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Great discussion here! I'm dealing with a similar ISO situation and wanted to add one more consideration that's been crucial for my planning - the impact of state taxes. I live in California, which doesn't conform to federal ISO treatment. CA treats ISOs like NQSOs for state tax purposes, meaning I owe state income tax immediately upon exercise on the bargain element, even if I don't sell any shares. This significantly changes the cash flow calculations for exercise-and-hold strategies. For anyone in high-tax states like CA, NY, or NJ, make sure you're factoring in the immediate state tax liability when planning your ISO exercises. It can be a substantial cash requirement that's easy to overlook when focusing on the federal AMT implications. I ended up having to sell more shares than I originally planned just to cover the unexpected state tax bill. Would definitely recommend running the numbers for both federal and state before executing any ISO strategy.

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Andre Laurent

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This is such an important point that often gets overlooked! I'm also in California and got hit with this exact surprise last year. The immediate state tax liability on ISO exercises really changes the math significantly. One thing I learned the hard way is that California also doesn't allow you to reduce the state taxable income even if you make a disqualifying disposition in the same year. So unlike the federal treatment where a disqualifying disposition eliminates the AMT adjustment, California still taxes the full bargain element regardless. For anyone planning ISO exercises in non-conforming states, I'd strongly recommend working with a tax professional who understands both the federal and state implications. The cash flow planning becomes much more complex when you're dealing with immediate state taxes plus potential federal AMT. Thanks for bringing this up - it could save someone from a very unpleasant tax surprise!

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Chloe Martin

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This is exactly the kind of detailed ISO discussion I needed to see! I'm facing a similar decision and have been researching the tax implications extensively. One additional consideration that might be helpful - timing your ISO exercises strategically around other income events. For example, if you're expecting a bonus or RSU vesting that will push you into a higher tax bracket, exercising ISOs in a different tax year could help manage your AMT exposure. The AMT exemption phases out at higher income levels, so spreading the bargain element across multiple years can sometimes reduce your overall tax burden. Also, for those dealing with multiple ISO grants with different vesting schedules, consider exercising older grants first if you're doing a partial exercise strategy. This helps you start the holding period clock earlier for qualifying dispositions (which require both 1 year from exercise AND 2 years from grant date). The state tax conformity issue that @Daniel Washington mentioned is crucial - I'm in Texas so I don't have that concern, but it really highlights how location-specific these strategies can be. Definitely recommend running scenarios for your specific tax situation before making any moves.

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@Chloe Martin makes excellent points about strategic timing! I m'new to navigating ISOs but this discussion has been incredibly helpful. One question I have - when you mention exercising older grants first for the holding period, does this strategy still make sense if the older grants have a higher exercise price? I m'trying to balance the holding period optimization with the cash flow impact. My oldest grant has an exercise price of $12 while my newer grants are at $6, but the current FMV is around $35. Would it still be better to exercise the older, more expensive grants first even though they require more cash outlay per share? Also, for those mentioning multi-year planning - are there any rules about how far apart you can spread ISO exercises, or is it just limited by the option expiration dates? Thanks for all the insights everyone has shared!

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AaliyahAli

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Late to the party but wanted to add something important: If you already have business assets in your sole proprietorship (equipment, vehicles, etc.), make sure you properly document transferring these to the new LLC/S-corp. This is called a Section 351 transfer, and if done correctly, it's tax-free. Keep good records of the fair market value of everything you transfer! The IRS loves to audit new S-corps that don't handle this part correctly.

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Lucas Schmidt

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Thanks for bringing this up! I have about $22,000 in equipment (computers, specialized tools, etc). Is there a specific form I need to file for this Section 351 transfer, or just good documentation?

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AaliyahAli

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You don't need to file a specific form for the Section 351 transfer, but you absolutely need solid documentation. Create a written bill of sale or asset transfer agreement between yourself and the new entity listing each asset and its fair market value. For assets worth more than a few thousand dollars, consider getting an independent appraisal to support the values. Also document the equity you receive in exchange (membership interest in the LLC/stock in the S-corp). Your operating agreement or corporate bylaws should reflect that these assets were contributed as part of your initial capitalization.

