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NeonNebula

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Great question! As a small business owner myself, I went through this exact confusion when I started. Square Payroll does report to the IRS, but there are some important nuances depending on how you're set up. Since you mentioned you're running a home bakery and you're the only "employee" right now, you'll want to clarify your business structure first. If you're a sole proprietor paying yourself through Square as a contractor (1099-NEC), Square will report those payments to the IRS, BUT you'll still need to file Schedule C to report your total business income and expenses - this includes income from sources beyond just what you pay yourself through Square. If you've set yourself up as a W-2 employee of your own business, Square will handle payroll taxes and report your wages, but again, you'd still need to report the business's overall income and expenses. The key thing to remember is that Square reports what they process, but as the business owner, you're responsible for reporting ALL your business income (even cash sales, other payment processors, etc.) and claiming your business deductions. Square's reporting is just one piece of your overall tax picture. I'd recommend downloading copies of any tax forms Square generates during their review period and keeping detailed records of all your business income and expenses separate from what flows through Square Payroll.

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Payton Black

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This is exactly the kind of comprehensive breakdown I needed! Thank you for explaining the difference between what Square reports versus what I'm still responsible for as the business owner. I think I've been assuming that if Square handles the payroll reporting, I'm completely covered tax-wise, but clearly that's not the case. I'm pretty sure I'm set up as a sole proprietor (I never incorporated or anything), so it sounds like I'll definitely need to file Schedule C regardless of what Square reports. The part about keeping track of ALL business income beyond just Square is really important - I do take some cash payments at farmers markets that obviously wouldn't go through Square's system. One follow-up question: when you mention "downloading copies of tax forms during their review period" - where exactly do I find that in Square? I want to make sure I'm not missing any deadlines for reviewing what they're about to submit to the IRS.

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For Square's tax form review process, you'll typically get email notifications when forms are ready for review (usually in late January for W-2s and 1099s). You can also check in your Square Dashboard under "Payroll" > "Tax Documents" - there's usually a section for "Year-end forms" where you can preview everything before it gets filed. The review period is usually about 2-3 weeks in January before Square submits to the IRS, so mark your calendar! During this time, you can catch any errors like the 1099 issue @James Johnson mentioned. Since you're sole proprietor taking cash at farmers markets, definitely track that income separately - I use a simple spreadsheet with date, amount, and source. That cash income goes on your Schedule C but obviously won't show up in Square's reporting. The IRS expects you to report ALL business income, not just what flows through processors. One more tip: if you do hire part-time help next year, get clear on worker classification BEFORE you start paying them. The IRS has a 20-factor test for employee vs contractor status, and getting it wrong can mean back taxes and penalties. Better to set it up correctly from the start!

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Ethan Wilson

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This is incredibly helpful! I had no idea about the review period in January - I definitely would have missed that without your heads up. I'm going to set a reminder right now to check my Square dashboard in late January for those year-end forms. Your point about the 20-factor test for employee vs contractor classification is something I hadn't even thought about yet, but since I'm hoping to hire someone for busy seasons next year, I should probably research that now rather than scramble later. Do you happen to know if there are any good resources for understanding those factors, or is it one of those things where I should just consult with an accountant before hiring anyone? The spreadsheet idea for tracking cash sales is perfect too - I've been pretty casual about recording those farmers market sales, but clearly I need to get more organized if I want to avoid problems down the road. Thanks for taking the time to share all these practical tips!

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Olivia Evans

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I've been following this discussion with great interest since I'm in a very similar boat - took a beating on tech stocks in my IRA over the past couple years. What I've found helpful is treating this as a learning opportunity to build a more robust investment strategy going forward. One thing that's been on my mind reading through these responses: while we're all focused on the wash sale rules (which as others have clarified, aren't really an issue when selling IRA losses and buying in taxable accounts), I think the bigger opportunity here is using this rebalancing moment to implement better risk management practices. For instance, I've started using a core-satellite approach where I keep broad market index funds as my "core" holdings in both accounts, then limit my "satellite" speculative plays to a much smaller percentage that I can afford to lose. Wish I had done that before loading up on individual growth stocks and thematic ETFs! The silver lining of going through this painful experience relatively early in our investment timelines is that we still have decades to compound our way back. Plus, we're less likely to make the same concentration mistakes again. Sometimes the most expensive lessons are also the most valuable ones for long-term success.

