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Andre Laurent

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One thing nobody has mentioned yet - the company might have had a reason for issuing a 1099-NEC. Was there any chance this was structured as a buyback with an additional premium? Sometimes companies will pay more than fair market value for shares as a form of severance or additional compensation, especially with early employees. If that's the case, you might need to split the reporting - part as capital gains (the actual FMV of the stock) and part as compensation (any premium above FMV). Worth double-checking your sale documents to confirm the valuation matched pure FMV.

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StarStrider

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Thanks for bringing that up. I checked all my documents carefully before posting. The purchase agreement explicitly states the shares were bought at the exact same price as the most recent external financing round - no premium involved. It was a straightforward stock sale at market value, which is why I'm confident it should be capital gains treatment. The company's finance team admitted they "weren't sure how to report it" and went with 1099-NEC because it was "easier for them" than figuring out the broker requirements for a 1099-B. Pretty frustrating when their convenience creates tax complications for former employees.

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Emily Jackson

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Just a heads up - I dealt with this exact issue last year with QSBS stock. Make absolutely sure you have documentation proving it qualifies as QSBS! The requirements are strict: - Company must be a qualified small business when you acquired the stock - Must have held the stock for at least 5 years - Company assets must have been under $50 million when stock was issued - Must be original issue stock (bought from company, not secondary) The IRS scrutinizes QSBS claims carefully because of the huge tax advantage. If you're claiming the 50% exclusion, make sure you have rock-solid proof for every QSBS requirement.

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Liam Mendez

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I thought QSBS had to be held for at least 5 years to get any exclusion? OP didn't mention how long they held the stock.

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Malik Robinson

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You're absolutely right about the 5-year requirement! @f276654cb9eb - this is crucial for your situation. Since you mentioned purchasing the first batch while working there and the second batch after leaving, you need to verify that both batches have been held for at least 5 years to qualify for the QSBS exclusion. If either batch hasn't met the 5-year holding period, you'll still report it as capital gains (not as compensation income from the 1099-NEC), but you won't be able to claim the 50% exclusion on those shares. The holding period starts from when you originally acquired the stock from the company, not when you sold it back. Make sure to track the holding periods separately for each batch since they were acquired at different times. This could significantly impact your tax calculation!

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Dmitry Smirnov

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11 Does anyone know if there's a time limit for using these carried-over investment interest expenses? I have some from like 5 years ago that I haven't been able to use yet.

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Dmitry Smirnov

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8 There's no time limit! Investment interest expense carryovers can be carried forward indefinitely until you're able to use them. Unlike some other tax attributes like capital losses (which have a $3,000 per year limit against ordinary income), there's no annual limit on how much investment interest expense you can deduct - it's just limited by your net investment income for the year. So those 5-year-old carryovers are still valid as long as you have documentation to support them if asked.

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Nia Harris

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a similar situation with investment interest carryovers and want to add a few practical tips for anyone else dealing with this: 1. **Keep meticulous records** - The IRS doesn't track your carryovers for you, so maintain copies of all Form 4952s that show disallowed amounts. I create a simple spreadsheet tracking carryover amounts by year. 2. **Review your investment strategy** - If you consistently have more investment interest expense than investment income, consider whether the debt is truly worth it from a tax perspective. 3. **Consider timing** - If you're close to the standard vs. itemized deduction threshold, sometimes it makes sense to bunch investment expenses (and other itemizable deductions) into alternating years to maximize the benefit. The indefinite carryforward rule is really generous compared to other tax provisions, so don't let these deductions go to waste! Just make sure you have the documentation to back them up.

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Mohammad Khaled

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Another approach I used last year was attaching my ยง 1.351-3 statement as a PDF within the "Miscellaneous Statements" or "Additional Information" section in TurboTax. I labeled it clearly and made sure to reference it in the main form where relevant. My return was accepted without issues. I also kept a paper copy of everything, including the statement, just in case the IRS requested additional information. They never did, which suggests the e-filed statement was sufficient.

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Alina Rosenthal

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Does this work with other tax software too? I'm using H&R Block online and can't seem to find an equivalent section.

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Mohammad Khaled

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H&R Block definitely has a similar feature, but they call it something different. Look for "Supporting Documents" or "Miscellaneous Forms" in the filing section. Usually it's near the end of the preparation process after you've completed all the main sections. If you're still having trouble finding it, try searching their help section for "attach documents" or "supporting documentation." Most major tax software has built this capability in specifically for situations like yours where there's no standard form for certain required statements.

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Finnegan Gunn

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Does anybody know if there are specific penalties for not including this statement? I realized I needed to file one for a transaction I did in 2022, but I've already filed my taxes for that year and don't want to deal with an amended return if the penalties are minimal.

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Miguel Harvey

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You're playing with fire. The statement itself doesn't change your tax liability, but failing to file required documentation for a Section 351 transaction could potentially disqualify the tax-free treatment of the exchange. That could mean recognizing gain you otherwise wouldn't have to.

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Rachel Clark

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@Miguel Harvey is absolutely right about the risks. The failure to file the required statement could jeopardize the entire Section 351 tax-free treatment, which would be much more costly than just filing an amended return. I'd strongly recommend filing the 1040-X with the statement attached. The IRS generally doesn't impose specific penalties just for missing the statement if you file it promptly once you realize the error, but they could challenge the tax-free nature of your transaction if you don't have proper documentation on file. Given that 2022 returns, you still have time before the statute of limitations runs out. Better to be safe and get it properly documented now.

