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Quick question - does the effective tax rate calculation include state taxes too? My marginal federal rate is 22% but my state adds another 6%. Should I be looking at combined effective rate or keep them separate?
You can calculate them either way, but I personally find it more useful to calculate them separately. Federal and state taxes have different deductions and exemptions, so combining them can obscure which changes would affect which tax burden. Plus, state taxes are deductible in some situations if you itemize, which further complicates a combined calculation.
Great question! I think you're getting hung up on the mechanics when the real value of effective tax rate is in decision-making. Your calculation is absolutely correct - you'll owe about $3,424.50 in federal taxes. But here's why effective rate matters: it tells you that you're only paying 7.9% of your total income in taxes, not the 12% that your tax bracket suggests. This distinction becomes crucial when you're making financial decisions. For instance, if someone offers you a $2,000 bonus, you might think "oh no, that's taxed at 12%" and worry about owing $240. But in reality, that bonus only increases your effective rate slightly (from 7.9% to about 8.2%), and your overall tax burden remains much lower than that 12% bracket would suggest. Understanding your effective rate helps you see the bigger picture of your tax situation and avoid the common mistake of thinking all your income gets taxed at your highest bracket rate.
This is such a helpful way to think about it! I never realized how much the effective rate changes my perspective on additional income. I've been turning down freelance work because I thought it would all be taxed at my marginal rate of 24%, but if my effective rate is only around 16%, I'm actually leaving a lot of money on the table. Do you have any recommendations for tools or calculators that can help me model different income scenarios to see how they'd impact my effective rate throughout the year?
3 I've been betting on sports apps for years and honestly never filed in other states. Just reported everything on my home state return. No issues so far, but sounds like I might be doing it wrong?
8 Technically yes, but realistically the states probably won't come after you unless you had major winnings. The sportsbooks are required to issue W-2Gs for large payouts (usually over $600) though, and those get reported to tax authorities.
This is a really complex area that trips up a lot of people! Based on what I've seen, you're right to be concerned about proper reporting. Generally, you do need to file non-resident returns in states where you were physically present when placing winning bets, regardless of whether it was through an app or at a physical location. The key factor is your physical location when the bet was placed, not where the sportsbook is licensed. However, there are some practical considerations that might help: 1. Many states have minimum filing thresholds for non-residents (often $1,000-$2,500) 2. You'll get credit on your PA return for taxes paid to other states to avoid double taxation 3. Some of your out-of-state winnings might fall below reporting thresholds For your $8,500 in winnings, I'd recommend getting the location data from each sportsbook (most can provide this if requested) and checking each state's non-resident filing requirements. You might find that you only need to file in 1-2 states rather than all of them. The "state sourcing" question in your tax software is asking exactly this - where the income was earned geographically. Don't guess on this one since the penalties for incorrect state filing can add up quickly.
This is really helpful advice! I'm in a similar situation but have been putting off dealing with it. When you mention getting location data from sportsbooks, how exactly do you request that? Do you just call customer service or is there a specific form? Also, do you know if the state tax credits are automatic when filing or do you have to manually calculate and claim them? I'm worried about making errors since this is my first year dealing with multi-state gambling income.
I totally get your anxiety about this message! I've been through this exact scenario twice in the past few years and it's nerve-wracking every time. That "return under review" status is actually more common than you'd think - the IRS processes millions of returns and a significant portion go through some level of review. From my experience, this message usually appears when they're doing routine verification checks - things like cross-referencing your W2s with what employers reported, or making sure your deductions align with their databases. It's not necessarily a red flag that something's wrong. That said, definitely keep an eye on your mail over the next 2-3 weeks. If they do need something from you, the notice will be pretty specific about what documents or clarification they're looking for. In my cases, one time it resolved on its own after about 12 days, and another time I got a simple CP12 notice asking me to verify my identity online (took like 5 minutes). The waiting sucks but try not to stress too much - most of these reviews end up being routine processing delays rather than actual problems with your return. Keep checking periodically but don't drive yourself crazy with daily app refreshes! π
This is really helpful, thanks! @Felix Grigori It s'reassuring to hear from someone who s'actually been through this before. I think I m'definitely guilty of the daily app refreshing thing π The not knowing what they re'specifically reviewing is what gets to me the most. I filed pretty straightforward - just W2s and standard deduction - so hopefully it s'just one of those routine checks you mentioned. Really appreciate you sharing your experience, it helps calm the nerves a bit!
I've been in the exact same situation and completely understand the anxiety! Got that same message word-for-word about 6 months ago and was convinced something was wrong with my filing. Turns out it was just a routine income verification - the IRS was cross-checking my reported income with what my employer submitted. The whole process took about 16 days total before my refund was approved and processed. Never got a notice in the mail, it just updated one day to "refund approved" and I had my money within a week after that. What helped me stay sane during the wait was remembering that the IRS processes over 150 million returns each year, and a huge percentage get this review status. Most of the time it's just their systems doing automated checks to make sure everything matches up in their databases. Try to avoid checking the app more than once every few days if you can - I was refreshing it multiple times daily and it just made the waiting worse! The status will update when there's actual news to report. Hang in there! πͺ
Thanks for sharing your experience @Amara Nwosu! It's so reassuring to hear that it resolved without needing any additional documentation from you. I think I needed to hear that the majority of these reviews are just automated system checks rather than actual red flags. 16 days feels manageable when you put it in perspective of 150+ million returns being processed! I'm definitely guilty of the obsessive app checking too - going to try to limit myself to maybe once every couple days like you suggested. Really appreciate everyone sharing their stories here, makes this whole waiting game feel less isolating! π
On March 15, 2024, I successfully challenged a similar offset by proving an accounting error. Instead of disputing the entire offset, focus on verifying the exact amount. On January 22, I requested a full accounting from my state agency, which revealed they hadn't credited four payments made between October 3 and December 28 last year. If you can't stop the offset entirely, you might qualify for a hardship reduction under the Consumer Credit Protection Act if the offset exceeds 65% of your disposable income. This won't eliminate the offset but could reduce the amount taken.
