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The issue is 100% a software problem. Health insurance for partners reported as guaranteed payments reduces QBI at the partnership level. The software is making a second reduction at the individual level, which is incorrect. If you don't want to override, another approach is to NOT report the health insurance as a guaranteed payment on the 1065, and instead just show it as a footnote on the K-1 and have the partner deduct it on their 1040. This isn't technically correct per IRS instructions, but effectively gets the right QBI result. But honestly, just overriding the software calculation is cleaner.
Wouldn't the approach of not reporting as a guaranteed payment cause other issues though? Like wouldn't it mess up the partner's self-employment tax calculation? The guaranteed payment affects both SE tax and QBI.
You're absolutely right - that workaround would indeed cause SE tax issues by understating the guaranteed payments subject to self-employment tax. I shouldn't have suggested that approach. The correct method is definitely to report the health insurance as a guaranteed payment on the 1065 and then override the QBI calculation on the 1040 to prevent the double reduction. It's frustrating that we have to manually fix software issues, but at least it's a straightforward override.
This is such a widespread issue this filing season! I'm seeing it across multiple software platforms - UltraTax, ProSeries, Drake, and others all had similar bugs with the QBI calculations for partnership health insurance. What's really frustrating is that the software companies seem to understand the S Corp treatment (health insurance in W-2 wages shouldn't reduce QBI again on the individual return) but haven't applied the same logic to partnerships. The concept is identical - the guaranteed payment for health insurance already reduces QBI at the partnership level. For anyone still dealing with this, I'd strongly recommend documenting your override with a detailed workpaper. Include references to Reg. Sec. 1.199A-3(b)(1)(vi) and note that the guaranteed payment has already reduced QBI at the entity level. The IRS guidance is pretty clear on this point, even if the software implementation has been problematic. Has anyone heard if the major software companies have committed to fixing this for next filing season? It seems like such a basic issue that affects so many partnership returns.
I'm new to dealing with partnership returns and this thread has been incredibly helpful! I've been struggling with this exact issue for a client and wasn't sure if I was missing something or if it really was a software bug. It's reassuring to hear that experienced practitioners are seeing the same problem across multiple platforms. I was hesitant to override the QBI calculation without being 100% certain, but the consensus here gives me confidence to make the adjustment. One quick question - when you're documenting the override, are you just adding a note in the software or are you creating a separate memo to attach to the return? I want to make sure I'm properly supporting the position in case of any IRS questions down the road.
Have you guys had any issues with tax software handling these kinds of rental income situations? I tried using TurboTax last year and couldn't figure out where to report services received as rental income.
This is such a helpful thread! I'm dealing with a similar situation where my tenant handles snow removal in winter and takes $150 off rent each month during snow season. Based on what everyone's saying here, it sounds like I should be reporting my full rent amount ($2200) as income for all 12 months, then claiming the snow removal as a maintenance expense during those winter months when the service is actually provided. One question though - do I need to issue a 1099 to my tenant for the snow removal services? Since it's over $600 for the year, I'm wondering if there are any reporting requirements on my end beyond just the Schedule E entries. Also, for documentation purposes, would it be smart to have the tenant submit invoices or receipts for the work even though they're doing it themselves? I want to make sure I have proper backup in case of an audit.
Great question about the 1099 requirements! Yes, you would typically need to issue a 1099-NEC to your tenant if the total value of services exceeds $600 for the year. In your case with $150/month for snow removal over several months, you'd definitely hit that threshold. For documentation, I'd strongly recommend having your tenant provide some form of written record of the services performed - even if it's just a simple monthly statement listing dates and work completed. You don't necessarily need formal invoices, but having documentation that shows the work was actually performed and when will be crucial for audit protection. You might also want to take photos of the completed work (cleared driveways, walkways, etc.) and keep those with your records. The IRS likes to see that claimed expenses are legitimate business expenses, so having proof the work was actually done helps justify both your income reporting and expense deduction. One more tip - make sure your lease agreement or a written addendum documents this arrangement. Even though informal agreements still need to be reported correctly, having it in writing makes everything much cleaner from a tax perspective.
Anybody else notice their employer started doing withholding differently? I'm in food service and my company switched payroll systems last summer. My checks got like $30-40 bigger each pay period which was nice at the time, but now I owe $950 when I usually get about $1400 back. Never had this happen before in 12 years of working.
