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This is such a common source of confusion! I went through the exact same panic last year when I saw a huge difference between those boxes. What helped me understand it was thinking of it this way: your state has TWO different tax systems that use your wages differently. Box 16 is for the income tax you pay to your state (like your federal income tax), while Box 18 is for unemployment insurance that your employer pays on your behalf. Most states say "we only need to collect unemployment tax on the first $X of wages" - so once you hit that cap, your employer stops paying unemployment tax on any additional wages you earn. That's why Box 18 stops counting at a certain point while Box 16 keeps going. It's actually a good thing - it means you earned more than your state's unemployment wage base! Nothing to worry about at all.
This is such a helpful way to think about it! I never realized there were actually two separate tax systems using my wages differently. The "first $X of wages" explanation makes it so much clearer than all the technical jargon I was reading online. Really appreciate you breaking it down in terms that actually make sense to someone who isn't a tax expert!
Just wanted to add that you can also check your state's specific unemployment wage base limit by looking it up on your state's Department of Labor website. Each state sets their own cap and it changes yearly. For 2025, some examples: - Alabama: $8,000 - California: $7,000 - New York: $12,300 - Texas: $9,000 If you made more than your state's limit, that explains the difference perfectly. I had the same confusion until I looked up my state's specific number and it matched exactly with what I was seeing on my W2. Really wish they made this clearer on the actual form!
This is incredibly helpful! I wish I had known about checking the state Department of Labor website earlier. I spent way too much time worrying that something was wrong with my W2 when I could have just looked up my state's specific cap. The examples you provided really put it in perspective too - it's crazy how much the limits vary between states. Thanks for sharing this resource!
5 I had a similar situation but with a REIT instead of an MLP in my Roth IRA. Can anyone recommend good tax software that handles these special investment situations well? I've been using TurboTax but it seems confused when I try to enter information about retirement account investments.
19 I've had good luck with H&R Block's premium online version for investments. But honestly, for retirement accounts, you generally don't need to report the specific investments at all unless there's UBTI over $1,000 or you're taking distributions. The whole point of retirement accounts is that the investments grow tax-deferred (or tax-free for Roth).
Great question about MLP trading in retirement accounts! As others have mentioned, you're generally in the clear since you were day trading rather than holding for distributions. However, I'd add one important point that hasn't been fully addressed - make sure to keep good records of your trading activity. Even though you likely won't need to report anything for tax purposes, if the IRS ever questions your retirement account activity, having detailed records of your trades (entry/exit dates, amounts, reasoning) can help demonstrate that this was legitimate investment activity rather than prohibited transactions. Also, while UBTI is unlikely to be an issue with your day trading approach, it's worth noting that some MLPs can generate UBTI even without distributions if they have significant business income allocated to unit holders. Since you were only holding positions briefly, this shouldn't affect you, but it's good to be aware of for future reference. The bottom line is that retirement account trading generally shields you from most of these complications, which is exactly why these accounts are so valuable for active investors!
Great question about Schedule E depreciation! I went through this exact same confusion last year. Here's what I learned that might help: The key thing to remember is that residential rental property depreciation is actually pretty standardized - you'll always use the 27.5-year straight-line method under GDS (General Depreciation System). The tricky part is just getting your basis calculation right for the rental portion. One thing that helped me was creating a simple spreadsheet to track everything. I calculated: 1. Total property value (minus land value - super important!) 2. Percentage used for rental (square footage or room count method) 3. Depreciable basis = (Property value - Land value) ร Rental percentage 4. Annual depreciation = Depreciable basis รท 27.5 years For the first year, don't forget to use the mid-month convention if you started renting partway through the year. The IRS has tables in Publication 946 that show exactly how much to depreciate based on which month you placed the property in service. And yes, you'll need Form 4562 for the first year, then the depreciation amount flows to Schedule E line 18 in subsequent years. Once you get the hang of it, it's actually one of the more straightforward parts of rental property taxes!
This is such a helpful breakdown! I'm a first-time rental property owner and the spreadsheet idea is genius. Quick question though - when you mention the mid-month convention, does that apply even if I only started renting out part of my home in December? I'm worried I might be overthinking this, but I want to make sure I don't mess up the first year calculation since it affects all future years.
Yes, the mid-month convention applies regardless of which month you start! If you placed the rental property in service in December, you'd treat it as if it was placed in service in the middle of December for depreciation purposes. This means you'd get 0.5 months (half of December) of depreciation in your first year. Looking at Table A-6 in Publication 946, if you started in December (month 12), you'd use 0.152% of your depreciable basis for the first year. So if your depreciable basis was $100,000, you'd claim $152 in depreciation for that first year. You're definitely not overthinking it - getting the first year right is crucial because it sets up your depreciation schedule for the entire 27.5-year period. The IRS is pretty strict about this, so it's worth taking the time to get it correct from the start!
