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As a tax preparer who's seen this exact scenario play out many times, I want to emphasize something that's been touched on but deserves more attention: the IRS has gotten much more sophisticated at detecting these patterns through automated systems. What you're describing - transferring assets just under the Kiddie Tax threshold to multiple children followed by quick sales - is essentially a textbook example of what their algorithms flag for review. Even if everything is technically legal, you're setting yourself up for scrutiny that's just not worth the minimal tax savings. I've had three clients in the past two years who tried variations of this strategy. All three ended up spending more on professional fees during their audits than they saved in taxes. The IRS agents specifically mentioned that custodial account activity is one of their focus areas right now. If you're really looking to reduce your tax burden while helping your kids, consider more straightforward approaches: 529 plans (as mentioned), direct educational expense payments (which don't count against gift limits), or even just holding the investments until you qualify for long-term capital gains rates. Sometimes the most boring strategy is also the smartest one.

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This is really eye-opening information about the IRS algorithms flagging these patterns. As someone new to this community, I'm wondering - are there any other "clever" tax strategies that seem legitimate on the surface but are actually red flags for audits? It sounds like the key takeaway is that if something feels like you're trying to outsmart the system, it's probably not worth the risk. The peace of mind from using established, IRS-approved methods like 529 plans seems much more valuable than saving a few hundred dollars while risking an audit. Thank you to everyone who shared their real experiences - both the successes and the cautionary tales. This thread has been incredibly educational for someone just starting to think about tax optimization strategies.

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Zane Gray

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New member here, but this discussion has been incredibly valuable as I was considering a very similar strategy for my two kids. The warning about IRS algorithms specifically flagging custodial account patterns is exactly what I needed to hear. I'm curious about one thing that hasn't been fully addressed - for those who mentioned 529 plans as the better alternative, are there any downsides to be aware of? I know the money has to be used for qualified education expenses, but what happens if my kids decide not to go to college or get full scholarships? Also, @CosmicCruiser mentioned that direct educational expense payments don't count against gift limits - could you elaborate on how that works? Does that mean I could pay tuition directly to the school without it counting against the annual gift tax exclusion? Thanks for saving me from what would have clearly been a mistake. Sometimes the "too good to be true" strategies really are just that.

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I went through something similar last year with about $8k in back taxes from some 1099 work. After doing a ton of research, I ended up handling it myself and it was way easier than I expected. The key thing is to not panic - the IRS actually wants to work with you if you're proactive. I called their main number early in the morning (around 7 AM when they opened) and got through in about 45 minutes. The agent was actually really helpful and walked me through setting up a 60-month payment plan. One thing I learned is that you can request "first-time penalty abatement" if you've been compliant in previous years. This can wipe out a big chunk of the penalties (not the actual tax owed, but the penalty fees). For me, this saved about $1,200. My advice: try the DIY route first. If you get stuck or overwhelmed, then consider getting help. But for a straightforward situation like yours, you can probably handle it yourself and save thousands in fees.

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This is really encouraging to hear! I've been so stressed about this whole situation, but your experience makes it seem much more manageable. I had no idea about the first-time penalty abatement - that could save me a lot of money too since I've been filing on time for years before this mess. Quick question - when you called at 7 AM, was that their regular customer service line or a specific tax debt line? I want to make sure I'm calling the right number to get someone who can actually help with payment plans. Also, did you need to have all your financial information ready when you called, or could you set up the payment plan first and provide details later?

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I called the main IRS customer service line (1-800-829-1040) - they can handle payment plan setups directly. The key is calling right when they open at 7 AM because that's when you have the best chance of getting through without waiting hours. You'll want to have your basic financial info ready - monthly income, essential expenses, and any bank account info for setting up automatic payments. They don't need every detail upfront, but having a general idea of what you can afford monthly helps them set up a realistic plan. Also make sure you have your tax returns and any IRS notices handy when you call. The agent will need your SSN and some info from your notices to pull up your account. The whole process took about 30 minutes once I got through to someone. One tip: if you get disconnected or the agent can't help for some reason, ask for a reference number so the next person you talk to can see notes about your call. Saved me from having to start over completely.

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Connor Byrne

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I went through a very similar situation about 18 months ago - owed around $14k from some consulting work where I messed up the quarterly payments. The stress and panic you're feeling is totally normal, but honestly the IRS is much more reasonable than those scary letters make it seem. I initially got quotes from three different tax resolution companies and they ranged from $3,500 to $6,200 just for their fees. One place literally told me they could "probably" get my debt reduced to $2,000 but couldn't guarantee anything. When I pressed them on specifics, it became clear they were just going to submit the same forms I could do myself. Instead, I ended up going the DIY route and it saved me thousands. Set up a 72-month payment plan directly through the IRS website for about $205/month. The whole process took maybe 30 minutes online, and I didn't have to deal with any pushy salespeople or worry about getting scammed. The reality is that for most people with straightforward tax debt like yours, those expensive services just aren't worth it. The IRS has gotten much better about working with taxpayers who are proactive about resolving their debt. Save your money and try handling it yourself first!

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This is exactly what I needed to hear! I've been losing sleep over this situation and those resolution company ads were making me think I needed to pay thousands just to talk to the IRS. Your experience with the online payment plan sounds so much simpler than I expected. Quick question - did you run into any issues with the $205/month payment amount? I'm trying to figure out what would be reasonable for my situation. Also, did you have to provide a lot of financial documentation upfront, or was it pretty straightforward to get approved for the plan? I'm definitely going to try the DIY route first after reading everyone's experiences here. Sounds like I could save myself a ton of money and stress by just being proactive about it.

