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You might also wanna look into whether u qualify as a real estate professional for tax purposes. If u do, the passive activity loss limitations don't apply to your rental properties, which would make this whole question moot cuz then the losses wouldnt be considered passive in the first place. U need to meet two requirements: 1) more than half ur personal services during the year are in real property trades/businesses, and 2) u perform more than 750 hours of services in real property trades/businesses.
Just be careful with claiming real estate professional status - it's one of the most audited areas by the IRS. You need extremely detailed documentation of your hours, like a contemporaneous log tracking all your real estate activities. I've seen people get in trouble claiming this without proper records.
Another consideration for your situation is the timing of when you can use passive losses. If you have suspended passive losses from prior years on the property you're keeping, those can only offset passive income in the current year - they can't offset the depreciation recapture unless you're disposing of that specific property too. However, if you have current year passive losses from your other rental property, those should be able to offset the passive income portion of your gain, including the depreciation recapture. Just make sure you're tracking which losses come from which property, especially if you have suspended losses carried forward from multiple years. Also worth noting - if you're planning any other real estate transactions soon, the timing could affect your overall tax strategy. Sometimes it makes sense to bunch gains and losses in the same year to maximize the offset benefit.
This is really helpful timing advice! I'm actually planning to sell both properties within the next 18 months, so this could definitely impact my strategy. If I understand correctly, when I sell the second property, any suspended losses from that specific property would then become fully deductible against any income type? Also, you mentioned bunching gains and losses - would it make sense to try to time the sales so they happen in the same tax year? I'm wondering if there are any other timing considerations I should be thinking about, like depreciation schedules or potential changes to tax rates.
I'm going through the exact same situation right now and this entire thread has been incredibly reassuring! Got the "Action Required" message three days ago and have been in full anxiety mode ever since, checking WMR probably every few hours like it's going to magically update. What really stands out to me is how everyone keeps coming back to that same key phrase: "If we need additional information, we'll mail a notice with further instructions." It's like the golden rule of this whole process - no physical mail means we're just in the waiting phase, not that there's actually some urgent action we need to take despite that scary heading. The success stories from @Ana ErdoΔan, @Ethan Moore, and others who went through weeks of this same status and got their full refunds without sending any documents are giving me so much hope. I was literally pulling out every tax document I could find thinking I'd need to submit something, but it sounds like the main skill we need here is just patience (which is honestly harder than organizing paperwork! π ). I'm definitely going to follow everyone's advice about stepping back from the obsessive WMR checking and limiting it to maybe once a week while doing daily mailbox checks instead. The IRS really should change that "Action Required" wording to something like "Review in Progress" - would save so many people from unnecessary panic attacks! Thanks to everyone for sharing their real experiences. This community is honestly the best resource I've found for dealing with tax anxiety. We're all in this waiting game together! π
@Ravi Patel I just got hit with the same Action "Required message" yesterday and finding this thread has been such a relief! It s'crazy how that wording immediately makes you think you ve'done something wrong when really it s'just their standard review process. You re'absolutely right about that key phrase being everything - I ve'been clinging to we "ll'mail a notice if we need additional information like" it s'a lifeline! No mail in my box = just waiting it out, even though my brain keeps trying to convince me otherwise. The success stories here really do help so much. Seeing @Ana ErdoΔan wait 4 weeks and get her full refund automatically, and @Ethan Moore s'3-week experience, gives me actual concrete hope instead of just generic it "ll'be fine advice." I was also about to start gathering every document I own, but sounds like patience is really the only requirement here! I m'definitely going to try that once-a-week WMR checking limit because I ve'already checked it like 15 times today and it s'driving me insane π The IRS seriously needs better messaging - Review "in Progress would" cause way less panic than Action "Required !"Thanks for adding your voice to this thread - it helps knowing we re'all navigating this stressful waiting period together! π€
