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Alice Pierce

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Has anyone dealt with state taxes on sports betting? I'm in New Jersey and my state treats gambling losses differently than the federal government. Just wondering how others handle this.

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Esteban Tate

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Each state has different rules. Here in PA, we can only deduct losses against winnings for state tax purposes if we can itemize on our federal return. It's super confusing. I started using a tax professional who specializes in gambling income after I got a surprise $1,700 state tax bill last year!

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Monique Byrd

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Just wanted to add something that helped me last year - make sure you're keeping detailed records throughout the year, not just at tax time! I learned this the hard way when I got audited. The IRS wanted to see: - Date and time of each bet - Type of bet (spread, moneyline, over/under, etc.) - Amount wagered - Amount won or lost - Which platform/sportsbook Most betting apps will let you export this data, but it's much easier to stay organized as you go rather than trying to reconstruct everything in March. I started using a simple spreadsheet to track my sessions weekly, and it made tax prep so much smoother this year. Also, don't forget that if you had any promotional bets or bonus winnings, those count as taxable income too! The sportsbooks usually include these in your annual statements, but it's good to be aware of it.

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This is really helpful advice! I wish I had known about keeping detailed records from the start. I'm already dreading trying to piece together all my betting history from this year. Do you know if there's a standard format the IRS prefers for these records, or is a simple spreadsheet sufficient? Also, when you mentioned promotional bets counting as taxable income - does that include things like free bet credits that sportsbooks give you for signing up?

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IRS confusion about refund deadlines - 3yr/2yr rule vs 3 years from due date for unfiled returns? Just submitted my 2020 taxes...

I'm feeling pretty confused about the IRS rules for claiming refunds on late tax returns. I've been reading conflicting information and hoping someone can clear this up. According to the "3yr/2yr rule" on the IRS website, you have 3 years from when you filed your original return OR 2 years from when you paid the tax (whichever gives you more time). But what happens if you never filed a return at all? Several tax advisors I've consulted seem to say you only have 2 years in this case. But then I look at the official IRS website and it says something different: "What to do if you haven't filed your tax return - Many people may lose out on their tax refund simply because they did not file a federal income tax return. By law, they only have a three-year window from the original due date, normally the April deadline, to claim their refunds" And in another section: "Claim a Refund - You risk losing your refund if you don't file your return. If you are due a refund for withholding or estimated taxes, you must file your return to claim it within 3 years of the return due date. The same rule applies to a right to claim tax credits such as the Earned Income Credit." I've also seen articles from TurboTax, Forbes, and others stating you have 3 years from the original due date to claim a refund for an unfiled return. They all mention that May 17, 2024 is the deadline for 2020 tax returns (since the original due date was May 17, 2021). I just mailed my 2020 return via certified mail and it should arrive before the deadline. But I'm still confused about what the 3yr/2yr rule actually means in this situation. I work as an accountant (though not specializing in personal income tax), so I'm embarrassed to be this confused. Can someone clarify this for me?

Ethan Wilson

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As a newcomer to this community, I have to say this thread has been absolutely invaluable! I've been procrastinating on filing my 2020 taxes for years now, and reading through everyone's experiences has finally given me the clarity and motivation I needed. The way this community has broken down the difference between unfiled returns (3 years from original due date) versus amended returns (3yr/2yr rule) is so much clearer than anything I found on the IRS website. It's honestly embarrassing how long I've been putting this off because I was confused about the deadlines. Unfortunately, I think I may have missed the May 17, 2024 deadline for my 2020 taxes by just a few days. I was traveling for work and didn't realize how close the deadline was until it was too late. Does anyone know if there are any exceptions or if I'm completely out of luck for claiming that refund? @Glen Riddle - your multi-year strategy is fascinating, and the success you had with the IRS callback system gives me hope that they're more helpful than their reputation suggests. @Javier Cruz - I'm so glad you got your 2020 return in on time via certified mail! The certified mail advice throughout this thread is definitely something I'll remember for future filings. Better late than never for learning these lessons, I suppose. Has anyone dealt with missing the 3-year deadline by just a few days, or is that a hard cutoff with no flexibility? Thanks to everyone for sharing such detailed experiences - this community is an amazing resource!

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Kaitlyn Otto

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I'm sorry to say that the 3-year deadline is generally a hard cutoff with very limited exceptions. The IRS is pretty strict about these statutory deadlines - if you missed May 17, 2024 for your 2020 taxes by even a few days, you've likely lost the right to claim that refund permanently. There are extremely rare exceptions for things like being in a combat zone, presidentially declared disasters, or cases of IRS error, but routine circumstances like work travel unfortunately don't qualify for extensions of the statute of limitations. This is exactly why everyone in this thread has emphasized the importance of certified mail and not waiting until the last minute. The IRS doesn't have discretion to waive these deadlines the way they might with penalties or interest. However, don't let this discourage you from filing any other unfiled returns you might have! If you have 2021, 2022, or later years that you haven't filed, you still have time to claim those refunds. And going forward, definitely use the certified mail approach that's been recommended throughout this discussion. I know it's frustrating to potentially lose money that was rightfully yours, but hopefully this experience will motivate you to stay current with future filings. The good news is that this thread has given you all the tools to handle future situations correctly!