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Sofia Morales

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One thing I learned the hard way - make multiple copies of everything before sending! I sent my 83(b) election last year from Japan, and the IRS claimed they never received it despite tracking showing it was delivered. Send it with tracking for sure, but also keep digital scans of everything you submit, including proof of mailing and delivery confirmation. This documentation saved me during an audit when the IRS couldn't locate my original 83(b) election in their records.

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Dmitry Popov

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Did you ever figure out why they lost your form? I'm worried about the same thing happening. Is there any way to confirm they actually processed it once they receive it?

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Aisha Khan

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As someone who's been through this exact scenario (non-resident working for US company with stock options), I can confirm that yes, you absolutely need to file the 83(b) election even as a Brazilian non-resident. The US will still consider this US-source income when you eventually exercise or sell. A few practical tips from my experience: 1. You can file the 83(b) election before getting your ITIN - just include a note that your ITIN application is in process. The IRS accepts this. 2. For mailing from Brazil, use a reliable courier service like DHL or FedEx with tracking. Regular mail is too risky for something this important. 3. The correct address for international filers is: Internal Revenue Service, Austin Service Center, ITIN Operation, P.O. Box 149342, Austin, TX 78714-9342 4. Include a cover letter explaining you're a non-resident filing an 83(b) election, and request written confirmation of receipt. The 30-day deadline is absolute, so don't delay! Also consider consulting with a tax professional who understands both US and Brazilian tax law, especially since Brazil doesn't have a comprehensive tax treaty with the US - you'll want to plan for potential double taxation issues down the road. Good luck!

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PSA: How to Get IRS Penalties Abated in 2025 - What Most Taxpayers Don't Know

I've been seeing tons of helpful tax advice around here lately, but it seems like nobody's talking about penalty abatement enough. If you've been hit with IRS penalties, you should know that you can actually request to have most of them removed (including failure to file, failure to pay, and accuracy related penalties). The IRS doesn't have to approve your request, but it's free to ask and won't make your situation worse. Here are the three main ways the IRS will typically abate penalties: 1) Reasonable Cause - This is when you tried your best to meet tax obligations but couldn't due to circumstances beyond your control. For example, if your house burned down with all your records, you were seriously ill or hospitalized, a close family member died, you got a wrong W-2 or 1099 that seemed correct, or you relied on tax advice from a professional. Basically, this is saying "I know I had obligations but extreme circumstances prevented me from meeting them." The IRS might ask for documentation like insurance claims or medical records. 2) First Time Abatement - This is basically your "freebie" from the IRS if you've been a good taxpayer until now. To qualify, you need to have filed all required returns, paid or arranged to pay taxes due, and had no penalties in the past 3 years. Even if you've gotten reasonable cause relief before, you can still qualify for First Time Abatement. 3) Incorrect Written Advice from IRS - If the IRS gave you wrong info in writing and you followed it, they'll remove the penalties. You'll need to file Form 843 for this type of abatement (the others can be requested with a letter to the IRS). You can also request relief if you got incorrect advice over the phone, but you'll need to prove the IRS gave you bad info, so this one rarely works out. **What Can't Be Abated** Interest generally can't be abated. However, if your penalties get removed, ask the IRS to recalculate the interest. Since interest is calculated on penalties too, removing penalties will reduce your interest (and if you only owed penalties, interest would drop to $0). **State Penalty Abatement** Every state I've dealt with (NJ, NY, PA, CA at least) has some type of abatement program too. The rules vary by state, so check your state's division of revenue/taxation website for their specific requirements.

Rami Samuels

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Is anyone using TurboTax or other tax software that helps with penalty abatement requests? I'm wondering if I need to hire a professional or if I can handle this myself.

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Haley Bennett

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I've used FreeTaxUSA for the past few years and they have some basic guidance about penalty abatement in their help section, but they don't actually generate the letter for you. For my abatement request last year, I ended up finding a template online and customizing it myself. It worked, but took me quite a bit of research to feel confident. If the amount of the penalty is significant (like over $500), it might be worth consulting with a tax pro. If it's smaller, the DIY approach with some good research might be more cost-effective. The IRS website actually has decent info on what they're looking for in abatement requests.

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Diego Vargas

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This is incredibly useful information! I wish I had known about penalty abatement options earlier. I've been dealing with a failure-to-pay penalty from 2022 when I had to choose between paying my mortgage and paying my quarterly taxes after losing my job unexpectedly. I ended up paying the taxes late once I found new employment, but the penalties have been accumulating with interest. Based on what's been shared here, it sounds like I might qualify for reasonable cause abatement since job loss is typically considered a circumstance beyond my control. Quick question for the tax professionals here - when documenting job loss for reasonable cause, what kind of supporting documentation works best? I have my termination letter and unemployment benefit records. Would those be sufficient, or do I need additional proof that the job loss directly impacted my ability to pay on time? Also, does anyone know if there's a statute of limitations on requesting penalty abatement? It's been about 2 years since the penalties were assessed.

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