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the importance of keeping detailed records for your partial rental depreciation. The IRS can be pretty picky about this, especially if you get audited. I'd recommend documenting: 1. How you calculated the percentage split (square footage measurements, photos showing which areas are rented vs. personal use) 2. Your land vs. building value allocation method and sources 3. The date you first made the space available for rent (not necessarily when you got your first tenant) 4. Any improvements you made specifically for the rental portion Also, be aware that when you eventually sell the property, you'll need to "recapture" the depreciation you've claimed on the rental portion - it gets taxed at up to 25% rather than capital gains rates. This doesn't mean you shouldn't take the depreciation (you should!), but it's good to plan ahead for the tax implications down the road. The depreciation deduction can really add up over the years and significantly reduce your rental income taxes, so it's worth getting this right from the beginning!
I think a lot of people overlook the fact that Form 5471 has different categories of filers. For a 50% ownership in a foreign corp, you're most likely a Category 5 filer. The important thing is disclosure - the penalties for not filing can be steep ($10k+ per form per year). If the business truly has no operations, minimal expenses and no bank accounts, your Form 5471 would be pretty basic but still required. The cost shouldn't be that high for a simple filing with minimal info - you might find a US expat tax specialist who would do just this form for a reasonable fee rather than a full tax return.
Thanks, this is super helpful. So even though we never really operated, just the fact that we registered the business means I need to file? Is there any threshold for "minimal expenses" - we spent maybe ยฃ200 total on samples before abandoning the project.
Yes, the registration itself created a legal entity that you partially own, which triggers the Form 5471 filing requirement regardless of the minimal activity. The IRS is primarily concerned with disclosure of foreign entities, even dormant ones. There's no specific threshold for "minimal expenses" that exempts you from filing. However, the ยฃ200 you spent would simply be reported as expenses on the form. The good news is that with such minimal activity, your form would be quite straightforward - many sections would be zeros or not applicable. This is exactly the type of situation where the simplified reporting under Revenue Procedure 92-70 might be applicable, as others have mentioned.
I had a similar situation with a business i registered in australia that never really did anything. one important thing to consider: the statute of limitations doesn't start running on your tax returns until you've filed all required international forms. so if you don't file the 5471, theoretically the irs could audit your returns from that year forever!!!
@Asher Levin That s'a scary thought about the statute of limitations never starting! Did you end up using one of those penalty relief programs when you finally filed? I ve'heard the IRS has some options for people who didn t'know about these international filing requirements, but I m'not sure how they work in practice.
@Asher Levin Wait, that statute of limitations thing sounds terrifying! So you re'saying if I don t'file the Form 5471 for my UK business, the IRS could potentially audit me years down the road even if I file everything else correctly? That s'exactly the kind of nightmare scenario I was worried about. How did you find out about this - did a tax professional tell you or did you discover it through research? I m'starting to think I really can t'afford NOT to file this form, even if the business never did anything substantial.
Max Knight
Has anyone had this IND-031-04 code problem with tax software other than TurboTax? I'm using H&R Block online and wondering if switching software might help...
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Emma Swift
โขI had the same rejection code using FreeTaxUSA, so it's definitely an IRS issue, not a TurboTax problem. Switching software won't help because they all connect to the same IRS e-file system. You need to figure out what AGI the IRS actually has on file for you.
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Mateo Martinez
I went through this exact same nightmare last month! After getting rejected 6 times with IND-031-04, I finally discovered the issue was that the IRS had made a small adjustment to my 2023 return that I wasn't aware of. Here's what worked for me: 1. Get your Account Transcript (not Return Transcript) from the IRS website - this shows any changes they made after processing your original return 2. Look for transaction code "290" or "291" which indicates adjustments 3. Calculate your adjusted AGI by adding/subtracting any adjustment amounts from your original AGI In my case, they had corrected a math error that reduced my AGI by $89. Once I used the corrected amount in TurboTax, it went through immediately. The whole process is incredibly frustrating because they don't notify you when they make these adjustments, but you're expected to know about them for e-filing verification. If you can't decipher the transcript codes (they're pretty cryptic), calling the IRS directly to confirm your correct AGI might be worth it, even though their phone system is a nightmare. Good luck!
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QuantumQuasar
โขThis is incredibly helpful - thank you for breaking down the specific steps! I'm definitely going to try getting the Account Transcript instead. The fact that they make these adjustments without notifying us but then expect us to know about them for verification is absolutely ridiculous. Did you have any trouble interpreting the transaction codes, or were the 290/291 codes pretty obvious once you knew what to look for? I'm worried I might miss something important in all those numbers and codes.
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Ella Harper
โขThe 290/291 codes are usually pretty clear once you know what you're looking for, but I'll admit the transcripts can be overwhelming at first glance. Here's a tip that helped me: focus on the "Transaction Date" column first - look for dates after your original filing date in 2023. Any entries with dates later than when you filed are likely adjustments. The 290 codes will show as either positive or negative dollar amounts. If it's negative, subtract that from your original AGI. If positive, add it. There might be multiple adjustment entries, so make sure to account for all of them. One thing that tripped me up initially - ignore the interest and penalty codes (like 160, 161) since those don't affect your AGI calculation. Stick to the 290/291 series for actual tax adjustments. If you're still unsure after getting your Account Transcript, definitely call the IRS to verify - it'll save you from more rejections!
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