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Carmen Ruiz

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I see a lot of great advice here about quarterly payments and penalties, but I want to emphasize something crucial that could save you significant stress and money: get professional help NOW rather than trying to figure this out yourself. Estate taxation has so many moving parts - determining what income belongs to the estate vs. beneficiaries, calculating estimated payments correctly, understanding Income in Respect of Decedent rules, choosing between calendar and fiscal years, etc. One mistake can cost thousands in penalties or missed deductions. Since you mentioned the estate has rental properties generating $4,500/month plus investment dividends, you're looking at substantial income that definitely triggers quarterly payment requirements. The fact that you're already past the April 15 deadline means time is of the essence for penalty mitigation strategies. I'd strongly recommend finding a CPA or tax attorney who specializes in estate and trust taxation. Yes, it's an upfront cost, but they can often save you more than their fee through proper planning, penalty abatements, and identifying deductions you'd miss on your own. They can also help you set up systems to handle ongoing quarterly payments properly. Don't let the complexity overwhelm you - this is a common situation and there are professionals who handle it routinely. The key is acting quickly since tax deadlines don't wait for anyone to get up to speed.

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Noah Irving

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I completely agree with getting professional help, but I also understand the hesitation about costs when you're already dealing with attorney fees. What I found helpful was getting a consultation first to understand the scope of what needed to be done, then handling some of the simpler tasks myself while having the professional focus on the complex stuff. For example, I was able to gather all the income documentation and basic calculations myself, then had the CPA review everything and handle the actual Form 1041 preparation and estimated payment calculations. This hybrid approach saved me money while still ensuring I didn't miss anything critical. Also, many CPAs who specialize in estate work offer fixed-fee packages for estate tax returns rather than hourly billing, which can be more predictable than the attorney's hourly rates. Just make sure whoever you choose has specific experience with estate taxation - regular tax preparers often aren't familiar with the nuances of Form 1041 and estate-specific rules. The peace of mind is definitely worth it, especially when you're dealing with rental properties and investment income that create ongoing quarterly obligations.

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Laura Lopez

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I'm dealing with a similar situation after my grandmother passed three months ago, and I wanted to share what I've learned that might help. The estate has been generating income from her rental property and some stock dividends, and I was initially terrified about the quarterly payment requirements. First, don't panic about missing the April deadline - there are several penalty relief options available, especially for first-year estates. I was able to get penalties waived by demonstrating that as a first-time executor, I had reasonable cause for the delay while learning about these requirements. One thing that really helped me was understanding that you have options for calculating the payments. The safe harbor method (paying 100% of current year liability or 100%/110% of prior year) gives you certainty, but if your uncle had little to no tax liability in his final year, the annualized income method might work better given the uneven nature of estate income. Also, make sure you're properly distinguishing between income that belongs to the estate versus income that should be reported by beneficiaries. This was a major source of confusion for me initially. Rental income from properties still held by the estate definitely counts, but the treatment of dividends depends on several factors including when they were declared and paid. I'd strongly suggest getting at least a consultation with a CPA who specializes in estate taxes. Even if you handle some of the legwork yourself, having someone review your approach can prevent costly mistakes. The quarterly payment system continues as long as the estate remains open, so getting it right from the start is crucial.

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This is such helpful advice, thank you! I'm actually in a very similar boat - my aunt passed away two months ago and left me as executor of her estate. She had rental income and some dividend-paying stocks, and I had no idea about these quarterly payment requirements until last week when I finally met with her accountant. I'm curious about the penalty waiver you mentioned for first-time executors. Did you have to file a specific form or just write a letter explaining the situation? I'm already past the April deadline and getting worried about accumulating penalties while I'm still trying to figure out what the estate even owns. Also, when you say "income that belongs to the estate versus income that should be reported by beneficiaries" - how do you make that determination? I'm the sole beneficiary, but the estate is still open and I haven't distributed any assets yet. Does that mean all the income should be reported on the estate's 1041 for now?

