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Talia Klein

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Wait I'm confused about something. If I'm a substitute teacher working directly for a school district, wouldn't I be a W-2 employee not a 1099 contractor? I subbed last year and got a W-2.

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It depends on how the school district classifies you. Most public school districts treat subs as W-2 employees, but some private schools or tutoring companies might classify you as an independent contractor (1099). The classification isn't just about what they decide to call you - it's based on factors like how much control they have over your work. If they're controlling when, where and how you work, providing training, tools, etc., you SHOULD be classified as an employee regardless of what they call you.

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Margot Quinn

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Great question! As others have mentioned, you should receive a 1099-NEC from the learning center if they paid you $600 or more. But here's something important to keep in mind - the classification itself matters a lot. If the learning center was controlling your schedule, providing lesson plans, telling you exactly how to teach, or treating you like other employees, you might have been misclassified. True independent contractors have more control over how they do their work. This is especially common in education where companies try to avoid paying employment taxes and benefits. If you believe you were misclassified, you can file Form SS-8 with the IRS to get an official determination, or Form 8919 when you file your taxes to pay only the employee portion of Social Security and Medicare taxes instead of the full self-employment tax. This could save you money since self-employment tax is about 15.3% versus 7.65% for employees (the employer pays the other half). Just something to consider as you're navigating this for the first time!

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Aisha Patel

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This is really eye-opening! I had no idea about the misclassification issue. Looking back, the learning center did give me specific curricula to follow and set my schedule pretty rigidly. They also required me to attend training sessions. That sounds more like employee treatment than independent contractor, right? How do I know if it's worth pursuing the SS-8 form? Is there a downside to challenging their classification, especially if I might want to work with them again in the future?

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U.S./Greece Dual Citizenship Tax Treaty: Reporting Worldwide Income

Hey folks! I'm in a bit of a sticky situation with my dual US/Greece citizenship and could really use some advice from anyone who's been there. I've been living full-time in Greece for a couple years now, but my work is all online with clients based in the US. I've always paid my estimated taxes to the US and filed my annual returns as an American living abroad. The thing is, I just found out that since I'm technically a tax resident of Greece, I'm supposed to declare my **worldwide** income to the Greek tax authorities too, even though all my money comes from American sources! 😩 I know there's a tax treaty between the US and Greece to prevent double taxation, but I'm confused about how it actually works in practice. When I file my US taxes, I get a summary sheet from my accountant showing my federal adjusted gross income, my federal taxable income, and what I owe or get refunded. My big question is: According to this tax treaty, will the Greek government look at my **federal adjusted gross income** OR my **federal taxable income** when determining what I've already paid? I'm worried that even after paying my US taxes, I'll still owe a bunch more to Greece since their tax rates seem higher overall: GREECE: 0-10,000 = 9% | 10,001-20,000 = 22% (euros) US: $14,600 or less = 10% | $14,601 to $58,575 = 12% Has anyone navigated this particular maze before? I'm trying to budget properly for next year and don't want to get blindsided!

Caleb Stark

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This thread has been incredibly enlightening! I'm a dual US/Greece citizen who just moved to Athens last month and I'm already stressing about next year's tax situation. One thing I haven't seen mentioned is the complexity around Greek social security contributions. Since I'm self-employed with US clients (similar to the original poster), I'm trying to figure out if I need to pay into the Greek social security system (EFKA) on top of everything else we've discussed here. From what I've read, Greece requires self-employed residents to contribute to their social security system regardless of whether they're also paying US self-employment taxes. Has anyone dealt with this? The contribution rates seem pretty high (around 20% from what I've seen) and I'm not sure if there's any treaty relief for double social security taxation. Also, does anyone know if Greek social security contributions are deductible on your US tax return? I'm trying to budget for 2025 and between US taxes, Greek income taxes, and potentially Greek social security, I'm worried I'll be paying close to 50% of my income in various taxes and contributions! Any insights would be hugely appreciated - this community has already saved me from making some costly mistakes before I even start filing!

