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This is such a helpful thread! I'm in a similar situation - did some freelance graphic design work last year (about $2,800) alongside my regular job and TurboTax is also prompting me for Form 8995. Reading through all these responses, it sounds like I should definitely take advantage of the QBI deduction rather than skip it. Paolo's point about doing Schedule C first is super important - I need to make sure I'm deducting my home office expenses, software subscriptions, and equipment costs before calculating that 20%. One question though - does anyone know if there's a minimum income threshold for the QBI deduction? I want to make sure it's worth the extra complexity for my relatively small freelance income.
There's no minimum income threshold for the QBI deduction! Even with your $2,800 in freelance income, you're absolutely eligible for it. The deduction is designed to benefit all self-employed individuals, not just big businesses. For your graphic design work, you're looking at potentially deducting 20% of your net profit after expenses. So if you had $500 in legitimate business expenses (software, equipment, home office), your net profit would be $2,300, and you could deduct up to $460 (20% of $2,300) from your taxable income. That's definitely worth the extra form! The complexity really isn't that bad when TurboTax walks you through it step by step. Just make sure you gather all those business expense receipts first like Paolo mentioned - home office, Adobe subscriptions, new computer equipment, etc. Those upfront deductions can really add up and make the 20% QBI deduction even more valuable.
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I was in the exact same boat last month - doing gig work for the first time and completely confused about Form 8995. One thing I learned that might help others: if you're using TurboTax and it's asking for the Self-Employed upgrade just because of Form 8995, you might not actually need it. I was able to manually enter my Schedule C information and Form 8995 using the basic version after doing some research on what each line meant. The key is understanding that Form 8995 is actually TWO potential benefits: the QBI deduction (up to 20% of net profit) AND it qualifies you for the self-employment tax deduction (half of your SE tax). Even though you pay the 15.3% SE tax that others mentioned, you get to deduct half of that amount, which softens the blow. For anyone still stressed about this - take a breath! The form looks scary but it's mostly just transferring numbers from your Schedule C. TurboTax will calculate everything once you enter your business income and expenses correctly.
This is exactly what I needed to hear! I've been stressing about whether to pay for the TurboTax upgrade just for this one form. Your point about manually entering the Schedule C and Form 8995 info is really helpful - I had no idea that was even possible with the basic version. The self-employment tax deduction piece is something I completely missed too. So even though I have to pay the extra SE tax, getting to deduct half of it back does make it less painful. Do you remember roughly how long it took you to figure out the manual entry process? I'm worried about making mistakes since this is all new to me, but if it could save me the $120 upgrade fee that would be amazing.
I'm an insurance agent with a side gig selling handmade crafts. Last year was my first year with substantial business losses ($8k), and I was in a very similar situation. My regular job withheld about $3200, but I got back almost $7000! What nobody's mentioned yet is the Earned Income Credit - with three kids and a reduced income (after your business losses), you might qualify for a significant EIC, which is refundable. Combined with the Child Tax Credit, this can definitely result in getting back more than you paid in. And that workshop building? That's a capital asset that could be eligible for Section 179 deduction or bonus depreciation, allowing you to deduct the full cost in year one rather than depreciating it over several years. I say go with the tax software calculation. Just make sure you have documentation for all your expenses in case you do get questioned.
This is why I always use tax software instead of an accountant! Last year I got back $4500 more than I paid in because of my business losses and two kids. The software finds all these credits automatically. Just make sure you answer all the questions accurately about business use percentages and stuff.
I'm going through something very similar as a newcomer to small business taxes! I started a consulting business last year and had significant startup costs that put me in the red, but I also have a W-2 job and two kids. What really helped me understand this was learning that business losses on Schedule C directly reduce your Adjusted Gross Income (AGI), which can make you eligible for refundable credits you might not have qualified for otherwise. The Child Tax Credit alone can be up to $2,000 per child, and it's refundable up to $1,600 per child even if you owe no taxes. Your accountant saying "the government won't pay you to run a failing business" misses the point - these aren't payments for failing, they're legitimate tax credits for families with children that you become eligible for when your business losses lower your income. One thing that gave me confidence was double-checking my calculations manually using the IRS worksheets for the Child Tax Credit and EIC. The tax software is usually right, but doing it by hand helped me understand exactly where that extra refund was coming from. You might want to try that too - it's actually not that complicated once you work through it step by step.