I'm going through this exact same "Action Required" situation right now and honestly, reading through all these experiences has been more helpful than anything I could find on the official IRS website! Just got that message yesterday and immediately started spiraling, but seeing so many success stories here is really reassuring. What keeps standing out to me is that crucial phrase everyone mentions: "If we need additional information, we'll mail a notice with further instructions." It's like the anchor point we all need to focus on - no physical mail means we're just in their standard review process, despite how urgent that "Action Required" heading makes it sound. The timeline seems pretty consistent from what I'm reading - @Ana ErdoΔan's 4-week experience, @Ethan Moore's 3-week update, and others all got their full refunds without having to send any documents. That gives me real hope that this is just routine verification rather than an actual problem with my return. I'm definitely guilty of the obsessive WMR checking already (probably 20+ times since yesterday π ), but I'm going to try following everyone's advice about limiting it to once a week and focusing on daily mailbox checks instead. The IRS really needs to fix that misleading "Action Required" wording - "Review in Progress" would save so many people from unnecessary anxiety! Thanks to everyone for sharing their real experiences. This community is honestly a lifesaver for dealing with tax stress. We're all in this waiting game together! π
I've been helping people navigate cash income tax situations for years, and you're definitely on the right track by setting aside 30% and asking the right questions early. Here are a few additional tips that might help: First, consider getting an EIN (Employer Identification Number) for your landscaping work, even as a sole proprietor. It's free from the IRS website and makes you look more legitimate as a business entity. You can still file on Schedule C, but having an EIN gives you more credibility and separates your business identity from your personal SSN on some forms. Second, look into opening a Solo 401(k) or SEP-IRA once you're established. As self-employed, you can contribute a significant percentage of your earnings to retirement accounts, which reduces your current tax liability while building for the future. This is one of the few advantages of being self-employed vs. being a W-2 employee. Third, keep detailed records of any training, licensing, or certification costs related to landscaping. These are fully deductible business expenses that many people overlook. Same goes for work-related phone calls, internet usage for scheduling/communication, and even a portion of your home if you use it for business planning or storage. The most important thing is to stay consistent with your record-keeping from this point forward. The IRS respects taxpayers who make good faith efforts to comply, even if the situation isn't perfect. You're already ahead of most people just by thinking about this proactively.
This is incredibly thorough advice! I had no idea about the Solo 401(k) option for self-employed people - that could be a game changer for reducing tax liability while actually building something for the future. Quick question about the EIN: is there any downside to getting one? Like does it trigger additional reporting requirements or put you on some kind of business radar that might complicate things? I'm trying to balance legitimacy with keeping things simple since this might just be temporary until I find a regular W-2 job. Also, when you mention "portion of your home" for business use, how does that work practically? I don't have a dedicated office space, but I do store some tools in my garage and sometimes do scheduling/invoicing at my kitchen table. Is that enough to claim a home office deduction or do you need something more formal?
Great questions! Regarding the EIN, there's really no downside to getting one as a sole proprietor. It doesn't trigger additional reporting requirements - you'll still file the same Schedule C and 1040 forms. The main benefit is that it separates your business identity from your personal SSN, which is especially helpful when opening business bank accounts or if you ever need to provide tax ID info to clients. Plus, if you do transition to a regular W-2 job later, having the EIN established makes it easier to restart self-employment work in the future if needed. For the home office deduction, you have two options: the simplified method (up to 300 sq ft at $5/sq ft, max $1,500 deduction) or the actual expense method. For your situation, the simplified method is probably easiest. If you use your garage for tool storage and kitchen table for business admin, measure those spaces and calculate the percentage of your home used for business. Even if it's not a dedicated office, legitimate business use counts. Just be reasonable - if your garage is 200 sq ft and you use it primarily for business tools/supplies, that could qualify. Keep photos and records showing the business use to support your deduction if ever questioned.
Rachel, you're being incredibly responsible by setting aside 30% and thinking about this proactively! One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet that might be relevant to your specific situation as a landscaper - if you're providing your own equipment (mowers, trimmers, hand tools, etc.), those are legitimate business deductions that can significantly reduce your tax burden. Also, since landscaping is seasonal work in many areas, you might want to consider whether your income varies significantly throughout the year. If so, you could potentially benefit from income averaging strategies or at least plan your quarterly estimated payments around your peak earning periods. The advice about Schedule C and treating yourself as self-employed is spot on. Just make sure to keep receipts for everything work-related - fuel for equipment, replacement tools, work boots, even sunscreen if you're outside all day. The IRS allows deductions for ordinary and necessary business expenses, and landscaping has quite a few of those. One last tip: if your boss ever decides to start issuing 1099s in the future, make sure your reported income aligns with what you've been filing. Consistency in reporting is key to avoiding red flags.