This is exactly what happened to me! I work at a chain restaurant and we switched to ADP payroll in July. Nobody told us employees that we might need to update our tax withholding when they made the switch. I noticed my paychecks were about $35 bigger but figured it was just a small raise or something. Fast forward to tax time and I owe $1,200 instead of getting my usual $800 refund. That's a $2,000 swing! When I called our corporate HR line, they basically said "oops, the new system uses different withholding calculations and we should have communicated that better." It's so frustrating because this affects exactly the workers who can least afford a surprise tax bill - people in service jobs who are living paycheck to paycheck. That extra $35 per check felt like a blessing at the time, but now I'm scrambling to figure out how to pay the IRS. I wish employers were required to give clearer warnings when they make changes that affect our taxes.
Wells Fargo customer here with DDD 3/14 - just got mine at 4:45pm! So there's still hope for those waiting. Wells Fargo almost never does early deposits but today was different for some reason. My transcript had the 846 code since Monday. For those with PNC still waiting, I've seen them deposit as late as 8pm on early deposit days, so don't lose hope yet!
Wait, Wells Fargo gave you an early deposit?! That's crazy, they NEVER do that! Gives me hope that maybe the banks are just processing things differently this year. I'm also with PNC and still waiting - maybe they're just running behind their usual schedule. Thanks for the update, definitely keeping my fingers crossed it hits before the end of the day!
Still waiting with PNC here too! DDD of 3/14, filed 2/1 and usually get deposits around 2pm but nothing yet as of 5:15pm. Seeing Wells Fargo customers getting theirs is actually encouraging - maybe all the banks are just running a bit behind their normal early deposit schedule today. The 846 code on my transcript gives me confidence the money is definitely coming. I'll check again around 8pm since I've heard PNC can deposit that late sometimes. Fingers crossed we all get ours before the day is over! š¤
Same here! PNC with DDD 3/14 and still nothing as of 5:30pm. Filed on 1/27 and got accepted the same day. This is nerve-wracking since PNC is usually so reliable with the 2-day early deposits. But you're right, seeing Wells Fargo customers getting theirs today when they normally don't do early deposits makes me think maybe all banks are just processing things differently this year. The 846 code on my transcript is definitely reassuring though - at least we know the IRS has sent the payment! I'm going to try not to check again until around 8pm. Hope we all see our deposits hit tonight!
Justin Evans
Does anyone know about late K-1s and extensions? If I know I'm getting a K-1 that won't arrive until after April 15, should I just automatically file for an extension? Or can I file my return and then amend it later? Which is easier?
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Natalie Wang
ā¢Filing an extension is definitely easier than amending a return later. An extension is very simple to file (Form 4868) and gives you until October 15 to submit your final return. Just remember that an extension gives you more time to file, not more time to pay. You'll need to estimate what you owe and pay that amount by the April deadline to avoid penalties. If you're expecting K-1 income, make a reasonable estimate based on previous years or any information you have about the current year. It's better to slightly overpay and get a refund later than underpay and owe penalties.
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Mason Stone
ā¢Definitely go with the extension if you know a K-1 is coming late! I learned this the hard way after amending returns multiple times. Filing an extension is literally a 5-minute online process, while amending a return can take weeks to prepare and months to process. One thing to add to what Natalie said - if you've received K-1s from the same partnerships in previous years, you can use that income as a baseline for estimating your payment. Most partnerships have relatively consistent distributions year over year, so last year's K-1 income is usually a decent approximation for your extension payment calculation. @f014fc63b237 is spot on about the payment timing - the extension only extends your filing deadline, not your payment deadline.
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Quinn Herbert
One thing that's really helped me manage K-1 timing is keeping a simple spreadsheet tracking my partnership investments and their historical K-1 delivery dates. I note the company name, investment amount, and when the K-1 arrived for the past 2-3 years. This gives me a pretty good sense of which ones are reliable early filers versus the chronic late ones. For example, I noticed that one of my REIT partnerships consistently sends their K-1 in mid-February, while another energy MLP is always late March or early April. Having this data lets me plan whether to file early or automatically request an extension. Also worth mentioning - some brokerages now flag partnership investments in your account with little K-1 icons or warnings, which is super helpful for portfolio planning. Schwab started doing this last year and it's been a game changer for avoiding surprises.
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Keisha Johnson
ā¢This spreadsheet approach is brilliant! I wish I had thought of this years ago. I'm definitely going to start tracking this data going forward. Quick question - do you also track whether the K-1s from each partnership tend to have corrections or amended versions? I've had a couple partnerships send out corrected K-1s weeks after the original ones, which threw off my whole filing timeline even more. Also, I had no idea some brokerages were adding K-1 warnings - that's such a helpful feature. I'm with TD Ameritrade and haven't noticed this yet, but I'll definitely look more carefully at my account interface. Might be worth switching brokerages just for better K-1 management tools at this point!
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