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Natalie Chen

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Great question about Schedule E depreciation! I went through this exact same confusion last year. Here's what I learned that might help: The key thing to remember is that residential rental property depreciation is actually pretty standardized - you'll always use the 27.5-year straight-line method under GDS (General Depreciation System). The tricky part is just getting your basis calculation right for the rental portion. One thing that helped me was creating a simple spreadsheet to track everything. I calculated: 1. Total property value (minus land value - super important!) 2. Percentage used for rental (square footage or room count method) 3. Depreciable basis = (Property value - Land value) ร— Rental percentage 4. Annual depreciation = Depreciable basis รท 27.5 years For the first year, don't forget to use the mid-month convention if you started renting partway through the year. The IRS has tables in Publication 946 that show exactly how much to depreciate based on which month you placed the property in service. And yes, you'll need Form 4562 for the first year, then the depreciation amount flows to Schedule E line 18 in subsequent years. Once you get the hang of it, it's actually one of the more straightforward parts of rental property taxes!

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Diego Flores

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This is such a helpful breakdown! I'm a first-time rental property owner and the spreadsheet idea is genius. Quick question though - when you mention the mid-month convention, does that apply even if I only started renting out part of my home in December? I'm worried I might be overthinking this, but I want to make sure I don't mess up the first year calculation since it affects all future years.

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Jordan Walker

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Yes, the mid-month convention applies regardless of which month you start! If you placed the rental property in service in December, you'd treat it as if it was placed in service in the middle of December for depreciation purposes. This means you'd get 0.5 months (half of December) of depreciation in your first year. Looking at Table A-6 in Publication 946, if you started in December (month 12), you'd use 0.152% of your depreciable basis for the first year. So if your depreciable basis was $100,000, you'd claim $152 in depreciation for that first year. You're definitely not overthinking it - getting the first year right is crucial because it sets up your depreciation schedule for the entire 27.5-year period. The IRS is pretty strict about this, so it's worth taking the time to get it correct from the start!

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Javier Cruz

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the importance of keeping detailed records for your partial rental depreciation. The IRS can be pretty picky about this, especially if you get audited. I'd recommend documenting: 1. How you calculated the percentage split (square footage measurements, photos showing which areas are rented vs. personal use) 2. Your land vs. building value allocation method and sources 3. The date you first made the space available for rent (not necessarily when you got your first tenant) 4. Any improvements you made specifically for the rental portion Also, be aware that when you eventually sell the property, you'll need to "recapture" the depreciation you've claimed on the rental portion - it gets taxed at up to 25% rather than capital gains rates. This doesn't mean you shouldn't take the depreciation (you should!), but it's good to plan ahead for the tax implications down the road. The depreciation deduction can really add up over the years and significantly reduce your rental income taxes, so it's worth getting this right from the beginning!

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Haley Stokes

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I think a lot of people overlook the fact that Form 5471 has different categories of filers. For a 50% ownership in a foreign corp, you're most likely a Category 5 filer. The important thing is disclosure - the penalties for not filing can be steep ($10k+ per form per year). If the business truly has no operations, minimal expenses and no bank accounts, your Form 5471 would be pretty basic but still required. The cost shouldn't be that high for a simple filing with minimal info - you might find a US expat tax specialist who would do just this form for a reasonable fee rather than a full tax return.

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Lourdes Fox

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Thanks, this is super helpful. So even though we never really operated, just the fact that we registered the business means I need to file? Is there any threshold for "minimal expenses" - we spent maybe ยฃ200 total on samples before abandoning the project.

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Haley Stokes

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Yes, the registration itself created a legal entity that you partially own, which triggers the Form 5471 filing requirement regardless of the minimal activity. The IRS is primarily concerned with disclosure of foreign entities, even dormant ones. There's no specific threshold for "minimal expenses" that exempts you from filing. However, the ยฃ200 you spent would simply be reported as expenses on the form. The good news is that with such minimal activity, your form would be quite straightforward - many sections would be zeros or not applicable. This is exactly the type of situation where the simplified reporting under Revenue Procedure 92-70 might be applicable, as others have mentioned.

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Asher Levin

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I had a similar situation with a business i registered in australia that never really did anything. one important thing to consider: the statute of limitations doesn't start running on your tax returns until you've filed all required international forms. so if you don't file the 5471, theoretically the irs could audit your returns from that year forever!!!

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Keisha Johnson

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@Asher Levin That s'a scary thought about the statute of limitations never starting! Did you end up using one of those penalty relief programs when you finally filed? I ve'heard the IRS has some options for people who didn t'know about these international filing requirements, but I m'not sure how they work in practice.

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Ruby Garcia

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@Asher Levin Wait, that statute of limitations thing sounds terrifying! So you re'saying if I don t'file the Form 5471 for my UK business, the IRS could potentially audit me years down the road even if I file everything else correctly? That s'exactly the kind of nightmare scenario I was worried about. How did you find out about this - did a tax professional tell you or did you discover it through research? I m'starting to think I really can t'afford NOT to file this form, even if the business never did anything substantial.