Just wanted to add that you should also consider opening a dependent care FSA through your employer if they offer one! Since you mentioned daycare costs might come up, you can set aside up to $5,000 pre-tax to pay for childcare expenses. This would reduce your taxable income and save you money on both federal and state taxes. Also, if your girlfriend does go back to work at some point during the tax year, make sure you recalculate who's providing more than half the support. The IRS looks at the total support provided for the entire year, not just while she wasn't working. But based on your income level and the fact that you're covering all major expenses, you should still easily meet the support test even if she has some part-time income later. Keep all those receipts and records that others mentioned - they're super important if you ever get audited on the Head of Household status!
Great point about the dependent care FSA! I didn't know about that option. Since I'm making $115k, that $5,000 pre-tax savings could really add up. Do you know if I can sign up for that mid-year, or do I have to wait until open enrollment? Our baby was born in January so I'm wondering if that counts as a qualifying life event that would let me enroll now. Also, really appreciate the reminder about recalculating support if my girlfriend goes back to work. I was planning to just assume I'd qualify for the whole year, but you're right that I need to look at the total picture. With my income level though, even if she works part-time, I should still be providing the majority of support for both her and the baby.
Having a new baby definitely counts as a qualifying life event! You should be able to enroll in a dependent care FSA within 30 days of the birth. Contact your HR department ASAP since there's usually a strict deadline for making changes after a qualifying event. One more tip - if you do end up adding your baby to your employer's health insurance plan, make sure to compare the total costs carefully. Sometimes the premium savings from having the baby on Medicaid vs. your employer plan can be significant, but you might also miss out on additional tax benefits like being able to use a health savings account (HSA) if your employer offers a high-deductible health plan with HSA eligibility. Also, don't forget that if you do pay for your baby's health insurance through your employer, those premiums are typically paid with pre-tax dollars, which reduces your taxable income even further. Just another factor to consider in your overall financial planning!
Sadie Benitez
I fixed this exact problem last year by using the "Married but withhold at higher Single rate" checkbox on my W-4. It's simpler than trying to calculate an exact additional withholding amount. This basically makes your withholding closer to what a single person would pay on the same income, which is usually about right when both spouses work. We had the EXACT same situation - my wife's taxes were like 11% and mine were only 6%. After checking that box and submitting a new W-4, my withholding went up to about 15%, which was a little high, but we'd rather get a refund than owe.
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Drew Hathaway
β’doesn't checking that box mean ur filing single? won't that mess up your actual tax return when u file jointly? I'm confused about how that works
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Ava Hernandez
β’No, checking "Married but withhold at higher Single rate" only affects how much tax is withheld from your paychecks throughout the year - it doesn't change your actual filing status when you file your tax return. You'll still file as "Married Filing Jointly" on your 1040. Think of it this way: withholding is just an estimate/prepayment of your taxes. The "single rate" withholding is higher because single people don't get the benefit of the larger married filing jointly standard deduction and tax brackets during withholding calculations. When you actually file your return, you'll use the correct MFJ rates and get a refund if too much was withheld. It's basically a simple way to avoid underwithholding when both spouses work, without having to do complex calculations.
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Justin Evans
This is such a frustrating but common issue! I went through the exact same thing last year. The key problem is that the W-4 form changed significantly in 2020, and most people (including HR departments) don't fully understand how it works for two-earner households. What's happening is that each employer is calculating withholding as if that's your only household income. So your husband's employer sees his $78K salary and thinks "married filing jointly with one child = low tax burden" without knowing about your $115K income that pushes your combined household into much higher tax brackets. Here's what worked for me: I used the IRS Withholding Estimator (irs.gov/W4App) with both our incomes and it calculated that we needed an additional $520 per month withheld from my husband's paycheck. We put this amount in Step 4(c) of his W-4 as "Extra withholding per pay period." For your 2024 taxes that you'll owe, definitely file by April 15th even if you can't pay the full amount immediately. The failure-to-file penalty is much worse than failure-to-pay. You can set up a payment plan online at irs.gov if needed. The silver lining is that once you fix the W-4 forms properly, this won't happen again in 2025!
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Kaiya Rivera
β’This is really helpful! I'm in a very similar situation where my spouse and I both work and we're definitely under-withholding. A quick question - when you used the IRS Withholding Estimator and it said you needed an extra $520 per month, did you put that full amount on just your husband's W-4, or did you split it between both of your forms? I'm wondering if it's better to concentrate the extra withholding on one person's paycheck or spread it out. Also, did you notice the change right away in the next paycheck, or did it take a pay period or two for the new withholding to kick in? We want to get this fixed ASAP for 2025.
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