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Welcome to Athens! You're asking about one of the most complicated aspects of dual citizenship taxation. Yes, as a Greek tax resident who is self-employed, you're generally required to register with EFKA and make social security contributions regardless of what you pay to the US. The good news is that there IS a US-Greece Social Security Totalization Agreement that can help prevent double taxation on social security. Under this agreement, you typically only pay social security taxes to one country - usually the one where you're physically working. Since you're living in Greece but working with US clients, you'd likely pay Greek social security and be exempt from US self-employment tax (but you need to apply for a certificate of coverage). Greek social security contributions are NOT deductible on your US tax return - they're considered foreign taxes, not business expenses. However, they may reduce your Greek taxable income, which indirectly helps with the foreign tax credit calculations. Your 50% estimate might not be far off unfortunately. Between Greek income tax (up to 44% on higher incomes), Greek social security (around 20%), and whatever US taxes remain after foreign tax credits, it can get pretty brutal. This is why proper tax planning is so critical for dual citizens. I'd strongly recommend getting professional help before you start earning income in 2025 to structure things optimally from the beginning.

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This is such a comprehensive discussion! As someone who's been dealing with dual US/Greece taxation for about 3 years now, I wanted to add a few practical tips that might help newcomers avoid some common pitfalls: **Documentation is everything** - Keep detailed records of all your US tax payments, including quarterly estimated payments. Greece will want to see proof of taxes actually paid, not just what was owed. I learned this the hard way when they initially rejected my foreign tax credit claim because I only provided my tax return, not proof of payment. **Exchange rates matter more than you think** - Use the IRS published exchange rates for converting your Greek income to USD for US filing, and use the European Central Bank rates for converting US taxes to euros for Greek filing. Consistency is key, and using "official" rates helps if either country questions your calculations. **Consider the timing of estimated payments** - Since you're paying US estimated taxes throughout the year but filing Greek taxes after the year ends, you might want to slightly overpay your US estimates. This gives you more foreign tax credits to claim in Greece and reduces the risk of owing a large lump sum to Greece at filing time. **Professional fees are worth it** - I spent about €800 last year on a dual-taxation specialist, but they saved me over €2,500 in unnecessary taxes and penalties. The complexity isn't worth trying to handle alone, especially in your first few years. Hope this helps others navigate this maze a bit more smoothly!

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Nia Davis

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This is incredibly helpful advice! I'm just starting my dual citizenship tax journey and hadn't thought about the documentation aspect. When you mention keeping proof of US tax payments, do you mean bank statements showing the actual transfers to the IRS, or are there specific forms or receipts I should be requesting? Also, regarding the exchange rates - do you convert each quarterly payment separately using the rate from that quarter, or do you use an average rate for the entire year? I'm trying to set up a system now before I get too deep into this process. One more question - when you say the professional saved you €2,500, was that mainly through better tax planning or were there specific deductions/credits you were missing? I'm trying to decide if it's worth the upfront cost in my first year or if I should attempt it myself initially. Thanks for sharing your experience - this kind of real-world insight is exactly what newcomers like me need!

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Nia Watson

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Don't forget to consider state taxes too, not just federal! I paid off my federal taxes from my old LLC but completely overlooked the state tax debt. When I went to register my new LLC, I discovered my state (California) wouldn't let me form a new business entity until I cleared the old tax debt with the state franchise tax board. Had to delay my launch by 2 months while dealing with that mess. Different states have different rules, so check your specific state's requirements before spending money on new LLC formation.

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Wow, that's a really important point I hadn't even considered. I'm in Texas for my businesses, but I'll definitely look into any state-specific requirements. Did you have to completely pay off your state taxes or were you able to set up a payment plan to allow the new LLC formation?

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Nia Watson

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In California, I had to either pay in full or get on an approved payment plan before they would allow the new registration. I ended up paying in full because it was about $3,200 and I just wanted it done with. But I know other states can be more flexible. Texas is generally more business-friendly than California (who isn't, right?), but definitely check with the Texas Comptroller's office. From what I understand, Texas doesn't have the same strict franchise tax block on new formations that California does, but policies change all the time. Better to know before you spend money on filing fees and get denied.