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I'm going through this exact same situation right now! Filed my amended return about 5 weeks ago after discovering I had completely forgotten to report some cryptocurrency gains from last year (rookie mistake, I know). Just like everyone else here, I can see the 971 code clear as day on my tax transcript, but that WMAR tool keeps telling me it can't find any information about my amendment. I was starting to think I had somehow filed it incorrectly or that it got lost in cyberspace! Reading through all these responses has been such a relief - it's crazy that so many of us are experiencing the exact same disconnect between these IRS systems. You'd think by 2025 they would have figured out how to make their databases talk to each other properly, but apparently not! I'm definitely going to stop wasting time checking that useless WMAR tool and just focus on monitoring my transcript for updates. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - it's so helpful to know this is just a system quirk and not something I did wrong. The IRS really needs to fix this because it's causing unnecessary stress for people who are already being responsible by filing amendments!

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Nia Harris

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Welcome to the community! Your crypto gains situation sounds very similar to what many of us have been dealing with - it's honestly such a relief to see that this WMAR tool issue is so widespread. I'm relatively new here myself, but from everything I've read in this thread, it seems like the 971 code on your transcript is really the only thing that matters. The WMAR tool appears to be pretty much broken for amended returns this year, which is frustrating but at least we know our amendments are actually in the system and being processed. It's really encouraging to see so many people being proactive about catching their mistakes and filing amendments properly. The crypto reporting requirements can be tricky to navigate, so good on you for catching that and fixing it! I'm curious - did you use any specific software or just file the 1040-X manually? I'm trying to figure out the best approach for future tax seasons to avoid these kinds of oversights.

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StardustSeeker

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This thread is incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with the exact same issue - filed my amended return about 7 weeks ago after realizing I missed reporting some freelance income from a small project I did last fall. Like everyone else here, I can see the 971 code on my transcript clear as day, but that WMAR tool just keeps giving me the "no information available" message. I was honestly starting to panic thinking something went wrong with my filing! It's so reassuring to read that this disconnect between the transcript and WMAR tool is basically a known issue at this point. You'd think the IRS would at least put up a notice on the WMAR tool explaining this, but I guess that would be too helpful! ๐Ÿ˜… I'm definitely going to stop checking that useless tool and just focus on monitoring my transcript weekly. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - it's amazing how much stress this community can help relieve when you realize you're not alone in dealing with these system quirks! For anyone else going through this, it sounds like as long as you see that 971 code, you're in good shape and just need to be patient with the processing timeline. The IRS systems may not talk to each other properly, but at least we know our amendments are actually being processed!

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GalaxyGazer

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I'm brand new to this community but had to jump in because I'm experiencing the EXACT same thing! Filed my amended return about 4 weeks ago after discovering I forgot to include some side income from tutoring, and just like everyone else here, I can see the 971 code on my transcript but the WMAR tool acts like my amendment doesn't exist. This thread has been such a lifesaver - I was honestly starting to think I had messed up the filing process somehow! It's pretty wild that in 2025 we're still dealing with government systems that apparently can't communicate with each other, but at least now I know it's not just me going crazy. @92aa244a19a2 I totally agree about the IRS putting up a notice on the WMAR tool! It would save so many people from unnecessary stress if they just acknowledged this is a known issue. But I guess expecting that level of user-friendly communication from a government agency is asking too much ๐Ÿ˜‚ Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - definitely going to stop obsessing over that broken WMAR tool and just check my transcript weekly instead!

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Evelyn Kelly

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I actually had a very similar question last year when I saw my 846 code! After going through this process, I can tell you that the transcript is definitely the most reliable source for offset information. When an offset happens, you'll typically see a TC 898 code on your transcript that shows the offset amount and which agency it went to. The 846 code will then show your net refund amount after the offset has been taken. However, I learned that timing is really important here - sometimes there's a delay between when the 846 code appears and when the 898 offset code shows up. In my case, I saw the 846 first and got worried when the amount seemed right, but then the 898 appeared about 48 hours later showing an offset to my state tax agency. If you want immediate peace of mind, I'd definitely recommend calling the Treasury Offset Program hotline at 800-304-3107. It's completely automated (no waiting on hold!) and will tell you right away if there are any offsets pending against your SSN. That way you'll know exactly what to expect when your refund hits your account instead of being surprised by a different amount. The WMR tool tends to be pretty vague about offsets - it'll just say something generic about obligations without giving you specifics. The transcript gives you way more detailed information about what's actually happening with your money.

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Aaron Boston

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This is exactly the kind of detailed explanation I was looking for! I just called that Treasury Offset Program number you mentioned and it was super quick - no offset on my account, which is a huge relief. Your point about the timing delay between the 846 and potential 898 codes is really helpful to know. I was getting anxious seeing my 846 code with the full expected amount but wasn't sure if I should keep checking for changes. Now I feel much more confident about what to expect when my refund deposits. Thank you for sharing your experience!