17 Has anyone calculated if it might just be better to pay the capital gains now instead of going through all this hassle? Long-term capital gains rates are historically pretty low (15% for most people), and property management is becoming such a headache with rising insurance costs and maintenance.
16 Depends entirely on your situation. For my eminent domain case, the gain was about $430,000. Even at 15%, that's $64,500 in taxes I deferred. Plus, I was able to leverage the 1033 proceeds to buy a much better income property. The paperwork was a pain, but saving $64K made it worthwhile for me.
Don't forget to consider state tax implications too! While you're focused on federal capital gains deferral through the 1033 exchange, some states don't recognize the federal deferral and will tax you immediately on the gain. I found this out the hard way when California hit me with state capital gains taxes even though I properly deferred the federal taxes through my involuntary conversion. Make sure to check with a tax professional familiar with your state's rules - it could significantly impact whether the 1033 exchange makes financial sense in your situation.
That's a really important point about state taxes that I hadn't considered! I'm in Texas so no state income tax, but I can see how that would completely change the math for someone in California or New York. Did you end up having to pay the full California rate on the entire gain, or were there any partial deferrals available at the state level? This might be something worth factoring into my decision about whether to even pursue the 1033 exchange.
You guys are overlooking something important - when you pass away, your heirs get a stepped-up basis to fair market value, and all that deferred depreciation recapture disappears! If you're planning to keep properties for your lifetime, this is the ultimate tax strategy. My parents did this with several rental properties and avoided hundreds of thousands in recapture and capital gains taxes.
Is that really true? So if I never sell my rentals and just leave them to my kids, they never have to pay the recapture taxes? Seems too good to be true.
Yes, that's absolutely correct! The stepped-up basis at death is one of the most powerful wealth transfer strategies in real estate. When your heirs inherit the property, they receive it at fair market value as of the date of death, which essentially "erases" all the accumulated depreciation and capital gains. So if you bought a rental for $200k, took $50k in depreciation deductions over the years, and it's worth $400k when you pass away, your heirs inherit it with a $400k basis - no recapture taxes owed on that $50k of depreciation you claimed. This is why many wealthy families focus on "buy and hold forever" strategies rather than selling and paying taxes. Just keep in mind that tax laws can change, and there have been periodic discussions about limiting or eliminating the stepped-up basis rules. But under current law, it's an incredibly powerful strategy for generational wealth building through real estate.
The stepped-up basis strategy mentioned by @Jade Lopez is fascinating, but there's an important caveat most people miss: while it's true that inherited properties get stepped-up basis, you need to consider the estate tax implications if your total estate exceeds the federal exemption ($12.92 million in 2023). For most rental property investors, this isn't an issue, but if you're accumulating significant real estate wealth, you might face estate taxes that could offset some of the stepped-up basis benefits. Also, some states have lower estate tax thresholds. That said, for typical investors with a few rental properties, the "buy and hold until death" strategy is incredibly powerful. I've seen families build generational wealth this way - the kids inherit properties worth millions with zero tax basis, then can either hold them for continued cash flow or sell immediately with minimal taxes. One more tip: if you're considering this long-term strategy, make sure your properties are titled correctly and consider setting up LLCs or trusts to protect the assets and streamline the inheritance process.