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Diego Vargas

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This is exactly the kind of detailed planning I wish I had done! Your timeline approach is really smart - creating that clean break between tax years will definitely make your bookkeeping much simpler. One additional tip from my own transition: Start keeping separate books for the LLC immediately once you form it, even though you'll still be filing Schedule C for 2024. This means opening a dedicated business checking account under the LLC's EIN and routing all business income/expenses through it. When January 1, 2025 rolls around and your S-corp election kicks in, you'll already have clean, separate financial records to work with. Also consider setting aside some cash now for the additional costs that come with S-corp status - you'll need payroll processing, potentially quarterly tax filings, and maybe a more robust accounting system. But the tax savings usually more than make up for these added expenses once your profits hit the right threshold. Good luck with the transition - sounds like you've got a solid plan!

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RaΓΊl Mora

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This is such helpful advice about keeping separate books from day one! I'm actually in a similar situation planning my transition and hadn't thought about opening the dedicated business account right when I form the LLC. Quick question - when you mention setting aside cash for the additional S-corp costs, what kind of annual budget should someone expect for things like payroll processing and accounting software? I want to make sure I'm financially prepared for all the extra administrative expenses before I make the jump. Also, did you find that having that separate financial tracking from the start made your first S-corp tax filing much smoother?

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Laura Lopez

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This is really helpful information! I'm in a similar situation and had no idea about the online payment options. One thing I'm wondering about - when you make the initial 1040-V payment through IRS Direct Pay, does it automatically set up your monthly payments too, or do you have to manually make each monthly payment? Also, for anyone still struggling with this - I found that calling the IRS early in the morning (like right at 7 AM when they open) gives you a much better chance of getting through. I tried for days calling in the afternoon with no luck, but got through on my second try calling first thing in the morning. The agent was able to confirm my installment agreement was active and gave me all the payment details I needed. The key thing seems to be not waiting around for the mail - just start making payments as scheduled even without the official paperwork. Better safe than sorry when it comes to the IRS!

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Omar Zaki

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Great question about the payment setup! The initial 1040-V payment through IRS Direct Pay is just a one-time payment - it doesn't automatically set up your monthly payments. You'll need to manually make each monthly payment or set up automatic withdrawals separately through EFTPS or your IRS Online Account once it's fully processed. Your tip about calling early morning is spot on! I've found the same thing - calling right when they open gives you the best shot at actually reaching someone. The phone system seems to get overwhelmed pretty quickly as the day goes on. And you're absolutely right about not waiting for the paperwork. I made that mistake with my first installment agreement years ago and learned the hard way that the clock starts ticking as soon as your return is processed, not when you get the letter. The IRS really should make this clearer in their communications!

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StellarSurfer

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Just wanted to chime in with my recent experience since I went through this exact same situation a few months ago! You absolutely can pay your 1040-V payment online - I used IRS Direct Pay and it was so much easier than dealing with checks and mail. Just make sure when you're on the Direct Pay site to select "Installment Agreement" as your payment reason and enter your SSN and other identifying info carefully so it gets applied correctly. For the timeline question - mine took about 6 weeks to get the official installment agreement letter, which was longer than I expected but seems pretty normal based on what others are saying here. The important thing is your agreement is already active in their system even without the paperwork. One thing I wish someone had told me earlier: you can actually view your installment agreement details in your IRS Online Account once it's processed (took about 4-5 weeks in my case). It shows your payment schedule, remaining balance, and due dates. Way more convenient than waiting for paper statements in the mail. Don't stress too much about the delay - just make sure to start making payments according to the schedule you agreed to when you filed, even without the official letter. The IRS expects you to stick to those dates regardless of when their paperwork arrives!

