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Isaac Wright

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I've been farming for 15 years and have used Section 179 multiple times for equipment purchases. Your math looks solid, but I'd add a few practical considerations from my experience: First, make sure you have enough taxable income to absorb the full deduction this year. Section 179 can't create a loss - it can only reduce your taxable income to zero. Any unused portion carries forward, but you lose the immediate cash flow benefit. Second, consider timing. If you're having a particularly good income year, this could be perfect. But if your farm income is variable (like most of ours), you might want to think about spreading the deduction across multiple years using regular depreciation instead. Also, don't forget about state taxes. Some states don't follow federal Section 179 rules exactly, so you might need to make adjustments on your state return. One last thing - if you're planning any major changes to your operation in the next few years (retirement, selling land, changing crops), factor in the recapture rules mentioned by others. I've seen farmers get caught off guard by this when they transition their operations.

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Lara Woods

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This is incredibly helpful advice, especially about timing and state tax considerations! I hadn't thought about the state tax implications - do you know if most states have similar weight requirements for qualifying vehicles, or do they vary significantly? Also, when you mention spreading the deduction across multiple years, are you referring to just using regular MACRS depreciation instead of Section 179, or is there another strategy I should consider?

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Great questions! State tax rules do vary quite a bit - some states like California have lower Section 179 limits, while others mirror federal rules exactly. I'd definitely check with a local tax pro who knows your state's specific requirements. As for spreading the deduction, yes - you can choose regular MACRS depreciation instead of Section 179. With MACRS, you'd depreciate the truck over 5 years (20%, 32%, 19.2%, 11.52%, 11.52%, 5.76% each year) plus still get bonus depreciation on top in year one if it's available. Sometimes this works better if your income fluctuates a lot between years. Another strategy I've used is taking partial Section 179 - you don't have to claim the full amount available. So you might take $40K in Section 179 this year and depreciate the remaining $45K normally. This gives you flexibility to optimize based on your specific income situation. The key is running the numbers for your particular circumstances rather than just maximizing the current year deduction.

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StarSeeker

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One important detail I haven't seen mentioned yet - make sure you're aware of the Section 179 income limitation. The deduction can't exceed your taxable income from all active trades or businesses for the year. So if your farm shows a $40K profit but you have $20K in losses from another business activity, your Section 179 deduction would be limited to $20K, not the full amount you calculated. Also, since you mentioned this is a family farm, be careful about the definition of "business use" if family members occasionally use the vehicle. The IRS can be pretty strict about personal vs. business use, especially for vehicles. I'd recommend setting up a formal policy about who can use the truck and for what purposes, and document it well. One more thing - with an $85K purchase, you're getting into the range where the IRS might take a closer look. Make sure you have solid documentation not just for the purchase itself, but also showing how this vehicle is necessary for your specific farming operations. Being able to demonstrate that you need this particular truck (versus a less expensive option) for legitimate business reasons will strengthen your position if questioned.

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Lucas Adams

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This is really valuable insight about the income limitation - I hadn't considered how losses from other business activities could affect my Section 179 deduction. Since you mentioned family farms specifically, I'm curious about something: if I set up that formal policy for vehicle use, should it be something written and signed by family members, or is a simple documented policy sufficient? Also, regarding demonstrating necessity for the $85K truck versus a cheaper option, what kind of documentation works best? I'm thinking things like payload requirements for hauling feed, towing capacity for equipment trailers, or terrain conditions that require 4WD - would those be the types of business justifications the IRS looks for?

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Just wanted to share a quick update on using the Master File approach - I called the Practitioner Priority Service this morning using the exact language everyone mentioned ("Master File archived wage data for pre-2013 records") and it worked perfectly! Got transferred directly to Account Management Services where the agent immediately understood what I needed. She explained that their legacy IDRS system maintains wage records going back to 2005, but requires special routing codes that aren't available through normal transcript channels. She processed my request for 2011-2012 records and gave me reference number AMS-2025-47291 with an estimated 10-14 business day turnaround. The agent also mentioned something interesting - if you have clients who worked for federal agencies or military during those older years, those records are maintained in an entirely separate system and may require different procedures. She suggested specifying "federal employment records" if that applies to avoid additional delays. Thanks to everyone in this thread for sharing the real procedures that actually work. It's incredible how much time we waste following the standard published guidance when the solutions are hiding in these undocumented departmental processes. Hoping this helps others who are still struggling with similar cases!