Malik Johnson
This thread has become an amazing resource! I'm currently in week 6 since my 977 code appeared, and reading everyone's experiences here has really helped manage my expectations about the timeline. One thing I wanted to add from my research: if you're checking your transcript and see a cycle code ending in "05" (like 20240505), that typically means your return is being processed in the current cycle. If it ends in "02" or "03", it might indicate additional review time needed. Also, I've found that calling the IRS early in the morning (right when they open at 7 AM) gives you the best chance of getting through without ridiculous hold times. The agents have been pretty helpful in confirming that my return is moving through normal processing channels. For those just starting this journey - the waiting is brutal, but everyone's timeline estimates here have been pretty accurate in my experience. The 971 notice really is just bureaucratic confirmation, nothing to stress about. Hang in there! πͺ
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Connor Murphy
β’This is such valuable information! I had no idea about the cycle code patterns - that's the kind of insider knowledge that makes a huge difference when you're trying to interpret what's happening with your return. I'm going to check my transcript right now to see what my cycle code ending is. The early morning calling tip is brilliant too. I've been putting off calling because I assumed it would be hours of hold time no matter when I called. 7 AM makes perfect sense - probably fewer people thinking to call that early. Thanks for sharing your week 6 update! It's really helpful to hear from someone who's further along in the process. Even though 6 weeks sounds like forever when you're waiting, it's reassuring to know things are still progressing normally at that point. This whole thread has honestly been more informative than any official IRS resource I've found. Really appreciate everyone sharing their real-world experiences and practical tips! π
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Bethany Hillbilly
β’Iβve been going through something similar myself. Filed 1/27/25. Got a notice in the mail dated 2/14/25 saying my taxes were under review for 45 days possibly 60. I looked at my transcript a few days later and saw the dreaded 570 code which Iβd never seen before. It was dated 3/3/25 so my understanding was another notice was coming and sadly I never received any additional notices and just continued to wait constantly for an update.Β I finally called them and the IRS told me I would Either receive a letter in the mail or get a deposit around 6/28/25. Well that day came and nothing was changing. I called Again and was given the number to ACQ DEPT. so i called them. I Waited on hold forever and the person I finally Spoke to said she would send a referral. She placed me on hold and when she came back on the line disconnected so I never Got anyone again.Β Move forward to October. Still nothing but a 570. No notices online or by mail. So I realized The mistake was related to my federal withholding and i took a chance of amending them 10/31/25. Lo and behold 11/4/25 I receive a letter from the IRS that I didnβt even know was coming to me before I amended my taxes and it was asking me to agree to the changes and submit it online. I went ahead and agreed to it because what they had on the letter that they wanted to adjust matched what my amended taxes showed when I did them but I started panicking and worrying j may have delayed it longer by amending it when they couldβve just adjusted it and sent them to me.Β Everything I read stated that it was okay I amended it as long as what I amended matches what the IRS was changing but I wouldβve never amended them had a known a letter was in the way to me and I wouldβve left everything alone for them to adjust it themselves. Two days ago my AS OF DATE.changed to 11/24 and I got Excited that they were finally working on them after my AS OF DATE had said 3/24/25 for so long. Now today on 11/14/25 it says 12/1/25 instead of 11/24/25 and shows code 971 and then 977 underneath the 570 code with a date of 10/31/25. I hope they see the amended return matches what they were gonna adjust so I can Get my taxes sooner but I fear itβs gonna take even longer to get them now because of the amended return. Anyone got any tips for me? Or advice?
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Andre Rousseau
Your situation is actually more common than you might think! The good news is that seeing the 971 and 977 codes appear means your amended return is now officially in their processing queue, even though the timing feels stressful. From what you've described, it sounds like the IRS was already planning to make the same adjustments that you included in your amended return. This is actually ideal - when your amendment matches what they were going to change anyway, it typically speeds up processing rather than delays it. The system essentially confirms "yes, the taxpayer caught the same issue we found" and moves forward. A few things to keep in mind: - Your "as of" date updating from 3/24 to 11/24 and now 12/1 is a very good sign that active work is happening - The 971 code with today's date means they're generating a notice, likely confirming receipt of your amendment - Since you agreed to their proposed changes AND filed an amendment that matches, you're probably looking at the faster end of processing times I'd expect to see movement within 8-12 weeks from your 10/31 amendment date, so potentially late January to mid-February. The fact that both the IRS adjustment and your amendment align should actually streamline things rather than complicate them. Keep monitoring that "as of" date - as long as it keeps moving forward every few weeks, you're on track. You did the right thing by amending to match their proposed changes!
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Ali Anderson
β’This is really reassuring to hear! I'm new to dealing with amended returns and was worried that filing an amendment when the IRS was already planning adjustments would create some kind of conflict in their system. The explanation about the system confirming "yes, the taxpayer caught the same issue we found" makes so much sense - I hadn't thought about it that way. It's encouraging that when the amendment matches their proposed changes, it actually helps rather than hurts the timeline. @Bethany Hillbilly - your situation gives me hope for my own case! I m'dealing with a similar withholding issue that I caught after filing, and I ve'been debating whether to amend or wait to see if they catch it themselves. Based on your experience and Andre s'explanation, it sounds like being proactive with the amendment when you know there s'an issue is actually the right move. The fact that your as "of date" is moving regularly is such a good sign. I ve'learned from this thread that those date updates are really the best indicator that progress is happening behind the scenes, even when everything else looks static. Thanks for sharing your experience - it s'helping those of us newer to this process understand what to expect!
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