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Dylan Wright

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This is super reassuring to hear from someone who just went through the same thing! I'm definitely going to use Direct Pay for my initial payment instead of waiting around with a check. Quick follow-up question - when you were making payments before getting the official letter, how did you know the exact amount to pay each month? Did you just go with the amount you originally agreed to when filing, or did you need to account for interest accumulating? I'm worried about underpaying accidentally and messing up my agreement. Also, thanks for the tip about the IRS Online Account showing the details eventually. I'll keep checking that instead of obsessively watching my mailbox every day!

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Rita Jacobs

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Just wanted to add some reassurance from personal experience - I had a similar situation last year with about $4,500 in back taxes when I needed to renew my passport for a work trip. I was panicking thinking they'd deny my application, but it went through without any issues at all. The key thing is that $59,000 threshold everyone mentioned is absolutely correct. The IRS has to formally certify your debt as "seriously delinquent" before the State Department will deny passport services, and they only do that for much larger amounts. One tip though - if you're still worried about the accuracy of your balance, you can request a tax account transcript online through the IRS website. It's usually more up-to-date than the regular balance inquiry and will show all payments they've received, even if they haven't posted to your main account yet. That might give you peace of mind before deciding whether to pay the full amount. Your passport application should be fine, but definitely get it submitted soon given the processing delays everyone's experiencing!

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Sydney Torres

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This is really helpful, thank you Rita! I didn't know about the tax account transcript option - that sounds like exactly what I need to verify my payments went through. I'll check that out right away since it might be more current than the regular online system. It's such a relief to hear from someone who went through the same thing. I was definitely overthinking this whole situation. I'm going to get my passport application submitted this week and then focus on getting that payment plan sorted out once the IRS systems are back up. Thanks for the practical advice!

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Isabella Tucker

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I can definitely relate to the stress you're feeling! I went through something similar a couple years back when I owed about $2,800 to the IRS and needed to renew my passport for a family emergency overseas. Like others have mentioned, the $59,000 threshold is accurate - your $3k debt won't affect your passport application at all. But I wanted to share what worked for me regarding those payment delays you're seeing. When my payments weren't showing up online either, I called the IRS automated payment line (1-888-353-4537) instead of trying to reach a live person. You just need your SSN and the payment confirmation numbers. It was able to confirm my payments had been received even though they weren't reflected in the online account yet. Much faster than waiting on hold for hours! Also, don't stress too much about getting the exact balance perfect before making a payment. If you end up overpaying slightly, the IRS will either apply it to future tax years or send you a refund. It's better to have peace of mind and get your taxes current than to keep worrying about a few dollars here or there. Good luck with your passport application - you should be totally fine!

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That automated payment line tip is gold! I never knew that existed - definitely going to try that today instead of waiting on hold forever. It sounds like it might give me the confirmation I need that my payments actually went through. I think you're right about not overthinking the exact balance too. At this point I just want to get everything squared away and move on with my life. The stress of wondering isn't worth saving a few potential dollars if I overpay slightly. Thanks for sharing your experience - it really helps to know other people have been through this exact same situation and everything worked out fine!

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Romeo Quest

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I had a similar issue but with a bigger amount (around 7k). I totally panicked and paid it all off at once, only to find out later I could have just set up a payment plan and still gotten my passport. Learn from my mistake! As long as you're making arranged payments, you should be fine with the passport - especially at less than 3k.

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Val Rossi

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Did your online account update right away after you paid? Mine still shows the full amount even after making payments and it's been 3 weeks.

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Just went through this exact same situation last month! I owed about $3,200 and was terrified my passport renewal would get denied. Turns out I was worried for nothing - the $59,000 threshold everyone mentioned is absolutely correct. What really helped me was getting my tax transcript directly from the IRS website (irs.gov/individuals/get-transcript). It shows all your account activity including payments that might not show up in the online payment system yet. Mine took almost a month to reflect properly online, but the transcript showed everything immediately. Also, since you've already made payments, that shows good faith effort which protects you even more. The IRS really only goes after people who completely ignore their tax debts for extended periods. You're being proactive, which is exactly what they want to see. Your passport should be fine - focus on enjoying your April trip!

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