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Omar Fawaz

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This is such great news! I'm so glad the Master File approach worked for you too. It's really validating to see multiple people in this thread confirm that this method actually gets results when the standard processes fail completely. Your point about federal employment and military records needing different procedures is really valuable - I have a client who was in the Navy during part of 2011-2012, so I'll definitely mention "federal employment records" when I call. It makes sense that government employment would be tracked in yet another separate system from regular civilian wage records. The reference number format you shared (AMS-2025-47291) is helpful too - it confirms we're all getting routed to the same legitimate department rather than some random IRS unit that may or may not be able to help. I'm planning to call tomorrow morning for my client's 2010-2013 records. This thread has been absolutely invaluable for learning these "insider" procedures that somehow never make it into any official IRS publications. Thanks for paying it forward by sharing your successful experience!

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Mei Chen

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This thread has been absolutely incredible - thank you everyone for sharing these real-world solutions! I've been struggling with a similar case (client with 13 years unfiled, needing 2011-2014 transcripts) and had basically given up hope after months of getting nowhere with standard Form 4506-T requests. The Master File approach through Account Management Services sounds like exactly what I need to try. I love how specific everyone has been about the exact language to use ("Master File archived wage data") and the reference number formats - it gives me confidence I'll be talking to the right people instead of getting bounced around endlessly. One question for those who've successfully used this method - have you found any particular days of the week or times of day when it's easier to get through to the Practitioner Priority Service line? I'm planning to call first thing Monday morning, but wondering if there are optimal times to avoid long hold periods. Also really appreciate the tips about checking former employers directly and state tax records as backup options. It's smart to have multiple approaches since even the Master File method might not work for every situation. This community knowledge-sharing is so much more valuable than any official IRS guidance I've seen!

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Fyi this happened to me with a relocation package too. Here's what I learned: the "special accounting rule" is something employers can elect to use, BUT they have to consistently apply it to all employees. Also, the benefit has to be "provided" in Nov/Dec - the date they paid the invoice doesn't matter, it's when you received the service.

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Beth Ford

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That's interesting about the consistency requirement. So if they didn't apply this rule to other employees who relocated earlier in the year, they can't selectively apply it just in some cases?

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Dylan Cooper

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Your instincts are absolutely correct - they can't apply the special accounting rule to benefits provided in August/September. The rule specifically states benefits must be "provided" in the last two months of the year, not just paid for then. I'd recommend documenting everything: your original move date, when your belongings arrived, any communications about the relocation timeline. Then send a formal written request to HR citing IRS Pub 15-B and requesting they issue a corrected 2023 W-2. If they refuse, you have options. You can file Form 4852 with your 2023 return to report the correct amount, or contact the IRS directly for guidance. Don't let them push this to 2024 just because it's easier for their accounting - you'll end up paying tax on income you should have reported last year, potentially affecting your tax brackets and other calculations.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm dealing with something similar where my employer is trying to delay reporting some benefits. Quick question - when you mention "affecting your tax brackets and other calculations," what specific impacts should I be worried about? I want to make sure I understand all the potential consequences before I push back with HR.

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Yara Khoury

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I went through this exact situation two years ago with a $38,000 critical illness payout from my employer's plan. Like you, I paid premiums with pre-tax dollars, and my initial tax preparer (also at H&R Block, coincidentally) told me the entire payout was tax-free. Something didn't sit right with me, so I did my own research and discovered what everyone here is confirming - when you pay premiums with pre-tax dollars, the benefits are typically taxable income. I ended up switching to a CPA who specialized in employee benefits taxation, and she confirmed that I owed taxes on the full amount. The frustrating part was that H&R Block never asked me HOW the premiums were paid - they just assumed it was tax-free because it was "insurance." That's a dangerous assumption that could have cost me thousands in penalties and interest if the IRS had caught it later. My advice: get everything in writing from H&R Block explaining their reasoning, then take that to a second tax professional for review. Don't let them file your return until you're 100% confident in the tax treatment. The IRS doesn't care what H&R Block told you - you're ultimately responsible for accurate reporting on your return. For what it's worth, even after paying taxes on my payout, I was still grateful to have had the critical illness coverage. But I definitely learned to be more skeptical of chain tax services when dealing with complex situations like employer-sponsored insurance benefits.

