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Another option - you could just increase your withholding at work for the remainder of the year instead of making an estimated payment. Just update your W-4 with your employer to withhold an extra amount from each paycheck. The IRS doesn't care HOW you pay as long as you get enough in by the end of the year. This approach spreads it out instead of making one big payment. Plus withholding is considered "even" throughout the year even if you increase it later, which can help avoid underpayment penalties.
That's an interesting idea I hadn't thought of! About how much extra should I have withheld per paycheck if I have, say, 6 more paychecks this year? And do I just put that amount on line 4(c) of the W-4?
Exactly - you'd use line 4(c) on the W-4 for the additional withholding amount. If you need to have $3,750 more withheld (assuming 15% on $25k gains) and have 6 paychecks left, you'd put $625 per paycheck ($3,750 รท 6). The nice thing about this approach is that withholding is treated as if it occurred evenly throughout the year, even if you increase it later on. So it can help you avoid underpayment penalties that might apply with a late estimated payment. Just make sure to resubmit another W-4 for next year to go back to your normal withholding.
Quick tip - when I was in a similar situation, I just took my capital gains amount, multiplied by 25% and paid that as estimated tax. Better to slightly overpay and get a refund than underpay and get penalties!!
Something nobody mentioned yet - if you're not claiming the child as a dependent this year, make sure you check the box in TurboTax that says "Someone else can claim this dependent" when you enter their information. That way the software knows not to claim them on your return even though you're providing their info.
Yeah this is important! I made this mistake last year and both my ex and I claimed our daughter. Created a huge headache with the IRS and we had to amend returns. Double check that box!!
Exactly! That little checkbox makes all the difference. When you check it, TurboTax will still ask all the questions about the child living with you because that information is still relevant for other tax benefits like filing status. But checking that box ensures you won't both claim the same dependent, which would trigger an automatic review from the IRS.
Just wanted to add my experience with this same situation! I have a similar 50/50 custody arrangement with my ex-husband, and we alternate years claiming our son. What I learned from my tax preparer is that you should definitely put 12 months since your daughter lives with you part of every single month. The key thing to remember is that even though you're not claiming her as a dependent this year, answering the "months lived with you" question correctly is still important for other potential tax benefits you might qualify for, like Head of Household filing status if you're eligible. Also, make sure you and your ex both keep good records of your custody arrangement. I keep a simple calendar noting which days our son is with each parent, just in case the IRS ever has questions. It's never been an issue, but it gives me peace of mind knowing I can document our 50/50 split if needed.
Has anyone considered the rules around "step transaction doctrine"? I've heard the IRS can sometimes claim that direct gifts into an IRA could be viewed as trying to exceed contribution limits if done incorrectly. Would it be safer to just give the money to the grandchild's regular account first?
This is such a thoughtful gift! I went through something similar when helping my adult son with his IRA contributions. The key thing to remember is that the IRS looks at two separate things: 1) whether your grandson has enough earned income to support the contribution (which he clearly does at $85K), and 2) whether the contribution stays within the annual limits. Since money is fungible, it doesn't matter that the $7,000 comes from you rather than his paycheck. Once you gift it to him, it becomes his money to contribute. The IRS won't trace the source of funds in his IRA account. One thing I'd add to what others have mentioned - make sure to keep good records of the gift for your own tax purposes, even though it's well under the annual exclusion limit. It's just good practice to document larger gifts in case there are ever questions down the road. Your grandson is lucky to have someone thinking ahead about his retirement savings at such a young age!
Thank you for sharing your experience! As someone new to this topic, I really appreciate hearing from people who've actually been through this process. The point about keeping records is especially helpful - even though the $7,000 is well under the gift limit, documentation seems like a smart practice. I'm curious about the timing aspect - does it matter when during the tax year the gift is made? For example, if I were to help a family member with their IRA contribution, would there be any advantage to gifting the money early in the year versus closer to the tax deadline?