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IRS Return Still Showing "Received" After 3 Weeks - PATH Act Delay with EITC and Topic 152 - Worried After Last Year's ID Verification Issues

Just checked WMR and IRS2Go app - still showing only "Return Received" status with no movement. My screen literally says: Refund Status Return Received → Refund Approved → Refund Sent With only the first "Received" bar filled in, and "Approved" and "Sent" still grayed out. The IRS message says "We have received your tax return and it is being processed. If you filed a complete and accurate tax return, your refund should be issued within 21 days of the received date. However, processing may take longer under certain circumstances. Please check here or visit IRS.gov/Refunds, to check on your refund status." I know I'm waiting because of PATH but getting nervous since I had to verify my identity last year. Under "Please read the following information related to your tax situation:" the app shows me Tax Topic 152, Refund Information and directs me to IRS.gov/Refunds for status updates, but I'm still stuck on that first "Received" bar with "Approved" and "Sent" not filled in yet. It's already 9:29 PM and I've been checking multiple times daily with zero movement. I filed three weeks ago and claimed EITC, so I know they can't release funds until after mid-February, but I at least expected to see some progress in the status. Anyone else in the same situation? Is Tax Topic 152 a good sign at least? Last year my return got flagged and I had to go through ID verification which delayed everything by months, so I'm paranoid about a repeat.

Ethan Moore

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ur good fam. tt152 means its processing. just gotta wait out this PATH act nonsense

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Harmony Love

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I'm in the exact same situation! Filed January 25th with EITC and still stuck on "Return Received" with Tax Topic 152. It's so frustrating checking every day and seeing zero movement, but reading these comments actually helps knowing we're all in the same boat. The PATH Act is such a pain - I get why they need to prevent fraud but it really does hit the people who need their refunds most. At least Tax Topic 152 seems to be a good sign that everything is processing normally. Fingers crossed we all see some movement soon! šŸ¤ž

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Amina Diallo

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Same here! Filed Jan 23rd and it's like watching paint dry 😩 At least we're all suffering together lol. The fact that so many of us have the exact same status with TT152 makes me feel way less paranoid about something being wrong. Really hoping we see some action after mid-February!

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Former DOR employee here. One thing to clarify - "net income" definitions vary slightly between states. Most want Line 21 from 1120S, but some states (like CA and NY) have their own calculation that starts with Line 21 and adds back certain items. Call your specific DOR office and ask exactly which line they use for "net income" on THEIR form. Will save you tons of headache.

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This is super helpful! Do you know what Illinois specifically requires? Their form just says "net income" without specifying.

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Illinois generally uses Line 21 as the starting point, but they typically require you to add back any Illinois-specific adjustments from Schedule M (if you had to file one). If you didn't have any Illinois adjustments, then Line 21 should be sufficient. When in doubt though, I always recommend calling the Illinois DOR payment plan department directly at their specific number (not the general helpline) which should be listed on the payment plan form. Ask for the "technical definition of net income for payment plan qualification purposes" - using that specific phrasing will usually get you transferred to someone who knows exactly what line they're looking for.

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Isaac Wright

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Just went through this exact situation last month! The confusion is totally understandable because different agencies sometimes use "net income" differently. For most state DOR payment plans, you'll want Line 21 (ordinary business income/loss) from your Form 1120S - this shows your actual business profit after all deductible expenses. However, I'd strongly recommend calling your specific state's DOR payment plan department to confirm. Some states have their own modifications to this number. When I called, they told me exactly which line to use and even emailed me a worksheet showing the calculation. It's worth the phone call to avoid having your payment plan delayed or rejected for using the wrong figure. Also, make sure you have your most recent filed return - sounds like that would be your 2023 Form 1120S in your case. Good luck getting it sorted out!

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StarSailor

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This is exactly the kind of practical advice that would have saved me hours of stress! I wish I had thought to call and ask for the specific worksheet you mentioned. One question though - when you called, did you get through to someone knowledgeable right away, or did you have to navigate through multiple transfers? I'm dreading having to spend half my day on hold just to get this one question answered, but it sounds like it's definitely worth doing to get it right the first time.

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Ravi Patel

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TBH these identity verification procedures are actually a good thing even though they're annoying. I had someone file a fake return in my name a few years ago and it took FOREVER to fix the mess. Better to verify upfront than deal with actual identity theft later.