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Ava Johnson

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I went through this same anxiety last tax season! Based on my experience, the transcript is definitely your most reliable source. When I had an offset for old student loans, it showed up as a TC 898 code on my transcript with the exact amount that went to the Department of Education. The 846 code reflected my final refund amount after the offset was already deducted. One thing I wish someone had told me is that these codes don't always appear at the same time. My 846 showed up first with what looked like my full refund amount, but then 2 days later the 898 offset code appeared and I realized the 846 amount had actually been updated to reflect the net amount after offset. It was confusing at first! The WMR tool just gave me a generic message about "obligations" but didn't specify amounts or which agency. If you want to know for sure right now, definitely call that Treasury Offset Program number others have mentioned (800-304-3107) - it's automated and super quick. That's how I found out exactly what was happening before I got my deposit. Hope this helps ease some of the uncertainty! The waiting and not knowing is honestly the worst part of the whole process.

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Chloe Martin

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Thank you so much for sharing your experience with the timing of these codes! That's exactly what I was worried about - seeing what looks like my full amount and then having it change later. It's really helpful to know that the 846 amount can actually get updated when the 898 offset code appears. I'm going to call that Treasury Offset Program number right now to get a definitive answer rather than keep refreshing my transcript every few hours. The uncertainty really is the worst part - at least if I know there's an offset coming, I can mentally prepare for it instead of being surprised when the deposit doesn't match what I'm expecting.

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Freya Andersen

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You're absolutely right to be concerned about this situation. As the custodial parent, you have the legal right to claim your children as dependents, but you need to be proactive about protecting that right. Here's what I'd recommend: 1. **File your taxes as early as possible** - The IRS processes returns in the order they receive them, so filing early gives you the best chance of claiming your children before anyone else tries. 2. **Document everything** - Keep records showing you provide more than half of your children's support (housing, food, clothing, medical care, etc.). Even though you live with grandma, if you're paying for these things, you're the primary support provider. 3. **Have a conversation with grandma** - Since you live together, try to resolve this amicably. Explain that as the parent, you have priority under IRS rules and that you need these tax benefits to continue supporting the children. 4. **Don't sign Form 8332** - This form would give the father permission to claim the children. Since they haven't lived with him since 2012, he has no legal basis to claim them anyway. If someone does file first and claims your children, you'll need to file a paper return and let the IRS sort out the duplicate claims. As the biological parent who lives with and supports the children, you should win any dispute - just make sure you have documentation ready. The key is acting quickly and having your paperwork in order. Good luck!

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Alina Rosenthal

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This is really comprehensive advice! I'm curious about the documentation part - what if grandma is helping pay for some things like groceries or utilities since we share the house? Does that complicate the "more than half support" requirement? Also, should I keep receipts for everything or are there specific types of expenses the IRS cares about most?

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Ruby Knight

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Great question about the shared expenses! The IRS looks at the total support provided, so if grandma is contributing to household expenses like groceries or utilities, you'll need to calculate what percentage of your children's total support you're providing versus what she's providing. For documentation, focus on these key categories: - **Housing costs** (rent/mortgage, utilities) - calculate the portion attributable to the children - **Food and clothing** - keep receipts for groceries and kids' clothing - **Medical and dental care** - insurance premiums, copays, prescriptions - **Education expenses** - school supplies, fees, childcare - **Transportation** - car expenses related to kids' activities, school, etc. The IRS generally uses a "support test worksheet" where you list all expenses. As long as you provide more than 50% of their total support, you pass the test. If grandma pays utilities but you cover rent, food, clothing, and medical - you're likely still providing the majority. Keep receipts for major expenses and create a simple spreadsheet tracking monthly costs. Bank statements showing payments can also serve as documentation. The key is being able to show a clear pattern that you're the primary financial supporter of your children.

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Donna Cline

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As someone who's dealt with family tax disputes, I'd strongly recommend getting ahead of this by having a direct conversation with both the father and grandmother before tax season gets too busy. For the father - since your kids haven't lived with him since 2012, he legally cannot claim them as dependents under IRS rules. You might want to send him a polite but firm text or email explaining this, referencing that the children must live with the claiming parent for more than half the year. Sometimes people don't realize the rules have changed or assume they can still claim kids they used to support. For the grandmother situation - this is trickier since you share a household, but as the biological parent, you still have priority under IRS tiebreaker rules. Consider proposing a family meeting to discuss finances openly. Maybe work out an arrangement where you claim the kids but contribute more to shared household expenses with part of your refund. Document your support now - start keeping receipts for groceries, kids' clothing, medical appointments, school expenses, etc. Take photos of receipts with your phone so you don't lose them. This preparation will save you major headaches if anyone does try to claim your children and you need to prove your case to the IRS. The peace of mind from having this sorted out beforehand is worth the potentially awkward conversations!

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