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This is such a common situation for entrepreneurs trying to get back on their feet! I went through something similar when my consulting LLC failed in 2022 and I owed about $8,500 in back taxes. The good news is that you absolutely can form a new LLC while owing taxes from your old one - the IRS doesn't block business formation. However, you need to be strategic about it. The key things I learned: 1. Set up your new LLC properly with completely separate finances - different bank, different EIN, clear documentation of startup capital 2. Address the old debt proactively rather than ignoring it - even a basic installment agreement shows good faith 3. Keep detailed records showing the two businesses are completely separate entities I ended up calling the IRS (after many failed attempts) to set up a payment plan for the old debt before launching my new business. It gave me peace of mind and prevented any collection actions that could have interfered with getting business banking or credit for the new venture. The worst thing you can do is try to hide from the old debt - it won't go away and could create bigger problems down the road. But don't let it stop you from pursuing your new business opportunity either!

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This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the timeline - how long did it take you to get your payment plan set up with the IRS? I'm eager to move forward with my new business idea but want to make sure I handle the old debt properly first. Also, did having the payment plan in place help when you applied for business banking with your new LLC?

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NebulaNinja

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I've been through a similar CP2000 nightmare and want to share what worked for me. First, definitely try calling for an extension like others mentioned - I got 60 extra days just by explaining I needed more time to gather documentation. But if you can't get through or they deny the extension, here's what saved me: I sent a detailed response letter with partial agreement, paying only the portion I absolutely knew was correct (about 40% of their revised amount). In the letter, I clearly stated "I disagree with the following adjustments" and listed each disputed item with supporting documentation. The key is being very specific about what you agree with versus what you're disputing. Don't just say "I disagree with the assessment" - break it down line by line. This shows the IRS exactly where to focus their review and demonstrates you're not just stalling. I also sent everything certified mail with return receipt to prove they received it before the deadline. Three months later, they sent me a revised notice that was actually $800 in my favor! The whole process took about 6 months total, but I avoided paying money I didn't owe and didn't have to deal with amended returns later. The deposit option mentioned by Aisha is also brilliant - wish I had known about IRC 6603 deposits when I was dealing with mine!

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This is exactly the kind of detailed advice I was hoping for! The line-by-line breakdown approach makes so much sense - I've been thinking about this too generally instead of being specific about each disputed item. Quick question: when you sent your partial payment, did you include it with the same mailing as your response letter, or send the payment separately? I'm worried about them processing the payment but not properly noting my disputes if everything arrives together. Also, do you remember roughly how long it took them to cash your partial payment check? I'm trying to get a sense of their processing timeline since I'm cutting it close to the deadline.

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Great question about the payment and letter! I sent everything together in one package - the response letter, supporting documentation, and the check. The key is to reference the check amount and purpose clearly in your letter so they can't process one without the other. In my case, they cashed the partial payment check about 10 days after I sent it (I could track this through my bank), but it took them almost 3 weeks to actually update my account to show they'd received my dispute documentation. That's why certified mail with return receipt is so important - it proves they got everything by your deadline even if their internal processing is slow. One tip: make a copy of the check before you send it, and write "PARTIAL PAYMENT - SEE ATTACHED CORRESPONDENCE" in the memo line. This creates a paper trail linking your payment to your dispute letter. Also include a cover letter that specifically states "This partial payment of $X represents agreement with adjustments A, B, and C only. I dispute adjustments D, E, and F as detailed in the attached response." The IRS systems are designed to handle partial agreements, so don't worry about them getting confused. Just be crystal clear about what the payment covers versus what you're still disputing.