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The core-satellite approach you mentioned is brilliant! I wish I had known about that strategy before diving headfirst into speculative tech plays with such a large portion of my IRA. Your point about limiting satellite plays to amounts you can afford to lose really hits home - I definitely got caught up in the FOMO during the tech run-up and forgot basic risk management principles. I'm curious about how you're implementing this now - what percentage are you allocating to your "core" broad market holdings versus the "satellite" speculative positions? I'm thinking of doing something like 80/20 or maybe even 90/10 split given how badly my concentrated bets turned out. You're absolutely right about these expensive lessons being valuable in the long run. As painful as it is to see those losses, I'd rather learn about proper portfolio construction now with 30+ years to recover than make these same mistakes closer to retirement when the time horizon is much shorter. Thanks for sharing your perspective - it's comforting to know others are working through similar situations and coming out with better strategies!

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Grace Lee

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This whole discussion has been incredibly helpful! As someone who also got burned on tech stocks in my IRA, I really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences and knowledge about wash sale rules. The clarification that selling at a loss in an IRA and then buying similar investments in a taxable account doesn't trigger wash sale issues is exactly what I needed to hear. I've been paralyzed for months trying to figure out the tax implications of rebalancing between my accounts. What really resonates with me is the point several people made about treating this as a learning opportunity rather than just focusing on recovering losses. I think I'm going to adopt that core-satellite approach that was mentioned - probably starting with a 90/10 split given how badly my concentrated tech bets performed. It's also reassuring to remember that with decades until retirement, we have plenty of time for these losses to become just a small footnote in our investment journeys. Sometimes you need to hear that from others who've been through similar situations. Thanks to everyone for sharing their insights and experiences!

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I'm going through something similar right now! My divorce was finalized in August and I remarried in December. My ex keeps insisting we can both file as "married filing separately" since we were married for most of the year, but everything I've read says that's wrong. Reading through all these responses has been super helpful - especially hearing from the tax preparer that this is a common situation. The December 31st rule seems pretty straightforward when you put it that way. I think I'm going to try that Claimyr service someone mentioned to get direct confirmation from the IRS, since my ex won't listen to anything that doesn't come from an "official" source. Has anyone else dealt with a stubborn ex who just won't accept they need to file as single? Any tips for getting through to them without it turning into a huge argument?

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Mei Liu

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I totally understand your frustration! My ex was the same way - wouldn't accept anything unless it came directly from the IRS. What finally worked for me was getting official documentation that I could show them in writing. Since you mentioned trying Claimyr, that's actually a great idea for getting that "official" confirmation your ex needs. When I used it, the IRS agent not only confirmed the December 31st rule but also explained that if your ex files incorrectly, it could delay their refund and potentially trigger penalties. Having that conversation recorded (they provide a summary) gave me something concrete to share. Another approach that helped was framing it as "I want to make sure we both file correctly so neither of us has problems with the IRS" rather than "you're wrong." Sometimes it's just about how you present the information. Good luck - hopefully your ex comes around once they hear it from an official source!

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I'm dealing with a very similar situation and this thread has been incredibly helpful! My divorce was finalized in July and I remarried in October. My ex has been adamant that we can both file as "married filing separately" because we were married for over half the year. After reading all these responses, especially from the tax preparer, I'm confident that we both need to understand the December 31st rule. It's actually pretty simple when you think about it - the IRS just looks at your status on the last day of the year, period. What really helped me was printing out IRS Publication 501 that someone mentioned earlier. It clearly states that if you're divorced under a final decree by December 31st, you're considered unmarried for the entire tax year. Having that official documentation in writing made a huge difference when discussing it with my ex. For anyone still dealing with a stubborn ex-spouse, I'd recommend getting that publication and highlighting the relevant sections. Sometimes people just need to see it in official IRS language to believe it. The key is approaching it as "let's both make sure we file correctly" rather than making it confrontational.