Does anyone know how this works for older children? My son is 16 and he's gotten a job, plus has some investment income from his UTMA. Does having earned income change anything about using UTMA funds to pay the investment taxes?
For a 16-year-old with both earned income and UTMA investment income, you can still use UTMA funds to pay the portion of taxes generated by the UTMA investments. However, you shouldn't use UTMA funds to pay taxes on his earned income from his job - that should come from his earnings. The presence of earned income does complicate the tax return slightly because it can affect how the kiddie tax is calculated. With earned income, your son might need to file his own return rather than having his investment income reported on your return.
This is a great question that comes up more often than you'd think! As others have mentioned, you absolutely can withdraw from your daughter's UTMA account to pay taxes that were generated by the account's earnings. This is considered a legitimate expense for the minor's benefit. One thing I'd add is to make sure you're calculating the tax correctly for a 13-month-old. Since she has no earned income, all of her investment income will be subject to the kiddie tax rules. For 2024, the first $1,300 is tax-free, the next $1,300 is taxed at her rate (likely 10%), and anything over $2,600 gets taxed at your marginal rate. With $4,500 in taxes owed, it sounds like she had some substantial gains! Just double-check that you're not overpaying - sometimes people forget about the standard deduction for unearned income or miscalculate which bracket applies to which portion of the gains. When you make the withdrawal, definitely keep documentation showing it was used specifically for her tax obligation. Most custodial account providers are familiar with these types of withdrawals and shouldn't give you any trouble.
Thanks for the detailed breakdown of the kiddie tax brackets! That's really helpful. I'm actually dealing with a similar situation with my 2-year-old's investment account. One question - when you say "anything over $2,600 gets taxed at your marginal rate," does that mean it gets added to my income for tax purposes, or is it calculated separately but just uses my tax rate? I'm trying to figure out if this will push me into a higher bracket overall.
Zara Khan
According to IRS Publication 5367, when a taxpayer experiences a change in dependent claiming status due to death, the IRS system is programmed to provide additional security measures. Per Internal Revenue Code ยง6109(i), the Identity Protection PIN program is one such measure. I successfully resolved this exact issue for a client last month. After contacting the IRS Identity Verification department, they confirmed this was an automatic security feature. They removed the PIN requirement immediately, and my client's resubmitted return was processed within 72 hours. Their refund was direct deposited exactly 21 days after the accepted resubmission date. The key is getting through to the correct department - specifically request to speak with Identity Verification when you call, not general tax assistance.
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Carmen Reyes
I'm dealing with a very similar situation right now! My return was also rejected for a PIN I never set up, and like you, I'm a first-time TurboTax user this year. After reading through these responses, it sounds like the death of your children's father might indeed be triggering additional IRS security measures. I called the Identity Verification line at 800-830-5084 this morning (thanks to those who shared that number!) and while the wait was long, they were able to confirm that my rejection was also due to automatic fraud protection rather than actual identity theft. The agent explained that significant changes in family status - like what you're experiencing - often trigger these safeguards. One thing I learned: make sure you have your previous year's tax return handy when you call, as they'll ask specific questions about prior filing information to verify your identity. Once cleared, they said I should be able to resubmit within 24-48 hours. Hang in there - it sounds like this is more common than we realize, especially for people in our situations with recent family changes.
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Cedric Chung
โขThank you so much for sharing your experience, Carmen! It's really reassuring to hear from someone going through the exact same situation. I was starting to worry that maybe someone had stolen my identity or that I'd made some major error in my filing. Your point about having the previous year's return ready is super helpful - I'll make sure to gather all my 2023 documents before I call. Did they ask you anything specific about the family status changes, or was it more focused on general tax information from prior years? I'm curious - how long was your wait time this morning? I'm trying to figure out the best time to call to minimize the hold time. With the filing deadline approaching, I imagine it's only going to get busier. Thanks again for the encouragement and practical advice!
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