Based on my experience with Treasury Offset Program disputes, here are the key points to understand: **Yes, you can contest it, but success depends on specific circumstances:** β’ **Grounds for successful challenges:** Accounting errors, payments not properly credited, identity mix-ups, or incorrect debt amounts β’ **What typically WON'T work:** Simply being on a payment plan or claiming financial hardship (unlike student loans) β’ **Time is critical:** Most states have 30-65 day windows from the offset notice date **Your action plan should be:** 1. Request your complete payment history and debt calculation from your state's child support enforcement agency 2. Cross-reference this with your own payment records (bank statements, receipts, money order stubs) 3. If you find discrepancies, file a written administrative review request immediately 4. Document everything with dates, reference numbers, and contact names **Form 8379 note:** This injured spouse relief form won't help with child support offsets - it's specifically for when your spouse's debt causes your refund to be taken. The reality is that child support offsets have fewer escape routes than other types of debt offsets, but if there's a legitimate error in the amount owed or payment crediting, you have a fighting chance. Focus on the numbers and documentation rather than circumstances.
This is really helpful information! As someone new to this community and the US tax system, I appreciate how clearly you've outlined the process. One quick question - when you mention requesting the "complete payment history and debt calculation" from the state agency, is there a specific form or process for this request? I want to make sure I'm asking for the right documentation when I contact them. Also, do you know if states typically charge fees for providing these records?
Darren Brooks
Welcome to the expat tax world! I've been living in the UAE for 3 years now and went through the exact same confusion when I first moved. The advice here is spot-on - you'll definitely need to file US returns annually regardless of your dual citizenship status. One additional thing to consider: since you're moving to a zero-tax jurisdiction like Saudi Arabia, you won't have any foreign taxes to credit against your US liability. This makes the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion even more valuable for you compared to expats in high-tax countries who might benefit more from the Foreign Tax Credit. Also, start thinking about your banking situation now. Many US banks will close accounts for expats due to compliance issues, so you might want to research expat-friendly banks or credit unions before you move. And definitely keep a US address (family/friend) for banking and IRS correspondence - a lot of financial institutions require it. The learning curve is steep but manageable once you get the hang of the annual filing requirements. Good luck with the move!
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Diego FernΓ‘ndez
β’This is really helpful advice, especially about the banking situation! I hadn't even thought about US banks potentially closing my accounts. Do you have any specific recommendations for expat-friendly banks or credit unions? Also, when you mention keeping a US address for correspondence, does that need to be my official address on file with the IRS, or can I use my Saudi address for tax purposes but keep the US address just for banking?
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Jamal Anderson
This thread has been incredibly helpful! As someone who's been considering a similar move to the Middle East for work, I'm realizing there are so many tax implications I hadn't considered. @Daniel Price - one thing I'd add to all the great advice here is to consider getting professional help for at least your first filing as an expat. The learning curve is steep and the penalties for missing required forms (like FBAR or Form 8938 for foreign financial assets) can be severe. Even if you use one of the AI tools mentioned, having a tax professional review everything the first year can give you peace of mind. Also, since you're moving so soon, make sure to notify the IRS of your address change using Form 8822 once you're settled in Saudi Arabia. This ensures you receive any important correspondence at your new address abroad. The dual citizenship aspect really doesn't change your US tax obligations at all - the US taxes based on citizenship, not residency. But the silver lining is that with Saudi's zero income tax and your salary being under the FEIE threshold, you'll likely owe no US taxes while still maintaining compliance. Just don't forget about the filing requirements!
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Vincent Bimbach
β’@Jamal Anderson makes an excellent point about getting professional help for the first year! I just went through my first expat tax filing and can t'stress enough how complex it gets with all the different forms and requirements. One thing I learned the hard way is that the FBAR filing deadline is different from your regular tax return deadline April (15 vs October 15 ,)and there s'no extension available for FBAR. Missing that deadline can result in some pretty hefty penalties even if you don t'owe any actual taxes. @Daniel Price - since you re starting'this journey, I d also'recommend keeping a detailed log of your travel dates in and out of the US and Saudi Arabia. This becomes crucial for proving the Physical Presence Test if the IRS ever questions your FEIE claim. A simple spreadsheet with entry/exit dates and flight confirmations can save you a lot of headaches down the road. The dual citizenship thing was confusing for me too initially, but as everyone has mentioned, the US just doesn t care'about your other citizenships when it comes to tax obligations. Welcome to the expat life!
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