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Jamal Wilson

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I see you have both an 810 freeze and 570 pending action code - that's a double hold situation that unfortunately means your refund is stuck until the IRS completes their review. The good news is your credits are already calculated and scheduled to post on 4/16-4/17, so once the review clears, your refund should process quickly. With the EIC and those credit amounts, the IRS is likely doing income verification. Keep checking your transcript weekly for a 571 code (which releases the 570) or any updates to the 810 freeze. The wait is frustrating but your refund isn't lost, just delayed while they verify everything matches up.

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I've been through this exact situation before! The combination of codes 810 and 570 means your return is in what we call "manual review status." The IRS flagged it for additional verification - likely because of the substantial EIC and credits totaling over $14,000. Here's what helped me during my wait: 1) Check your transcript every Friday morning when they update, 2) Don't call the IRS unless it's been over 120 days from your 570 date (they'll just tell you to wait), and 3) Make sure all your documents are ready in case they send a correspondence requesting verification. The timeline is typically 6-16 weeks from the 570 date for EIC reviews. Your cycle code suggests you should see movement by late April/early May. I know the wait is brutal, but hang in there - once it clears, you'll get your full refund amount!

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Javier Cruz

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This is super helpful, thank you! Question about checking the transcript - do you recommend checking on IRS.gov or is there a better way to monitor for updates? Also, did you end up getting any correspondence from the IRS during your review or did it just update automatically on the transcript? I'm trying to figure out if I should be watching my mail too šŸ“¬

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If ur making under $5000 dont even bother filing tbh. I didnt file for 3 years when I was doing odd jobs and nothing happened. The IRS doesnt care about small amounts.

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This is terrible advice. If you make $400+ in self-employment income, you legally need to file. Plus the original poster specifically wants to contribute to a Roth IRA, which requires filed tax returns showing earned income. Not filing when required can bite you years later with penalties and interest.

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OK fine but lets be real here - the chance of getting audited on a tiny bit of side income is basically zero. My CPA friend says the IRS is focused on bigger fish. But yes if u want to do the Roth thing u probably need to file. But also the penalties would be tiny on such a small amount if they ever did notice, which they wont. Just saying its not worth stressing about.

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Zara Mirza

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As someone who went through this exact same situation when I was 20, I want to emphasize a few key points that might help you feel more confident about the process: First, don't stress too much about perfect record-keeping for this past year - the IRS understands that many people doing casual work don't have pristine records. Make your best good-faith estimate of your total income and document how you arrived at that number. For your Schedule C, you can deduct reasonable business expenses even without perfect receipts - things like tennis balls, equipment, gas money for traveling to lessons, etc. Just be reasonable and honest. Going forward, definitely set up better tracking. I use a simple spreadsheet with columns for date, student name, amount, and method of payment. Takes 30 seconds per lesson and saves hours during tax season. One thing I wish someone had told me: even though you'll owe self-employment tax (about 15.3% on your net profit), you'll likely get most or all of your income tax back due to the standard deduction. So don't panic about owing huge amounts. The Roth IRA is absolutely worth it at your age - compound growth over 40+ years is incredible. You're making a really smart financial decision here!

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Lim Wong

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This is really helpful advice! I'm in a similar boat - just started doing some freelance graphic design work and wasn't sure how to handle the tax stuff. The point about documenting how you arrived at your income estimate is something I hadn't thought of. One question though - when you mention deducting gas money for traveling to lessons, do you need to track mileage or can you just estimate that too? I drive to different clients and never thought to keep track of the miles. Also totally agree on the Roth IRA - wish more people our age understood how powerful starting early can be!

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Has anyone used TurboTax or H&R Block for filing US taxes from Canada? I'm wondering if the regular versions work or if I need something special for expat taxes.

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Paolo Conti

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I've used TurboTax but you need the premium version to file foreign income and exclusions. It's a bit pricey and doesn't handle some of the more complex expat situations well. I switched to using a specialized expat tax service last year.

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I was in a very similar situation a few years ago - US citizen living in the UK with no income for several years due to health issues. The anxiety about being "in trouble" with the IRS was really overwhelming! Here's what I learned: Yes, technically you should file even with zero income, but the IRS is generally understanding about people who genuinely didn't know about the requirement, especially when no taxes are owed. The key is getting compliant going forward. Since you have no income, you likely qualify for the Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures, which is designed for people in exactly your situation. You'll need to file the last 3 years of tax returns (even if showing zero income) and 6 years of FBARs if you have Canadian bank accounts over $10k. The good news is that with zero income, you won't owe any taxes or penalties. I'd recommend getting professional help just to make sure everything is filed correctly and to give you peace of mind. Don't let the anxiety eat at you - this is much more common than you think and very fixable!

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Thank you so much for sharing your experience! It's really reassuring to hear from someone who went through the exact same situation. The anxiety has been keeping me up at night ever since I found out about this requirement. Can I ask - when you filed under the Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures, did you need to provide any documentation about why you didn't know about the filing requirement? I'm worried about having to prove that our immigration lawyer never mentioned it or that I genuinely had no idea. Also, you mentioned getting professional help - did you use a regular tax preparer or someone who specializes in expat taxes? I'm in a small Canadian town and I doubt the local H&R Block would know much about US expat requirements.

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