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Your experience really highlights how important it is to question tax preparers when something doesn't feel right. It's concerning that H&R Block didn't even ask about how your premiums were paid - that's literally the most crucial piece of information for determining taxability! I'm curious - when you switched to the CPA, did they help you identify any portion of the payout that could be excluded based on medical expenses? Or did you end up owing taxes on the full $38,000? I'm trying to understand if there's any realistic hope of reducing the taxable amount or if I should just plan on reporting the entire $47,000 as income. Also, did you end up having to file an amended return, or were you able to catch this before your original return was submitted? I'm still early enough in the process that I can make changes, but I want to understand what I might be looking at if this drags out. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's really helpful to hear from someone who went through the exact same situation with the same tax service making the same mistake!

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Yara Sayegh

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I'm a tax attorney who specializes in employee benefits, and I need to strongly reinforce what the experienced tax preparer said earlier - H&R Block is absolutely giving you incorrect advice that could result in serious consequences. The tax treatment of critical illness insurance benefits is governed by IRC Section 104(a)(3) and related regulations. When premiums are paid with pre-tax employer dollars (or employee pre-tax payroll deductions), the benefits are taxable income under Section 61. This is settled law, not a gray area. H&R Block's mistake likely stems from confusing critical illness insurance with health insurance reimbursements (which are generally tax-free) or with policies where premiums are paid with after-tax dollars. But the source of premium payments is absolutely critical for determining taxability. Here's what you need to do immediately: 1. Request written documentation from H&R Block citing the specific tax code sections supporting their position 2. Get your employer's benefits department to provide written confirmation of how premiums were handled (pre-tax vs. after-tax) 3. Consider consulting with a CPA or tax attorney who has experience with employer-sponsored insurance benefits The IRS has been increasingly focused on unreported income from insurance payouts. With a $47,000 benefit, you're looking at potential tax liability in the range of $10,000-15,000 depending on your bracket, plus penalties and interest if caught later. Don't risk it based on questionable advice from a chain tax service. If you need definitive guidance, consider requesting a private letter ruling from the IRS for your specific situation, though this may be overkill given how clear the law is on pre-tax premium situations.

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This legal perspective is incredibly valuable and frankly quite alarming. The fact that you're citing specific IRC sections really drives home how clear-cut this situation actually is, despite H&R Block's insistence otherwise. Your point about requesting written documentation from H&R Block citing specific tax code sections is brilliant - I bet they won't be able to provide it because there isn't any support for their position. If they can't back up their advice with actual law, that should be a huge red flag. The potential tax liability range you mentioned ($10,000-15,000) is sobering but helps me understand what I'm really risking by following H&R Block's advice. That's a substantial amount of money in penalties and interest if the IRS catches this later, and as you noted, they're apparently focusing more on unreported insurance income. I'm definitely going to follow your action plan - getting everything documented from both H&R Block and my employer's benefits department before making any decisions. The private letter ruling option is interesting, though you're probably right that it's overkill given how established the law seems to be. Thank you for providing such specific legal guidance. It's exactly what I needed to understand the seriousness of this situation and take appropriate action.

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Another option that saved me when ID.me was being impossible - if you have a local IRS Taxpayer Assistance Center (TAC), you can make an appointment and get your transcripts printed on the spot. No ID.me needed! Just bring photo ID and proof of address. Use the IRS office locator online to find one near you. I know it's old school but sometimes going in person cuts through all the digital BS. Also, pro tip: if you call ID.me support, ask to speak with a "tier 2" agent - they have more authority to actually fix account issues vs the first level support who can only reset passwords and stuff.

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This is super helpful! I had no idea you could ask for a tier 2 agent - I've been stuck talking to people who basically just read scripts at me. And the TAC office idea is brilliant too. Sometimes the old school way really is the best way when all the tech fails us. Definitely going to try both of these approaches. Thanks for sharing what actually worked! šŸ’Ŗ

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Avery Davis

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Had this exact same issue a few months back and it was maddening! Here's what finally got me through: First, definitely try that phone number Oliver mentioned but call right at 8am EST when they open - I got through in about 20 minutes vs the 3+ hour waits later in the day. Second, while you're waiting for ID.me to sort itself out, you can still get your transcripts other ways. The IRS2Go mobile app lets you check basic refund status without ID.me, and you can request transcripts by mail using Form 4506-T (just takes about a week). Also, if you're on Twitter/X, try messaging @IDmeSupport - their social media team actually responds way faster than email support. Hang in there, it's frustrating but you'll get through it! šŸ¤ž

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