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Paolo Ricci

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This exact same thing happened to me last year and I was so confused! SBTPG is totally legit - they're the company that processes refunds when you chose to have your tax prep fees deducted from your refund instead of paying upfront. What happens is the IRS sends your full refund to SBTPG first, then they take out the tax software fees plus their own processing fee (usually around $35-40), and then deposit the remainder to your account. That's why you got less than expected and why the timing is different from your DDD. It's actually pretty common for SBTPG deposits to hit a few days before the official direct deposit date. You should be all set - this is your actual refund, just processed through the third party!

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This is super helpful! I'm new to all this tax stuff and was worried something was wrong when I saw a different company name on my deposit. Good to know the timing can be different too - I was wondering why it came before my DDD. Thanks for breaking it down so clearly!

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This happened to me too and I was panicking! SBTPG is completely normal - they're the third-party processor that handles your refund when you choose to pay tax prep fees out of your refund. The IRS sends your full refund to them first, they deduct the tax software fees plus their own service fee (usually $35-40), then send you the rest. That's why your amount is less than expected. The timing can be different from your official DDD because SBTPG processes on their own schedule. I actually got my SBTPG deposit 3 days before my listed DDD last year. You should be all good - this is your real refund, just processed through the middleman you agreed to when filing!

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Landon Morgan

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Thanks for sharing your experience! It's reassuring to hear from someone who went through the same thing. I was definitely panicking when I saw a random company name instead of "IRS" on my deposit. Good to know the timing difference is normal too - I was worried something was wrong with my refund processing. This whole thread has been super helpful for understanding how this all works!

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As someone who's been doing delivery driving for a while, I'd suggest starting simple for your first year. Track your phone usage for a typical week or two to establish a baseline business percentage - don't just guess. For a $1350 iPhone used part-time for deliveries, you're probably looking at somewhere between 20-40% business use realistically. The key is being able to defend your percentage if questioned. Keep records of your delivery hours, and consider that business use includes not just active delivery time but also time spent checking for orders, navigating, and communicating with customers. For TurboTax, you'll enter this on Schedule C under "Other expenses" and create a line item for "Cell phone (business portion)". The software will walk you through whether to depreciate or take the immediate deduction based on your usage percentage. One tip: don't forget you can also deduct things like a phone mount for your car, charging cables you use while driving, and even a portion of your phone case if you bought it specifically for delivery work protection. These smaller items add up!

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This is really helpful advice, especially about tracking usage for a realistic baseline. I'm curious though - when you say business use includes time checking for orders, how do you separate that from just regular phone scrolling? Like if I'm sitting at home with the app open but also texting friends, does that count as business time? And for the phone mount and accessories, do those get depreciated too or can you just deduct them outright since they're smaller purchases?

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Great question about phone deductions! Just wanted to add a few practical tips from my experience doing gig work taxes: For tracking business vs personal use, I recommend keeping it simple but defensible. When you're actively logged into the delivery app and available for orders, that's clearly business time - even if you're multitasking with personal stuff. The IRS understands that modern phones are used for multiple purposes simultaneously. A reasonable approach is to calculate total hours you were "on shift" (logged into UberEats and available) versus total phone usage time. You don't need to track every minute perfectly, but having some logical basis helps. For your iPhone, since you only worked Oct-Dec 2024, make sure to prorate the deduction for partial year use. So if you calculate 30% business use, you'd take 30% of the phone cost, then multiply by 3/12 (the portion of the year you were working). Also remember that the monthly payments you're making can be deducted as they're paid, using the same business percentage. So each month you make a payment, you can deduct the business portion of that payment. Keep good records and be conservative but reasonable with your estimates. The IRS expects some judgment calls with mixed-use items like phones.

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This is exactly the kind of clear, practical advice I was looking for! The partial year proration is something I hadn't even thought about - so if I worked 3 months out of 12, I'd take my business percentage and then multiply by 25%? That makes total sense. One follow-up question: when you say the monthly payments can be deducted as they're paid, does that mean I can deduct part of my monthly phone payment (the financing part) AND part of my monthly service plan, or would that be double-dipping somehow? I want to make sure I'm not accidentally claiming the same expense twice. Also, for record keeping, would screenshots of my UberEats earnings summary showing my active hours be sufficient documentation, or do I need something more detailed?

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