has been pretty clear that investment holding entities need to show they're engaged in a trade or business beyond just passive investing. Most individual investors would find the compliance costs and complexity outweigh any potential tax benefits, unless they're managing very large portfolios or have other legitimate business reasons for the LLC structure.
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