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Based on everyone's advice here, I think I'm going to try a combination approach. First, I'll call tomorrow morning to request an extension using that Claimyr service since several people had success with it - even Nia who was initially skeptical came back to say it worked. If I can get the extension, perfect - that buys me time to properly dispute everything. But if not, I'm going to send a partial agreement letter with an IRC 6603 deposit for the portion I know is definitely correct (probably around $3,000-4,000 of the $7,000). This way I stop penalties and interest on most of it while preserving maximum flexibility to recover anything I shouldn't owe. I really appreciate the specific advice about being line-by-line in the dispute and using certified mail. The memo line tip about writing "PARTIAL PAYMENT - SEE ATTACHED CORRESPONDENCE" is exactly the kind of detail I needed to know. One last question - has anyone here actually used the IRC 6603 deposit option successfully? I want to make sure I get the language exactly right in my letter since this seems like the safest approach given my tight timeline.

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I haven't personally used the IRC 6603 deposit option, but I've seen it work well for others in similar situations. The key language you want to include in your letter is something like: "Enclosed is a deposit of $X,XXX made pursuant to IRC Section 6603. This deposit is being made to stop the accrual of interest and penalties on the disputed assessment while I continue to challenge the remaining adjustments through proper administrative channels." Make sure to also state clearly: "This deposit does not constitute agreement with the IRS's position and I reserve all rights to dispute the underlying assessment." On your check, write "IRC 6603 DEPOSIT" in the memo line. Your combination approach sounds smart - trying for the extension first gives you the best outcome, but having the deposit strategy as a backup protects you if the extension doesn't work out. Just make sure whichever route you take, you send everything certified mail well before your deadline. Good luck!

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Ally Tailer

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Just a quick tip from someone who's been in financial services for 20+ years - check if these accounts have automated dividend reinvestment plans (DRIPs). When dividends are automatically reinvested, the cost basis often equals proceeds because the purchase price equals the sale price at that exact moment. If the account is high value ($1M+) and has been running on autopilot with DRIP for years, you can absolutely get these massive matching numbers. The tiny fractional differences might not even show up due to rounding on the 1099-B.

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Thank you, this is actually really helpful! Many of our clients do use DRIPs, and I hadn't considered how that might impact the reporting. I'll check their account settings tomorrow. Do you know if there's any specific section on the 1099-B that would indicate DRIP transactions versus normal sales?

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Ally Tailer

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Most 1099-Bs won't specifically label them as DRIP transactions - they'll just appear as regular buys and sells. However, you can usually identify them by looking for very specific patterns: transactions on dividend payment dates, odd/fractional share amounts, and identical trade dates for both purchase and sale. Sometimes there will be a transaction code or a notes field with an indicator like "DRIP" or "DIV REINV" but this varies widely by brokerage. Your best bet is to pull the transaction history report alongside the 1099-B and look for these patterns, especially focusing on dividend payment dates for the securities in question.

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Chloe Harris

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This is a great discussion with lots of helpful insights! I'm seeing similar patterns with some of our clients and wanted to add one more scenario I've encountered recently. Sometimes matching proceeds and cost basis can result from mutual fund exchanges within the same fund family. When clients do tax-free exchanges between funds (like moving from a growth fund to a value fund within the same company), the basis often transfers directly, resulting in identical numbers on the 1099-B. Also, for anyone dealing with these complex situations regularly, I'd recommend keeping a detailed spreadsheet tracking which clients have these matching figures and the eventual explanations. It's helped me identify patterns - for instance, I noticed that three clients with matching basis/proceeds all had the same financial advisor who was implementing a specific tax-loss harvesting strategy. The key is definitely not to panic when you see these numbers. There are legitimate reasons, but it's always worth investigating to make sure you're handling the tax implications correctly for your clients.

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you! The mutual fund exchange scenario makes a lot of sense and I bet that's what's happening with at least one of my clients. I love the idea about keeping a tracking spreadsheet - I'm definitely going to start doing that. One question though - when you mention tax-free exchanges between fund families, are those reported as separate buy/sell transactions on the 1099-B, or do they show up as a single exchange transaction? I want to make sure I'm interpreting the documents correctly when I see these patterns. Also, has anyone found that certain brokerages are better than others at providing clear documentation for these types of transactions? Some of our clients' statements are much clearer than others about what actually happened.

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