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As a newcomer to this community, I want to thank everyone for such a comprehensive discussion! I'm currently dealing with unfiled 2022 taxes and was completely overwhelmed by the conflicting information online until I found this thread. The clarity everyone has provided about the 3-year rule for unfiled returns versus the 3yr/2yr rule for amended returns has been a game-changer. I've been procrastinating partly because I couldn't figure out which deadline applied to my situation, but now I understand I have until April 2026 for my 2022 return. @Ethan Wilson - I'm really sorry to hear you may have missed the May 17, 2024 deadline for your 2020 taxes. Your situation is a perfect example of why the certified mail approach that everyone recommends is so crucial. It's also a reminder for those of us with later years to not put this off any longer. @Glen Riddle - your multi-year strategy and positive experience with the IRS callback system gives me confidence that even complex situations can be resolved successfully when you understand the rules properly. What strikes me most about this thread is how the community has turned confusing IRS documentation into clear, actionable guidance through real experiences. The unanimous advice about certified mail, the importance of understanding which specific rule applies to your situation, and the reassurance that there are no penalties when you're owed a refund - all of this is gold. I'm definitely filing my 2022 return well before the deadline and using certified mail. Thanks to everyone for sharing your wisdom!

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Has anyone run into Zelle transfer limits when doing larger amounts? I tried to move $8k once and my bank limited me to $3500 per day.

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Yeah, it varies by bank. Chase limits me to $2,000 daily and $16,000 monthly for Zelle. For the $15k transfer OP mentioned, they might need to split it up over several days or just do a regular bank-to-bank ACH transfer instead, which usually has higher limits.

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Ellie Simpson

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One thing to keep in mind is that while these transfers aren't taxable, you should still keep good records of them. I learned this the hard way when the IRS questioned some large deposits in my account during an audit a few years back. Even though they were just transfers from my other bank, I had to provide documentation proving both accounts were mine and that the money wasn't new income. I'd recommend keeping screenshots of both accounts showing your name, and maybe even a simple spreadsheet tracking the transfer dates and amounts. It's probably overkill, but it'll save you headaches if anyone ever questions where that money came from. The IRS agent told me that clear documentation makes these situations resolve much faster.

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Riya Sharma

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This is really solid advice! I never thought about keeping records for something that seems so straightforward, but you're absolutely right. Better to have the documentation and not need it than to scramble during an audit. Did the IRS give you any guidance on how long to keep those records? I'm assuming it's the same as other tax documents (7 years), but wanted to check since these aren't technically "tax" transactions.

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This is exactly why I always tell people to be super careful about who they trust with their taxes! A few years ago my neighbor got burned by one of these scammers who took nearly $800 in "fees" from her $4,200 refund. She thought she was getting professional help but the guy was just running a scheme out of a strip mall office that disappeared after tax season. The worst part is these predators specifically target people who really need their refunds - folks with kids claiming EITC, people who are struggling financially and can't afford to lose a single dollar. It's disgusting how they take advantage when people are most vulnerable. Everyone should know: legitimate tax preparers will NEVER require your refund to go through their accounts first. If they're saying they need to "process" it through their system, that's your cue to walk out immediately. Your refund should go straight from the IRS to YOUR bank account, period.

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Aaron Lee

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This is so infuriating to read about! $800 in fees from a $4,200 refund is absolutely criminal. These scammers know exactly what they're doing - they set up shop in low-income neighborhoods during tax season, prey on people who desperately need their refunds, then vanish. It's basically legalized theft. I'm glad you mentioned how they target EITC families especially. Those are often single parents or working families who are counting on every penny of that refund to pay rent, buy groceries, or catch up on bills. To steal from them is just heartless. More people need to know about the IRS Free File program too - if you make under $73k you can literally file for FREE directly through the IRS website. No need to risk getting scammed by these vultures at all.

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Max Knight

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This hits close to home for me. My elderly father got scammed by one of these "tax professionals" last year who charged him $450 in fees for what should have been a simple return - just his Social Security and a small pension. The worst part? They made him think he was getting some kind of "premium service" when really they were just padding their pockets. What really bothers me is how these scammers specifically target vulnerable populations - seniors, immigrants, people with language barriers, and low-income families. They set up in communities where people might not know their rights or how the system is supposed to work. For anyone reading this: if you're unsure about a tax preparer, ask them to show you their PTIN (Preparer Tax Identification Number) and look it up on the IRS website. Also, never let them rush you through signing documents. A legitimate preparer will be happy to explain every fee and give you time to review everything. Your gut instinct is usually right - if something feels off, find someone else!

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Did you have any credits like EIC or CTC? Those usually take longer to process and get more scrutiny.

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Liam McGuire

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yeah claimed EIC this year...guess that explains the hold up šŸ˜®ā€šŸ’Ø

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EIC claims definitely get extra scrutiny and can add weeks to processing time. The good news is once you see those 571/290/971 codes, it usually means they've finished their review and you're in the final stages. Based on your transcript showing movement on 12-10-2024 with the 570 code still there, I'd expect to see an 846 code (refund issued) within the next 1-2 weeks. The -$42 balance is actually your refund amount after interest calculations. Keep checking your transcript updates on Thursdays/Fridays - that's when they typically post new cycles.

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Zainab Ahmed

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This is super helpful! I'm in a similar situation with EIC and was wondering why it's taking so long. Quick question - when you say "refund amount after interest calculations," does that mean the -$42 is what I'll actually get, or is there more to it? I'm still trying to understand how to read these transcripts properly šŸ˜…

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