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Luca Russo

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I went through this exact same process about 6 months ago! Definitely bring multiple forms of ID like others mentioned - I brought my driver's license, passport, and social security card just to be safe. The appointment itself was pretty straightforward and took about 20 minutes. One thing I wish I had known beforehand - after they verify your identity, your return basically goes to the back of the processing queue again. So even though the verification is quick, you're still looking at several weeks for them to actually process and release your refund. In my case it was about 5-6 weeks from verification to getting the money in my account. The good news is your refund amount won't change - this is purely an identity verification issue, not an audit or anything like that. Just be patient after tomorrow's appointment and try not to stress too much about the timeline. The money will come eventually!

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Manny Lark

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This is really reassuring to hear from someone who went through the same thing! I was worried that going to the back of the queue meant starting from scratch, but 5-6 weeks isn't too bad considering. Did you get any kind of confirmation at the appointment that everything was processed correctly, or did you just have to wait and see?

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NebulaNova

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I've been dealing with this exact same frustration! After two weeks of failed attempts, I finally got through last Thursday using a hybrid approach from several suggestions here. Called the main IRS number (1-800-829-1040) at 7:05am Eastern on a Thursday, selected option 2 for personal tax questions, then navigated to the identity verification option. The key was being patient during the automated prompts - I let each message play completely before responding, and when I got the "high call volume" warning, I stayed on the line instead of hanging up. After a brutal 78-minute hold (I literally did laundry and made breakfast while waiting), I finally reached an agent. Make sure you have your Social Security card, driver's license, and prior year tax returns within arm's reach. They asked me to verify my address from 3 years ago, my filing status from 2022, and the exact refund amount from my 2023 return. The whole verification process took about 15 minutes once connected. One thing that helped my sanity - I used speaker phone and just went about my morning routine while holding. Way less stressful than sitting there staring at the phone! Your perseverance will pay off eventually.

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This is such great advice about using speaker phone and going about your routine! I never thought of that approach but it makes so much sense. I've been torturing myself sitting at my desk staring at the phone during those endless hold times. Quick question - when they asked about your address from 3 years ago, did they accept your current address if you had moved, or did you actually need to remember the old one? I moved twice in the past few years and I'm worried I might not remember exact details from previous addresses. Also, did they give you any timeline for when your return would be processed after verification? I'm hoping to get mine resolved before the end of the month!

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I just went through this exact ordeal two weeks ago and finally cracked the code! After 15 failed attempts over 10 days, here's the strategy that worked: **The Golden Combo:** - Called Tuesday at 7:03am EST (not 7:00 - everyone calls then) - Used 1-800-830-5084 (direct TPP line) - When automated system started, I counted to 10 before pressing ANY buttons - Stayed on hold for 1 hour 23 minutes but FINALLY got through! **Critical prep work:** Have your Social Security card, last 3 years of tax returns, and any IRS correspondence spread out in front of you. They asked me about my 2021 filing status, exact AGI from 2022, and even my spouse's middle initial from our joint return. Also had to verify previous addresses - thankfully I keep old lease agreements! **The secret sauce:** The agent mentioned that calling slightly AFTER opening time actually works better because their system gets overwhelmed right at 7am with everyone trying simultaneously. Those few extra minutes let the initial wave pass. **Timeline:** Once verified, she said my return would process within 5-7 business days, and it actually came through in 4 days. Stay strong - you WILL get through! The waiting is brutal but the relief when you finally hear a human voice is incredible. Consider it a test of patience that comes with a nice refund reward at the end! šŸ’Ŗ

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This is fantastic advice! I'm definitely going to try the 7:03am strategy instead of calling right at 7:00. Your point about the system getting overwhelmed at opening time makes total sense - it's like trying to get concert tickets the second they go on sale. I've been calling at exactly 7am thinking I was being smart, but I was probably just adding to the traffic jam! The tip about keeping old lease agreements is brilliant too. I'm one of those people who usually throws away paperwork after moving, but thankfully I still have my rental history saved digitally. Going to print everything out tonight so I'm ready for tomorrow's attempt. One quick question - when you counted to 10 before pressing buttons, were you letting the entire automated greeting play first, or starting your count as soon as you heard the system pick up? I want to make sure I'm timing this right! Thanks for sharing such detailed step-by-step instructions and giving the rest of us hope! šŸ™

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